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There is error in the theory of Louisiana.
The impetus to cede the French colony of Louisiana to the Spanish was the long, expensive conflict of the French and Indian War, also known as the Seven Year’s War, between France and Great Britain. Initially, France offered Louisiana to Spain in order to bring Spain into the conflict on the French side. Spain declined. Spanish officials were uncertain about what exactly constituted the vague and immense colony of Louisiana. When the "Family Compact," a supposedly secret alliance between France and Spain, became known to the British, they attacked Spain. In November 1762 in the secret Treaty of Fontainebleau, France handed over Louisiana and the Isle of Orleans to Spain in order to "sweeten the bitter medicine of Spanish defeat and to persuade them not to fight on" against the British.
The cession of Louisiana was kept secret for over a year. France feared that Louisiana would become British. As a result, France sought to preempt any actions that Britain would undertake if it became known that Louisiana no longer enjoyed French protection before the Spanish were able to occupy and defend it. Great Britain officially conceded Spanish ownership of Louisiana in February 1763 in one of the series of treaties ending the French and Indian War. This gesture was a mere formality, for the territory had been in Spanish hands for almost three months.
Louisiana citizens loyal to the French Crown held a convention in New Orleans on October 29, 1768, to air their grievances against Spanish authority. They formally petitioned the Superior Council to reinstate the colony’s former status and force Ulloa’s departure. The Superior Council issued a decree ordering the expulsion of the Spanish governor and drafted a memorandum to present to the French minister of foreign affairs petitioning for the restoration of French rule, all to no avail. Spain, unwilling to countenance such a revolt, responded with force.
The crown discharged a fleet of 24 ships and 2,000 troops under the command of General Alexandre O’Reilly, who took possession of Louisiana on August 18, 1769. O’Reilly quickly arrested, tried, and convicted the leaders of the rebellion of treason, executing 12 men, sentencing others to lengthy prison terms, and confiscating the properties of all.
O’Reilly also established a series of reforms designed to reassert Spanish authority. In December 1769 he abolished the Superior Council and replaced it with the Cabildo. The Cabildo was a form of municipal government common throughout Spanish America–a city council of 10 members presided over by a governor.
Louisiana: European Explorations and the Louisiana Purchase - Louisiana as a Spanish Colony (American Memory from the Library of Congress)
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Louisiana was returned to the French for only 1 year before selling it to the United States during which time the negotiations were in motion. The French promised Spain that they would keep it, and weeks later were in negotiation for the sale to the United States. In 1803 the sale was finalized.

The Treaty of Madrid, 21 March 1801, Spain returned to France the territory of Louisiana which France had ceded to Spain in 1763. "Let the Court of Madrid cede these districts to France," Talleyrand had written, "and from that moment the power of America is bounded by the limit which it may suit the interests and the tranquillity of France and Spain to assign here. The French Republic... will be the wall of brass forever impenetrable to the combined efforts of England and America." Spain was compensated by the creation in Tuscany of the kingdom of Etruria, which was given to the duke of Parma, son-in-law of Charles IV of Spain.
Treaty of San Ildefonso 1800
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France acquired Louisiana from Spain and took possession in 1802, sending a large French army to St. Domingue and preparing to send another to New Orleans. Westerners became very apprehensive about having the more-powerful French in control of New Orleans; President Thomas Jefferson noted,
“There is on the globe one single spot, the possessor of which is our natural and habitual enemy. It is New Orleans.”
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/louisiana-purchase
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suggested reading
General James Wilkinson an Artist in Treason.
https://books.google.com/books?id=E...q=General Wilkinson expert in treason&f=false
 

