The Secret Cipher Within Page Two of The Beale Cipers

[ECS]

I knew when I alluded to a location other than Virginia, I would get flamed. It is time to look elsewhere...

If one was meant to look elsewhere Ward would not have mentioned in the title used for copyright, "near Buford's, in Bedford county, Virginia".
First and foremost, the Beale Papers are a Virginia treasure story.

 

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[bigscoop]

If one was meant to look elsewhere Ward would not have mentioned in the title used for copyright, "near Buford's, in Bedford county, Virginia".
First and foremost, the Beale Papers are a Virginia treasure story.

ECS, this is exactly what I've been pointing out. Because folks can find absolutely no provenance in tale then they just eagerly assume that the treasure aspect must therefore be true. Do they never ask themselves, "Why would it be if nothing else in the tale, including the part about the treasure, has any provenance?"

If we apply this same flawed logic and sense of reason to every treasure tale ever put on paper then they too must all be about real treasures. So do these folks simply believe that all of these tales are about real treasures? Apparently.

 

[Bumbalawski]

Something you guys are missing. Page two does not specify Virginia, just Bedford County and four miles from Buford's tavern. I am sure there were more than one Buford's Taverns back in those days. And the reference to Bedford County Virginia is made on the preface, not the actual page two. This was most likely an assumption since Ward was from Virginia. It is time to look elsewhere. Or you can keep looking in Virginia for something that does not exist there.

 

[ECS]

What makes you believe that the Beale treasure of the pamphlet actually exists outside of the story?
PS, you have read the full title that specifies BEDFORD COUNTY, VIRGINIA?

 

[masterpoe]

Great news for everyone in the Beale world. The secret cipher has been found within page two of the ciphers. This secret cipher will make two decipherments from one cipher. How is this possible? The information is out there just search!

You are referring to Mr JLP's YouTube video?

 

[bigscoop]

Something you guys are missing. Page two does not specify Virginia, just Bedford County and four miles from Buford's tavern. I am sure there were more than one Buford's Taverns back in those days. And the reference to Bedford County Virginia is made on the preface, not the actual page two. This was most likely an assumption since Ward was from Virginia. It is time to look elsewhere. Or you can keep looking in Virginia for something that does not exist there.

Or doesn't exist anywhere? Look, before we can go looking for a physical treasure one first has to establish that such a treasure ever existed at all and in order to do this one must first find provenance in the tale. It's that simple, really. Problem is, to date not one shred of this provenance has ever been discovered outside of the original tale that is filled with inaccuracies and deceptions and otherwise complete unknowns from an unreliable author. And yet people are still looking for this alleged treasure everywhere and anywhere simply on unknown author's promise that it must still exist, "somewhere" or "anywhere."

I mean, even if the story was a true account there is no guarantee that Morriss never received the key simply because his services were never required, the alleged treasure having already been recovered and dolled out to those deserving. So all of these treasure hunts are simply completely adventures.

 

[ECS]

Something you guys are missing. Page two does not specify Virginia, just Bedford County and four miles from Buford's tavern. I am sure there were more than one Buford's Taverns back in those days. And the reference to Bedford County Virginia is made on the preface, not the actual page two. This was most likely an assumption since Ward was from Virginia. It is time to look elsewhere. Or you can keep looking in Virginia for something that does not exist there.

...or to keep looking for something that only existed in the pages of an ephemeral dime novel pamphlet.

 

[masterpoe]

Great news for everyone in the Beale world. The secret cipher has been found within page two of the ciphers. This secret cipher will make two decipherments from one cipher. How is this possible? The information is out there just search!

This would be a good response to why there is a custom key to the Page 2 that was deciphered by the unown author. If the primary message was the secondary ciphers that needed to be without errors it would make sense that there would be no reason to have a perfect top cipher!

 

[bigscoop]

Completely random numbers, complete unknowns: They can say anything you want them to say....

