The lost Treasure of Napoleon Bonaparte

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Senor Papa Crow…….I am sure there would be those in America who would welcome him solely to gain his treasure and then return or jail him…..
If Napoleon was a master of contingency, America would have likely been on his list…..
Interesting stuff, thanks…...

 

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[bigscoop]

Hello Bigscoop Sorry about being side tracked with a little baby boy matters. Ya posts was interesting on Napoleons connection to some treasure that may be hidden in America. I am not sure towards the end that he had much treasure as many assumed. Of course I have no reason to doubt that some treasure at least via various officers who saw Napoleon was finished moved money to united states as they themselves arrived as refugees. Napoleon had his own intenal battle inside his own government yet to his credit he raised an Army of French troops in his hundred days after escaping Elba. But since Napoleon was master of contingency plans it is not beyond the realms of impossabilty he had some plans for life in America. . I think it presumptuous of Even Napoleon to think after leaving 6 million people dead in Europe that the allies was never going to come after him even if he fled to America.

But gentlemen please do continue....

Crow

After his capture he was paranoid, for sure, even commenting that his this escape from the island would only lead to his not being able to trust anyone anywhere, or something along those lines, don't exactly have all that content memorized but this was the general notion.

On the other hand there were those here in the states that even went as far as to prepare for his arrival and his possible escape. And while this might sound unlikely there is a document from those in charge of the island that his escape was likely and even expected at some point given his friendly relations and winning over of those who stood guard over him. In fact, this letter leaves the notion that he was even high respected. Sounds crazy, I know, but it is in black and white.

But beyond this, and just for the reason you pointed out, in my mind I'm curious as to why they even went to the expense and effort to keep him alive on that island? In answer to this question I think one has to understand that the British had just entered into promising treaty with the US at a time when Spain and the disputed territory was all that remained for the U.S. to overcome, which is exactly where the French refugees setup new camp. Ironically, as soon as the Adams Onis Treaty is signed the French desert the region and shortly after this treaty's ratification in 1821...well....what happened to Napoleon?

And now we have to consider that letter again of 1829,addressed to Joseph Bonaparte in which Monroe is replying to earlier charges from Joseph Bonaparte and "utterly denying" that the U.S. ever made payment to high ranking French Officals for, "services rendered", this including Tallyrand, Joseph, and others. So.....the plot continues to thicken.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Crow, his father hasn't done so badly. now it's payback time for yous poor father.

Now get Napoleon's treasure/\.

 

[tintin_treasure]

Crow
Congrats! for the baby boy.


As to the Napoeon saga,I recall reading that the intention of Lord ....(forgot the British politician name..) was for Napoleon to be freed and build a new post spanish powerful south american empire under him.And Napoleon was following British politics hoping this Lord would be elected.Unfortuntely Napoleon died earlier.But the vision for post Spanish SA Napoleonic empire was a serious consideration in some British elite circles.
p.s.But if they allowed him to do that he was a gifted empire builder and would have invaded the whole Europe and North america with his new powerful SA Empire maybe sparing only Britain alone

tintin treasure

 

[bigscoop]

Consider this....at the time of Louisiana Purchase Napoleon knew that if he lost, which was likely, that he would have nowhere to seek refuge. Now press the pause button and ask yourself why Monroe was really sent to France to handle the negotiations? This country badly needed that purchase and those immediately within Napoleon's circle badly needed a place of safe refuge if their sweep of Europe was to end, which it did.

"No doubt" that a contingency plan had already been in place to head to the United States, as all of them quickly attempted to do after their defeat at Waterloo. And, those who did make it here were welcomed with open arms, some policies even being changed to meet their needs and rights of title. It might also surprise you to know that Napoleon was headed here in the company of Lallemand and that he would have made it with Lallemand if not for one fatal decision/temptation on his part. So clearly he and his immediate circle did have that plan already in place.

It might also surprise you to know that there were several prominent heads of state in this country that showed support for his cause and many of his policies. So....while we may not think that the US would have made bed with him there exist a great deal of evidence certainly suggesting the opposite. "If Napoleon loses at Waterloo and the British shoulder with the Spanish to come at us again, who then would be our ally if we could not use this withdrawing French force in the west? And where did these French military leaders setup camp immediately upon their arrival here.....

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

One must remember that if the French hadn't interfered in the American rev. we would have lost it.

 

[Oroblanco]

Historians have been most unkind to Napoleon - he was the ally of the USA and had some kind of personal magnetism about him; the Brits refused to allow him to live in England as his brother did, had to pull a regiment of British troops off St Helena that were guarding him as they had become too attached to him, even prosecuted a British admiral for plotting to rescue him from exile. This from the troops that fought against him! As one of the British sailors that carried him from France to St Helena stated, if people could come to know him as they had (in that short time aboard ship) they would never wish to harm a hair of his head. Not exactly the ogre or tiger depicted by the Brit press.

The Franco-US friendship was not limited to the Napoleonic wars period as our amigo Real de Tayopa pointed out, France was allied to the US in our revolutionary war, and during the French revolution, land was purchased and a settlement built in the wilds of PA for Marie Antoinette and her followers, so it would hardly be strange if some treasures got moved to the US in that time period.

Please do continue,
Oroblanco

 

[bigscoop]

Historians have been most unkind to Napoleon - he was the ally of the USA and had some kind of personal magnetism about him; the Brits refused to allow him to live in England as his brother did, had to pull a regiment of British troops off St Helena that were guarding him as they had become too attached to him, even prosecuted a British admiral for plotting to rescue him from exile. This from the troops that fought against him! As one of the British sailors that carried him from France to St Helena stated, if people could come to know him as they had (in that short time aboard ship) they would never wish to harm a hair of his head. Not exactly the ogre or tiger depicted by the Brit press.