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ECS said:
Captain of the Canton Co's ship Torpedo, Mathew Sherman,was connected to the Bolivar Peninsula?
Now Capt James Campbell was one of Lafitte's privateers, and had a connexion .
Dominick Augustus Hall was district attorney of New Orleans, and convinced Andrew Jackson to accept Lafitte and his men to fight the British at the Battle of New Orleans.Hall also pushed the US government to pardon Lafitte for his various crimes for his service to the US in that War.
Lafitte sold out Long to the Spanish-so what is the Beale connexion with dropping Long's name into the mix?
Its like you are playing 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon with everyone who lived during the "Beale event"period.
This person is related to his person who was a Bonapartist who talked to someone in New Orleans who claimed he knew this guy who...and it goes on and on and on with no true resolution, just speculation.
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If you say so, but you still have a lot of research ahead of you before you'll be able to connect a lot of what's being explained here. Problem is this, you can keep attacking the theory but until you you can launch reasonable explanation against those date comparisons correlating precisely with the dates of deposits and Beale's visit with Morriss, and the author's use of the word connexions at that very critical moment, then you're just throwing to the wind. What you're demanding is a conclusive clear text of those ciphers as this is going to be the only thing to ever convince anyone. Sorry, I can't give you that, but I did just tonight send out a request that a new program be written so I can start working on those ciphers again. So now armed with a lot more information, maybe in time I'll be able to give you what you require? But until then, you have a lot of time to really dive into your research of the topic if you so desire. :thumbsup:
 

bigscoop said:
... Problem is this, you can keep attacking the theory but until you you can launch reasonable explanation against those date comparisons correlating precisely with the dates of deposits and Beale's visit with Morriss, and the author's use of the word connexions at that very critical moment, then you're just throwing to the wind...
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The premise of your theory is that the 1885 Beale Papers is a literary allegory involving not the story contained in the pamphlet, but an entirely different story that revolves around Jean Lafitte and Virginia Bonaparte sympathizers.
If that is the case, then the dates of the deposits, Beale meeting with Morriss, the ciphers, are constructs of the "unknown author", therefore making the entire story contained in the pamphlet, suspect.
It is easy to fit layered research into a theory, but a lot harder to prove it true.
 

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Good point, the Monroe Doctrine did crush things, but only if they were of foreign nation, which some were.
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It was the gift that kept on giving. In 1845, President James K. Polk provided John C. Calhoun, at the time one of the nation's stellar realists, an opportunity to read the country a lesson on the Monroe Doctrine. During the summer of 1845, the president received reports of British designs on California. In June, François Guizot, in a speech before the French Chamber of Deputies, claimed a European interest in preserving "the balance of the Great Powers among which America is divided." In his December message to Congress, Polk, under pressure from American expansionists, repeated Monroe's declaration on noncolonization. On 14 January 1846, Senator William Allen of Ohio, chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, introduced a resolution designed to commit Congress to the principles of the Monroe Doctrine as repeated by the president. Senator Lewis Cass of Michigan led the enthusiastic response of Democratic expansionists.

Read more: The monroe doctrine - Realism and Idealism

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L.C. BAKER said:
It was the gift that kept on giving. In 1845, President James K. Polk provided John C. Calhoun, at the time one of the nation's stellar realists, an opportunity to read the country a lesson on the Monroe Doctrine. During the summer of 1845, the president received reports of British designs on California. In June, François Guizot, in a speech before the French Chamber of Deputies, claimed a European interest in preserving "the balance of the Great Powers among which America is divided." In his December message to Congress, Polk, under pressure from American expansionists, repeated Monroe's declaration on noncolonization. On 14 January 1846, Senator William Allen of Ohio, chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, introduced a resolution designed to commit Congress to the principles of the Monroe Doctrine as repeated by the president. Senator Lewis Cass of Michigan led the enthusiastic response of Democratic expansionists.

Read more: The monroe doctrine - Realism and Idealism

L.C.
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L.C., your "hero", L. Cass was involved...
 

ECS said:
The premise of your theory is that the 1885 Beale Papers is a literary allegory involving not the story contained in the pamphlet, but an entirely different story that revolves around Jean Lafitte and Virginia Bonaparte sympathizers.
If that is the case, then the dates of the deposits, Beale meeting with Morriss, the ciphers, are constructs of the "unknown author", therefore making the entire story contained in the pamphlet, suspect.
It is easy to fit layered research into a theory, but a lot harder to prove it true.
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They're definitely intentional, designed "constructs" by the unknown author, that's for sure, as was connexions. At least you agree on that much.
 

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Rebel - KGC said:
L.C., your "hero", L. Cass was involved...
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Yes indeed he was. You should read some of the personal correspondence if you get the chance. He was a K.G.C. King Pen. As much as I would like to say so was Andrew Jackson....he so far is only guilty by association and his actions supporting the K.G.C. operations. It is not clear if he was aware, so I can't say he was one of them with 100% confidence. However I am at 99%.:thumbsup:
 

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