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The Peralta Stones

B,

I have to agree with you. The Stone Maps are of the western end of the mountains, and the LDM is over by Iron Mountain. :o

Take care,

Joe
 

Evening: I am going to inject a few comments here. I was born and raised a Catholic. I was an altar boy for a bit - no, ORO! :o - I was even being groomed for the Seminary.

Unfortunately the lumps on my head by the sisters interfered with my clear thinking by the contusions and I finally asked, "why did the Lord make it soo difficult for we moderns, when the original ones were only given 10 commandments to follow ??

I am still waiting for the answer as to when the LORD reappeared to give me further orders beyond the 10 commandments.

Am I to assume that like the Archaeologists, the present teachings are a form / type of job security?

Conclusion, Oro if BETH brings up Religion at night around the camp fire, she will be banned to the woman's place, clean up the area, fetch firewood, cook, wash, care for the mules, and scratching the backs of the two legged ones..

Peeps, regarding translations I have had to do Legal ones many, many times down here. I have found that even professional personnel still tend to a literal word for word translation. They can't seem to understand that one must understand the context and intent of the original to faithfully translate.

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

Don Jose la gringo de la Mancha wrote
Conclusion, Oro if BETH brings up Religion at night around the camp fire, she will be banned to the woman's place, clean up the area, fetch firewood, cook, wash, care for the mules, and scratching the backs of the two legged ones..
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Shh! I have told her that was her job description, don't go and make it sound like some kind of punishment! :o ::) :tongue3: ;D :icon_thumleft:

Don Jose, Dueno de Minas Y Real de Tayopa also wrote
Peeps, regarding translations I have had to do Legal ones many, many times down here. I have found that even professional personnel still tend to a literal word for word translation. They can't seem to understand that one must understand the context and intent of the original to faithfully translate.
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Just a personal opinion but I prefer the literal translation, which can then be re-examined for contextual meaning(s). For me, the hardest (and most fun) have been Punic and Phoenician inscriptions, which often can be read in more than one way since the vowels are not written except when used more like a consonant. (There was a website with a number of good photos online, with Dutch translations, very good practice but it seems to have been pulled from the Net. Drat.)

To try to tie this back in with our topic matter, has anyone considered the idea that the Peralta stone inscriptions may NOT be Spanish but a similar, perhaps closely related language like Portuguese? It seems this idea did get mentioned earlier but I don't recall any comparisons with Portuguese or Italian or another Latin based language. <I know "coazon" is not Portuguese for "heart" as that word is "coracao" just curious if anyone has found anything new along these lines.> Thank you in advance, :icon_thumright:
Oroblanco
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SWR said:
I take it nobody buys into the theory that the Peralta Stones lead the way to a giant Knights of the Golden Circle depository and The Lost Dutchman's Mine mystery was solved :dontknow:
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I buy the theory in part SWR.

The Stone Tablets are not exclusively KGC and the tablets are not restricted to one giant depository.
The LDM legend was craftily concocted to lead the masses away from the depositories to focus the search in the areas near Iron Mountain and Weaver's Needle. Guess what? The plan has worked perfectly. Wouldn't you say SWR?

EB
 

mrs.oroblanco said:
The Knights of the Golden Circle???

B
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Yes B,

AKA KGC, a secret society that primarily operated during the Civil War that supported the Confederacy. Their primary job was to mine for gold (in the southwest and California). They also stole gold, arms and goods from the Union forces and Union sympathizers. These goods were hidden, cached, buried, etc. and WERE to be given to the Confederacy to help them win the war. This never happened, thus the KGC betrayed the Confederacy and all of the men that supported it. A short historical account. Any questions? Open to anyone.


EB
 

Ellie,

One other question: What is your source for those "factual?" historical statements?

Thank you in advance.

Take care,

Joe
 

mrs.oroblanco said:
Yes, question - in what years?

