The Secret Cipher Within Page Two of The Beale Cipers

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...and Crytography and Masterpoe are probably the same person and are possibly used as proxies for Jean Laf.
There is just far too many coincidences in their various posts and their constant insults aimed at fellow TN members.
 

ECS said:
...and Crytography and Masterpoe are probably the same person and are possibly used as proxies for Jean Laf.
There is just far too many coincidences in their various posts and their constant insults aimed at fellow TN members.
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As a group of associates they're just frustrated at the many contrary details and cold hard facts that exist in the original narration that they've overlooked, and I've not even pointed out the really conclusive stuff yet. Like I said, it's a shame really, all of that other fact being completely ignored in favor of wag. :dontknow:
 

At whom is this current rash of insults directed?
Is this all you have to bring forth in this discussion?
Really?
 

ECS said:
At whom is this current rash of insults directed?
Is this all you have to bring forth in this discussion?
Really?
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Not talking about you!

Your so vane, you probably think this song is a about you.......
 

bigscoop said:
Here's what you guys just are not getting, or completely denying;
Your entire premise is based on the opinion that the story holds truth, and yet you continue to pick and choose at convenient random selection what parts of the story hold that measure of truth. Per example, if the story holds truth then how do you explain away the following directly from the author:
"That they would attach no importance to a seemingly unintelligible writing seems quite natural; but their attention being called to them by the publication of this narrative, may result in eventually bringing to light the missing paper."

This is directly from your source of truth, and that voice of truth has just informed you that you still require a missing paper that will appear to be a seemingly unintelligible writing. The reason you avoid this is because this statement of proposed truth leaves you with a vital but complete unknown, a writing that you could hold in your very hand and never know that you had it. And yet your author, your voice of truth, has unquestionably just told you that you MUST possess it in order find remedy. Do any of you possess it? No! Oh, or is this portion of the tale one of those selected portions that isn't true?

So we don't have this missing paper that the voice of truth says we require, however, we have managed to find a wide variety of remedies without it...
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This "missing paper" is another DISCLAIMER telling the unwary reader NOT to neglect his legitimate business endeavours on a "game worth the candle" ciphers for fictional treasure story.
Even with the obvious disclaimers and deliberate discrepancies in the narrative text of the Beale Papers, the plausible ambiguous mentions of names, locations, and questionable facts, the game is still played to the end, and for some, the game never ends.
 

...and there will always be another candle for striking another match for more light! :occasion15:
Or sometimes a 100 watt bulb will do. :lightbulb:
LOL! :laughing1:
 

bigscoop said:
The minute you support these highly speculative claims then you must also endorse any similar highly speculative claims, even those that are in direct conflict with your own. This is what you are establishing as being acceptable evidences, "whatever anyone can create that appears to workout." This is what you are establishing when you make highly speculative claims out to be cold hard facts. You are endorsing all such claims of similar, or even entirely different, nature...
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The 1885 Beale Papers contain just enough information to make appear "real" at first glance, but when, and many here have done so, research outside of the job print pamphlet story, realize there exists NO supporting facts outside of this story.
Yes, names of actual persons and places are mentioned, but only serve as window dressing to create the illusion of believability, plausible facts.
Then there is the matter of the "undelivered letter" which Claudia Fulton Ellis wrote a book around based on clairvoyance, not far removed from the Hart's medium revelation. The ambiguity of the provided storyline leaves it wide open to embellish and speculate additional "fill in the blanks" questionable facts and arcane secrets in the ciphers.
It is easy to take a portion of the Beale perilous adventure story and build an alternative history around it, but no one has ever been able to produce a documented bit of proof that can confirm anything in the 1885 Beale Papers as actually ever happening.
The "missing paper" mentioned in the narrative test is ripe for a book concerning its "discovery" leading to another C1 & C3 claimed "solution.
...But as always,it comes down to could be, maybe speculation- NO EVIDENCE REQUIRED.
 

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ECS said:
The 1885 Beale Papers contain just enough information to make appear "real" at first glance, but when, and many here have done so, research outside of the job print pamphlet story, realize there exists NO supporting facts outside of this story.
Yes, names of actual persons and places are mentioned, but only serve as window dressing to create the illusion of believability, plausible facts.
Then there is the matter of the "undelivered letter" which Claudia Fulton Ellis wrote a book around based on clairvoyance, not far removed from the Hart's medium revelation. The ambiguity of the provided storyline leaves it wide open to embellish and speculate additional "fill in the blanks" questionable facts and arcane secrets in the ciphers.
It is easy to take a portion of the Beale perilous adventure story and build an alternative history around it, but no one has ever been able to produce a documented bit of proof that can confirm anything in the 1885 Beale Papers as actually ever happening.
The "missing paper" mentioned in the narrative test is ripe for a book concerning its "discovery" leading to another C1 & C3 claimed "solution.
...But as always,it comes down to could be, maybe speculation- NO EVIDENCE REQUIRED.
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I agree with old silver, the pamphlet was just a way to smoke out the guy with the paper that had the key! Of course the key was lost in that flood in 1826.
 

masterpoe said:
I agree with old silver, the pamphlet was just a way to smoke out the guy with the paper that had the key! Of course the key was lost in that flood in 1826.
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Thank you for making my point- the "key" letter was lost in the 1826 is one after the story speculation that lacks evidence, Claudine Fulton Ellis has a totally different version of what became of this "key" letter, and there are lesser known maybes concerning this "key" letter- all I might add without any documented proof beyond one's imagination.
 

bigscoop said:
The minute you support these highly speculative claims then you must also endorse any similar highly speculative claims, even those that are in direct conflict with your own. This is what you are establishing as being acceptable evidences, "whatever anyone can create that appears to workout." This is what you are establishing when you make highly speculative claims out to be cold hard facts. You are endorsing all such claims of similar, or even entirely different, nature...
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Secret ciphers within and other endorsed claims with documented evidence or provenance is pure speculation, and far too many additional Beale story books are that, fictional speculation.
 

ECS said:
Thank you for making my point- the "key" letter was lost in the 1826 is one after the story speculation that lacks evidence, Claudine Fulton Ellis has a totally different version of what became of this "key" letter, and there are lesser known maybes concerning this "key" letter- all I might add without any documented proof beyond one's imagination.
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Confused again I see!
 

ECS said:
Why do you continuously bait other TN posters into bickering situations?
I do find that confusing as it adds nothing constructive to the Beale conversation.
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Well thanks you and you have a Good Thanksgiving too!
 

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