The San Jose galeon and Spains claim
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President Juan Manuel Santos -
"There are a lot of owners who are now popping up.
No sir, this is the Colombian people’s cultural heritage”
"There are a lot of owners who are now popping up.
No sir, this is the Colombian people’s cultural heritage”
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"Colombia is not a signatory of the 2001 UNESCO treaty that recognizes ownership of sunken ships at sea to the country of the vessels’ origin. The Bogota government also does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice at The Hague."
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And Like I have previously stated...
This wreck was found 30 years ago.
And will also be pursued by the party who found it originally.
This wreck was found 30 years ago.
And will also be pursued by the party who found it originally.
Too bad Spain just helped (a lot!) Colombian citizens to have a no-visa-required entry into Schengen space... oh, well... priviledges come and go...
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Spain Spain Spain...and future salvage efforts.
How about this proposal? Sounds fair to me? Thoughts?
How about this...any wrecks, wrecksites....that Spain intends to lay claim to or may have future claim to, if they can prove they are indeed Espanola at the time of sinking...would be allowed the following listed below. Based from actual tax of time period.
Pre 1723 Vessels - Spain can lay claim to 1/5th of the manifest, excluding any private individuals items, belongings, who may have sailed on such vessel at the time of loss.
Any vessel lost after 1723- Spain would be allowed 10% of such manifest items, excluding all private individuals and such manifest articles of such, on said vessels.
I see this most fair...for Spain at the time indeed incur costs for supplying such vessels and bountiful voyages in search of and obtaining treasures, I will give them that much.
But that's all. 20% before 1723 shipwrecks...10% for wrecks after 1723. That's what the tax was back then anyways. Correct?
This wreck will be interesting on how it goes thru the "legal" system(s)
I almost forgot to add this. Spain would be have to incur fair share of costs incurred from salvage of such vessels. Reason, they are to l*!#! to do it for themselves.
Scott
How about this proposal? Sounds fair to me? Thoughts?
How about this...any wrecks, wrecksites....that Spain intends to lay claim to or may have future claim to, if they can prove they are indeed Espanola at the time of sinking...would be allowed the following listed below. Based from actual tax of time period.
Pre 1723 Vessels - Spain can lay claim to 1/5th of the manifest, excluding any private individuals items, belongings, who may have sailed on such vessel at the time of loss.
Any vessel lost after 1723- Spain would be allowed 10% of such manifest items, excluding all private individuals and such manifest articles of such, on said vessels.
I see this most fair...for Spain at the time indeed incur costs for supplying such vessels and bountiful voyages in search of and obtaining treasures, I will give them that much.
But that's all. 20% before 1723 shipwrecks...10% for wrecks after 1723. That's what the tax was back then anyways. Correct?
This wreck will be interesting on how it goes thru the "legal" system(s)
I almost forgot to add this. Spain would be have to incur fair share of costs incurred from salvage of such vessels. Reason, they are to l*!#! to do it for themselves.
Scott
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old man
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I would lay odds that Spain is in for a Big Surprise and it isn't going to be Treasure.
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Scott I would say that Spain get zero because they know where the ships sank from their records and the fact that they waited over 300 years to claim them. They are ABANDONED and whoever finds them are entitled to the spoils!
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Hola Finn
Treasure hunters keep making statements about Spain's greed and its " Economic " Can anybody tell me when Spain has sold any of its recovered wrecks
The best example is the Mercedes , not one coin SOLD ! They currently have a exhibition traveling around Spain, currently in Cadiz .
So how can it be Economic
It will end up in museum ,Just like the Mercedes . And I guarantee if Colombia works with Spain, Spain will recover it with archaeologist's from both countries
Not one coin sold, you say. That is probably true. Instead of selling coins, the gold is credited to Central Bank gold reserve. There it adds to banks liquidity.
It's basically the same thing as when those precious metal artifacts from pre colonial cultures in South America were melted and struck to coins and introduced to state monetary system. Now these coins are not re melted but they will become paper gold.
Basic economics
Salud
Finn
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Stanislav M
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This spanish politics, how politics gangsters. Not spend money on hunting for old spanish ships, take when other find ships. get treasure free
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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Finn , what a load off Bu----st , it cost Spain lots off Euros to return the Mercedes coins . I was at the Madrid Museum and you only have give a donation if you wanted too Spain does not sell its heritage !!!! It save it, so every body can see it ! Spain is happy for all its wrecks to be put in Museum's , Just don't try and sell them on eBay !!! Salud Finn
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aquanut
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For those of you that don't know or can't spell, a little background...
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I doubt you'll find very many wild-eyed treasure hunters who care to be grammar nazis. 
aquanut
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I doubt you'll find very many wild-eyed treasure hunters who care to be grammar nazis.
Don't accuse me of that Darren. This was a history lesson for all those out there that might give a damn. Personally, I could care less.
John
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It wasn't directed at your post, John, but Panfilo's, though it could apply to yours as well. My tone was joking, and somewhat snobbish as I tend to be a stickler on grammar myself. Sorry. Once again, the lack of tone and facial expression on internet posts fails to communicate the intent.
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Agreed... that is also why... TEXTING SUCKS ! ! !
Tis why the phone was invented to begin with... to eliminate the need to type/write to communicate over distance.
Whats really LAME is ...
People text on PHONES ! heh (anyone else here see the irony of this)...
BUT...
I do text...
TO PEOPLE I DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO !
Texting while driving... IS that not the DUMBEST thing EVER.
And what kills me is the masses do it.
People have just gone stupid.
Tis why the phone was invented to begin with... to eliminate the need to type/write to communicate over distance.
Whats really LAME is ...
People text on PHONES ! heh (anyone else here see the irony of this)...
BUT...
I do text...
TO PEOPLE I DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO !
Texting while driving... IS that not the DUMBEST thing EVER.
And what kills me is the masses do it.
People have just gone stupid.
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ivan salis
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Spain's view is why be a farmer --if you can just step in and claim the finished "crop" after all the labor and expense of the "farming " has been done for you ... lazy greedy buggers ...their mindset haven't changed a bit since they used the slave labor of indains to get the silver , gold and gems in the first place and now they use the labors of others (treasure hunters) to "recover it" for them for free --they paid nothing then to their "slaves" and pay nothing now to the salvors...... so things haven't changed that much in hundreds of years.... still enslaving others for their benefit
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old man
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War Grave my butt. It was blown to Kingdom Come.
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