The San Jose galeon and Spains claim

[old man]

ARRC, I did read your posts. I also read about the San Jose on Wikipedia. They claim the ship blew up with only 11 survivors.

I know I'm old, but I wasn't there. I guess we'll just have to wait for video evidence from who ever is salvaging it to see what shape it is in.

 

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[AUVnav]

Show me one case where Spain used gov't monies to recover a wreck.

The Mercedes....

War Grave my butt. It was blown to Kingdom Come.

There are plenty of wrecksites that were blown up in war. Surface vessels, subsurface vessels, and aircraft. Sailors had a particular affinity for being buried at sea. Look at the surviving sailors who have chosen to be interned with their shipmates on the USS Arizona. Here is a clue for you, I am certain you can take your metal detector to Arlington and root up a few gold teeth. There is always the Bismark.

but I like my sites to be divable!

Try an atmospheric suit, I have been down to 2500 feet on a recovery...

 

[ARC]

"Try an atmospheric suit, I have been down to 2500 feet on a recovery"

Ehhhh ? Are you serious ? ? ? wow.

~~ARRC hands the "big balls" trophy to AU if this is true.~~~

 

[Black Duck]

AUV What project was it and what ( who's) suit did you use ?

The Mercedes....



There are plenty of wrecksites that were blown up in war. Surface vessels, subsurface vessels, and aircraft. Sailors had a particular affinity for being buried at sea. Look at the surviving sailors who have chosen to be interned with their shipmates on the USS Arizona. Here is a clue for you, I am certain you can take your metal detector to Arlington and root up a few gold teeth. There is always the Bismark.



Try an atmospheric suit, I have been down to 2500 feet on a recovery...

 

[Darren in NC]

The Mercedes

Nah. A bit late in the game to use that one. We're talking before the era of James Goold.

I, too, am interested in knowing what suit you used, and on what project.

 

[enrada]

This should be a wake up call to all countries that signed on to the UNESCO law. Any country that has Spanish shipwrecks in its territorial waters should instantly withdraw their signatory to this law if they don’t want to have Spain try to take it all away from them. Why do you think the US never signed this UNESCO law? If Spain is so worried about its shipwrecks why don’t they claim all of their wrecks with tons of mercury on board that would have been used to mine the gold and silver. The mercury has turned into methyl mercury and gotten into the food chain in the ocean. Spain would try to call anybody who salvages a shipwreck looters. One can only call Spain plunderers of civilizations and polluters of the ocean. Don’t they have any shame?

 

[MPH200]

The ADS 2000 was developed jointly with OceanWorks International and the US Navy in 1997,[18] as an evolution of the Newtsuit to meet US Navy requirements. The ADS2000 provides increased depth capability for the US Navy's Submarine Rescue Program. Manufactured from forged T6061 aluminum alloy it uses an advanced articulating joint design based on the Newtsuit joints. Capable of operating in up to 2,000 feet (610 m) of seawater for a normal mission of up to six hours it has a self-contained, automatic life support system.[19] Additionally, the integrated dual thruster system allows the pilot to navigate easily underwater. It became fully operational and certified by the US Navy off southern California on August 1, 2006, when Chief Navy Diver Daniel Jackson submerged to 2,000 feet (610 m).[

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Jolly mon 2nd request, please stop insulting members.

 

[AUVnav]

It became fully operational and certified by the US Navy off southern California on August 1, 2006, when Chief Navy Diver Daniel Jackson submerged to 2,000 feet (610 m).

There have been many technological advances in materials since 2006.
Systems were, and are, based on a static or rigid resistance system that had to withstand the pressure at depth. The ADS2000, commercial version is rated to 365m while the Navy version is rated to 610m, these suits were constructed from cast and milled aluminum, thick enough to withstand the depths, the joints were the main failure point of the system.

ADS III and ADS IV, use GRP and composite wrappings for even greater strength. ADS IV combines saturation diving with a more dynamic suit configuration to provide the greater depth and bottom time required for some operations.

The dynamic solution, under development, is far more workable, without simply adding thickness to the shell to withstand the pressure. The military and industry have significant experience in the design of multiple multi-layered structures. Saturation diving certainly extends the depth and bottom time available.

Navies around the world use hardsuits for sub rescue ops for years. The ability to dive and repair subsea telecommunications cables, without bringing the cable to the surface has significant funding.

This should be a wake up call to all countries that signed on to the UNESCO law. Any country that has Spanish shipwrecks in its territorial waters should instantly withdraw their signatory to this law if they don’t want to have Spain try to take it all away from them. Why do you think the US never signed this UNESCO law?

The US never signed because of the Space Shuttle, plain and simple.

In the grand scheme of things, do you really think that any countries really care if Spain lays claim to the sunken ships located in their respective waters? Virtually all will say, okay, this is yours, come and get it, just as the country would expect Spain to do the same for a sunken vessel in Spains waters.

Time to evolve or become a casualty of evolution.

Jolly mon 2nd request, please stop insulting members.

This appears to be far more than the second request, especially when having to edit posts...

 

[Au_Dreamers]

AUV What project was it and what ( who's) suit did you use ?

I think he's implying he bought a commercial suit (maybe with all the money he's made shorting OMEX) and did a secret project.

 

[Smithbrown]

Update on the San José
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/colombia/article81647857.html

 

[Darren in NC]

Spanish Justice Minister Rafael Catalá Polo said, “If we leave it where it is, in 50 years our grandchildren can visit that cultural heritage that belongs to everyone.”

Because we all know that is what grandchildren do so often today.

 

[enrada]

Does Spain feel that if they can't have it all, they don't want anybody to have it.
OR
Has Spain finally become ashamed of the plundering of civilizations that they carried and would rather not have people see the treasure that they stole from South American cultures?

 

[enrada]

By the way.
Don't bother buying "The Treasure of the San Jose" written by Carla Phillips. Very little about the San Jose. Over 70 pages of the book before she gets to the shipwreck. Mostly about Spanish government corruption and multi repeats about dollar valuation.

 

[Go!d&$ilver]

Haha. I would need the treasure to buy a submarine to go get the treasure.

 

[Blak bart]

Wow I read the whole thread. I almost wanted to make a comment but I got scared. Think im just gonna get my mask snorkel and metal detector and digg up some silver and gold.
See ya guys.

 

[Jolly Mon]

There have been many technological advances in materials since 2006.
Systems were, and are, based on a static or rigid resistance system that had to withstand the pressure at depth. The ADS2000, commercial version is rated to 365m while the Navy version is rated to 610m, these suits were constructed from cast and milled aluminum, thick enough to withstand the depths, the joints were the main failure point of the system.

ADS III and ADS IV, use GRP and composite wrappings for even greater strength. ADS IV combines saturation diving with a more dynamic suit configuration to provide the greater depth and bottom time required for some operations.

The dynamic solution, under development, is far more workable, without simply adding thickness to the shell to withstand the pressure. The military and industry have significant experience in the design of multiple multi-layered structures. Saturation diving certainly extends the depth and bottom time available.

Navies around the world use hardsuits for sub rescue ops for years. The ability to dive and repair subsea telecommunications cables, without bringing the cable to the surface has significant funding.



The US never signed because of the Space Shuttle, plain and simple.

In the grand scheme of things, do you really think that any countries really care if Spain lays claim to the sunken ships located in their respective waters? Virtually all will say, okay, this is yours, come and get it, just as the country would expect Spain to do the same for a sunken vessel in Spains waters.

Time to evolve or become a casualty of evolution.

Hmm...