71, 194, 38, 1701, 89, 76, 11, 83, 1629, 48, 94, 63, 132, 16, 111, 95, 84, 341, 975, 14, 40, 64, 27, 81, 139, 213, 63, 90, 1120, 8, 15, 3, 126, 2018, 40, 74, 758, 485, 604, 230, 436, 664, 582, 150, 251, 284, 308, 231, 124, 211, 486, 225, 401, 370, 11, 101, 305, 139, 189, 17, 33, 88, 208, 193, 145, 1, 94, 73, 416, 918, 263, 28, 500, 538, 356, 117, 136, 219, 27, 176, 130, 10, 460, 25, 485, 18, 436, 65, 84, 200, 283, 118, 320, 138, 36, 416, 280, 15, 71, 224, 961, 44, 16, 401, 39, 88, 61, 304, 12, 21, 24, 283, 134, 92, 63, 246, 486, 682, 7, 219, 184, 360, 780, 18, 64, 463, 474, 131, 160, 79, 73, 440, 95, 18, 64, 581, 34, 69, 128, 367, 460, 17, 81, 12, 103, 820, 62, 116, 97, 103, 862, 70, 60, 1317, 471, 540, 208, 121, 890, 346, 36, 150, 59, 568, 614, 13, 120, 63, 219, 812, 2160, 1780, 99, 35, 18, 21, 136, 872, 15, 28, 170, 88, 4, 30, 44, 112, 18, 147, 436, 195, 320, 37, 122, 113, 6, 140, 8, 120, 305, 42, 58, 461, 44, 106, 301, 13, 408, 680, 93, 86, 116, 530, 82, 568, 9, 102, 38, 416, 89, 71, 216, 728, 965, 818, 2, 38, 121, 195, 14, 326, 148, 234, 18, 55, 131, 234, 361, 824, 5, 81, 623, 48, 961, 19, 26, 33, 10, 1101, 365, 92, 88, 181, 275, 346, 201, 206, 86, 36, 219, 324, 829, 840, 64, 326, 19, 48, 122, 85, 216, 284, 919, 861, 326, 985, 233, 64, 68, 232, 431, 960, 50, 29, 81, 216, 321, 603, 14, 612, 81, 360, 36, 51, 62, 194, 78, 60, 200, 314, 676, 112, 4, 28, 18, 61, 136, 247, 819, 921, 1060, 464, 895, 10, 6, 66, 119, 38, 41, 49, 602, 423, 962, 302, 294, 875, 78, 14, 23, 111, 109, 62, 31, 501, 823, 216, 280, 34, 24, 150, 1000, 162, 286, 19, 21, 17, 340, 19, 242, 31, 86, 234, 140, 607, 115, 33, 191, 67, 104, 86, 52, 88, 16, 80, 121, 67, 95, 122, 216, 548, 96, 11, 201, 77, 364, 218, 65, 667, 890, 236, 154, 211, 10, 98, 34, 119, 56, 216, 119, 71, 218, 1164, 1496, 1817, 51, 39, 210, 36, 3, 19, 540, 232, 22, 141, 617, 84, 290, 80, 46, 207, 411, 150, 29, 38, 46, 172, 85, 194, 39, 261, 543, 897, 624, 18, 212, 416, 127, 931, 19, 4, 63, 96, 12, 101, 418, 16, 140, 230, 460, 538, 19, 27, 88, 612, 1431, 90, 716, 275, 74, 83, 11, 426, 89, 72, 84, 1300, 1706, 814, 221, 132, 40, 102, 34, 868, 975, 1101, 84, 16, 79, 23, 16, 81, 122, 324, 403, 912, 227, 936, 447, 55, 86, 34, 43, 212, 107, 96, 314, 264, 1065, 323, 428, 601, 203, 124, 95, 216, 814, 2906, 654, 820, 2, 301, 112, 176, 213, 71, 87, 96, 202, 35, 10, 2, 41, 17, 84, 221, 736, 820, 214, 11, 60, 760

 

[bigscoop]

The "secret cipher" within C2 was apparently so secret that the original coder didn't even know that it existed.

 

[Cryptography]

The "secret cipher" within C2 was apparently so secret that the original coder didn't even know that it existed.

Problem is the original coder did know, just not the author who found the first decoding of page 2. The unknown author had no idea about what was just under his decoding and proves that the author of the manuscript had no idea about the second cipher in page 2.

 

[franklin]

There may be a whole book written in there if you can find enough missing codes within C2. I can't wait to hear what is written in C1 & C3 maybe "War and Peace?"

 

[ECS]

Problem is the original coder did know, just not the author who found the first decoding of page 2. The unknown author had no idea about what was just under his decoding and proves that the author of the manuscript had no idea about the second cipher in page 2.

Who was the "original coder"?
The Thomas J Beale character of the Beale Papers has never been established as existing outside of the job print pamphlet pages.

 

[bigscoop]

Problem is the original coder did know, just not the author who found the first decoding of page 2. The unknown author had no idea about what was just under his decoding and proves that the author of the manuscript had no idea about the second cipher in page 2.

The minute you support these highly speculative claims then you must also endorse any similar highly speculative claims, even those that are in direct conflict with your own. This is what you are establishing as being acceptable evidences, "whatever anyone can create that appears to workout." This is what you are establishing when you make highly speculative claims out to be cold hard facts. You are endorsing all such claims of similar, or even entirely different, nature. You just did this, yet again...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A "SMACK-DOWN"!

 

[Cryptography]

The minute you support these highly speculative claims then you must also endorse any similar highly speculative claims, even those that are in direct conflict with your own. This is what you are establishing as being acceptable evidences, "whatever anyone can create that appears to workout." This is what you are establishing when you make highly speculative claims out to be cold hard facts. You are endorsing all such claims of similar, or even entirely different, nature. You just did this, yet again...

How moronic is that statement! From someone who wasted there life on the Beale Papers, Bigfoot and UFO's.

 

[Cryptography]

There may be a whole book written in there if you can find enough missing codes within C2. I can't wait to hear what is written in C1 & C3 maybe "War and Peace?"

Good one Frank!

 

[bigscoop]

How moronic is that statement! From someone who wasted there life on the Beale Papers, Bigfoot and UFO's.

Actually, there you go again, just can't seem to ever deal in facts. Anyone who knows me is fully aware that I've always felt only folks like you would believe in such man made manufactured fantasies, and you do quite well at supporting that opinion. "Secret cipher within C2"............you clearly have absolutely not a clue what you're doing. You're just making it all up as you go, whatever works for you.

 

[bigscoop]

Good one Frank!

Ah, I think you're missing Franklin's real point there, mate......but yes, it's still very profound, indeed.

 

[masterpoe]

Actually, there you go again, just can't seem to ever deal in facts. Anyone who knows me is fully aware that I've always felt only folks like you would believe in such man made manufactured fantasies, and you do quite well at supporting that opinion. "Secret cipher within C2"............you clearly have absolutely not a clue what you're doing. You're just making it all up as you go, whatever works for you.

You must not have seen the video. How can you say something about what you have never seen! Wow!