B
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Hi B, and Joe,

Mid to late 1850's up to 1910 give or take a few years. I do have some personal documentation that I have been gathering over the years which will shed some light on a number of their operations. One being the hard rock mine that we are currently developing was once operated by the KGC as identified by the use of many common signs and symbols that can be found all over the mine area. The secrecy of this mine and the region's mining activities had effected the local communities near these mines and the secrecy still exists in its older citizens while the younger generations are suspicious of these secret societies. These towns have no written history related to mining although hundreds of claims were filed from the 1860's through the early 1900's! The mines in the area produced millions of US dollars in wealth and no records exist. The state of Arizona and the USGS can back up this claim. I am not yet ready to release this information until I write the book. This depository is also connected to the Stone Maps. A snapshot view of the KGC, pg. 16, Rebel Gold by Bob Brewer is a very good read. He is currently the authority concerning the KGC.

EB
 

Hi SWR,

When the time comes to write the book it will be well documented and based on actual information. Theories involving the facts will be demonstrated and submitted to the reader's scrutiny. I do not plan to include fictional data of any kind. Real people, places and events will fill the pages, the data will be historically accurate. It will not be a perfect publication and some folks will always have their doubts, while others will find faults and choose not to believe the truth. Bob Brewer's book is in no way fictional, as I was working with him here in Arizona concerning the LDM, the Stone Maps and the Arizona Desert Treasure located in Adamsville and that is the truth (33). I am in one sense a witness mark.

Have a great week,

EB
 

Thanks for the follow-up.

I have not done much research on the KGC - depositories or otherwise, though I will have to follow up with that.

However, IF (big if) the Peralta Stones are equated with it, then it definitely was NOT the LDM. (or a combination thereof).

After years of research, I am convinced, without a doubt, that the LDM existed, and the Peralta Stones have nothing to do with it. (big emphasis on the Peralta Stone connection).

B
 

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Don Jose,

While James Addison Reavis did visit the Phoenix area in 1880, he spent the next ten years traveling between Arizona, New Mexico and California. There is no record of his ever spending any time exploring the Superstitions.

As I have mentioned many times, whoever created the Stone Maps spent many years in the mountains. They did not pop in for a short hike and draw the maps. The Stone Maps were never produced in support of Reavis' claims, and would not have helped those claims.......whatsoever.

There is nothing on the Stone Maps to tie them to the Peralta family. Historically, we can make that leap in logic today, but it would have been a difficult sale in 1880. Reavis would have put the Peralta name on the stones, if he sought to make that connection.

If I were to follow logic I would look to other possible creators such as, Chuck Aylor and Ted DeGrazia. :o

You would need to flesh out your theory a bit more to make it, somewhat, believeable.

Take care,

Joe
 

I don't know if they would have spent time in the Supers - just have access to people who did, or to a good library of maps.

Or someone like Barry Storm, who spent time in the Supers - and sure did like to tell stories, not to mention that he had been caught making fake spanish clues. Sure did sell a lot of books. (even a movie on his book - Lust for Gold), the man never mined bending the truth here and there.

B
 

Don Jose wrote
I have already told both You and ORO, they were for the land grab snicker.
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As our mutual friend Cactusjumper has already replied and covered the same objections I would have, I can only ask why, if they were a part of Baron Reavis' plan, did he not make use of them? I know Don Jose' suggested that they were just "too late" in the game to help, thus were discarded, but even the date (1847) is quite late compared with the falsified documents actually used by the Baron.

1880? I have to wonder about a couple of factors that would not work well with that date - for one, the artwork is very 1930's. For another, the site where they were found was along a well used trail in 1880, and folks traveled a lot by horseback. That may not be instantly apparent as some reason for not agreeing with an 1880 date, but sitting on a horse, you can see farther than a person in a car - <This is one reason why mounted searchers are still used for modern search and rescue operations> and with less obstructions (no glass or car frame) not to mention the far lower speed; hence there would have been a much higher chance of being discovered by a passerby. Even if hidden in the brush, remember much of the area was open range, and the cow hands had to "beat the bushes" all the time, in the process becoming much more intimate with the terrain and what was in it than modern people are. Anyway I don't think an 1880 date will work.

Oroblanco
 

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