The Franco-US friendship was not limited to the Napoleonic wars period as our amigo Real de Tayopa pointed out, France was allied to the US in our revolutionary war, and during the French revolution, land was purchased and a settlement built in the wilds of PA for Marie Antoinette and her followers, so it would hardly be strange if some treasures got moved to the US in that time period.

Please do continue,
Oroblanco

I think the US found itself in a most complex and dangerous situation, seeking important treaty with the British, trying to keep the pressure applied to the faltering Spanish in regards to the boundary dispute, and then the turmoil and uncertainty in France between the two governing factions, not knowing which one was going to come out on top in the end. As for Napoleon, how can you topple tyrants without being viewed as one, if not becoming one, in the process?

 

[releventchair]

Fire bell in the night (Quotation) « Thomas Jefferson?s Monticello


http://www.lambertcastle.org/remarkablebell.html

 

[Crow]

One must remember that if the French hadn't interfered in the American rev. we would have lost it.

Don Jose I agree in part but would also like add few other factors such as leadership was determined in the colonies which formed the united states was from better skill and determination of officers in command.. Where the British at the time was beset by poor leader ship based on family connections not quality of leadership. The reality it was always going to happen. Blind arrogance in England and a badly advised incompetent crown underlined many failings in British society at the time. The French navy effectively cut British supply from continuing the war which in the end they would of lost anyway.

I think Louisiana region acted as buffer from who America feared at the time was Spain. . Once the balance of power shift they sudden found themselves with no need of the French. In fact if my memory is Correct there was a small undeclared war between France and the United states 2 years 1798-1800 fought mostly at sea?

In the post war independance era it would indeed to be easy to see due to changing alliances treasure being hidden from those uncertain times.

Crow

 

[Oroblanco]

Not to totally derail this, yes Crow you are correct about the so-called Quasi-war with France, just would point out that the war of 1812 we were literally allies of Napoleon, US newspapers even bragged about it, and during the burning of the US capital by the Brits, many important papers were saved by taking them to the French embassy. Napoleon even asked Britain to be sent to America if not to live in England, which of course was refused.

Please do continue,
Oroblanco

 

[bigscoop]

And let us not forget that the sale of Louisiana to the US was hotly contested by the Spanish due to a secret agreement they had made with the French in regards to their having the right to buy it back. So the US and France really increased upon the super power tensions with that sale. The US took a very big gamble not only in buying the territory but also in their believing that Spain had been weakened to badly to do anything about it, which actually turned out to be the case. But had Spain found the means and with the British arriving in the west....

 

[releventchair]

Not trying to make a political statement here,only an example. Today's and the recent pasts Kurds are similar to the French supporters of Napoleon rule without a country after the Bourbons ruled again in when and if their "allies" were to help them have an independent recognized country. As a people /force they are useful but granting them what they want and fight for ....
A dangling carrot of sorts alliance, however weak, a hope still.
With Bourbon house in France the hope of a Napoleon successor was never far away by many opposed to their rule.Timing would be an issue and of course finance. Joseph was back and forth on even if an attempt to plan should exist, rightfully so having seen enough war to impress his sensibilities yet had embedded in him his brothers"All for France" and had contact and correspondence with those who would see an attempt and fully support it keeping the possibility always discussed and thought of often..

 

[releventchair]

Joseph and jewels and crown and offers of many half dollars and costs of home furnishings all hint of some wealth.

The Bonapartes in America ? Chapter 4

 

[Oroblanco]

Joseph and jewels and crown and offers of many half dollars and costs of home furnishings all hint of some wealth.

The Bonapartes in America ? Chapter*4

Thanks for sharing this, it includes a hidden treasure of jewels, buried and later retrieved worth five million francs at that time.

 

[bigscoop]

Thanks for sharing this, it includes a hidden treasure of jewels, buried and later retrieved worth five million francs at that time.

When you really get to looking under the covers there's actually quite a bit to be found that suggest that there was a pretty well organized network in place. When we look overseas we find that there was even subscription money being sent to the US in support of the refugees, and we learn that there was quite a bit of propaganda at work in regards to the New France that these refugees were going to build. So even after they were here there was money being sent in their support and when you start tracking this money things get pretty darn interesting, indeed.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI luv, here he is. Ya gonna hook up with him, or just marry him ??

You picked a tough one.

Would need hour ' He falls into 4 possible groups, this is the basic one.

You picked a tough one. Would need hour ' He falls into 4 possible groups, this is the basic one.

 

[tat2guy]

Joseph and jewels and crown and offers of many half dollars and costs of home furnishings all hint of some wealth. The Bonapartes in America ? Chapter 4

The Spanish Crown Jewels were recovered!!! The documents lie in philadelphia. I've been told about them and I'm combing microfilm to find them. I have the names now just need the letters

 

[bigscoop]

Can you imagine having been related to Napoleon, all of the political strife it would have brought into your otherwise common life. I think I would have ran away.

 

[Crow]

Hello Bigscoop Interesting point from experience of hunting down decendants of people most over time tend to be entirely different people. One such person was horrified to learn his great grandfather was murder of at least 170 odd people. With each generation there is mix even more of the gene pool and by each generation you essentially become a much different person.

Crow