The lost Treasure of Napoleon Bonaparte

[tintin_treasure]

Hello TT The unholy trio my friend researches treasure legends from around the world. Its our passion, we have thousands of documents on many lost treasures. Most we will never finish in a life time. Others are in more advanced state of research others as you all we know will be nothing more than just legends. However there is some with much more than a grain of truth behind them.

Those that meet that criteria will be researched more in-depth. Even so many due various reason are UN-doable due numerous reasons and will fall from the equation leaving a few that have potential to go further a develop further perhaps into full blown project?

Game show type treasure hunt reward books do not fit our criteria on what we search for.... Its just not what we are about

Crow

thanks Crow,,,I understand,,those TH puzzle books are meant for rookies . Given your experience you may actually be the ones to release us a TH adventure puzzle book with real life hidden treasure ,

p.s.is tomb of Ghengis Khan in your radar? I heard the hoard is unparalleled.

tintin treasure

 

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[Crow]

thanks Crow,,,I understand,,those TH puzzle books are meant for rookies . Given your experience you may actually be the ones to release us a TH adventure puzzle book with real life hidden treasure ,

p.s.is tomb of Ghengis Khan in your radar? I heard the hoard is unparalleled.

tintin treasure

Hello TT As said all legends interest me to certain degree. However the grave and treasure site of Ghengis Khan in reality is too much of a large vague area to warrant the time and money. There are much better prospects out there.

As for Puzzle book, this is Some thing me or any other of trio would never do. We can do what we want and when we want and have no need do such things. Especially when we have done years of research we know only all too well what its like to be toyed with.

Crap like that is for ass out my pants film directors, entrepreneurs to flog books too lazy to a proper research for a real missing treasure seeking to scam a buck from others with a pretend one.

The treasure legends I post here as well as the others of trio in various Forums is in the spirit of the sheer enjoyment of sharing such stories..especially with people who have passion for such things. As I said all a long we have at various times posted in the spirit of giving back in thanks and in reflection of an amazing life The trio has had. We posted much information on many treasure stories devoting much of time and yet We could be flogging the stories and information to ya in book. Yet we give it all away for free. What anyone does with it is up to them regardless if they prove or disprove legends.

The trios journey is coming to an end.....And next generation will go forth and dare to dream...

Crow

 

[Crow]

But for now a squinting One eyed Bird shall continue.

I do have some thing for ya TT as it was it seems you have a special interest in this treasure legend. time for this bedraggled old crow to hit the roost

But alas my right eyes giving me grief tonight so I will post tomorrow...

Crow

 

[tintin_treasure]

Hello TT As said all legends interest me to certain degree. However the grave and treasure site of Ghengis Khan in reality is too much of a large vague area to warrant the time and money. There are much better prospects out there.

As for Puzzle book, this is Some thing me or any other of trio would never do. We can do what we want and when we want and have no need do such things. Especially when we have done years of research we know only all too well what its like to be toyed with.

Crap like that is for ass out my pants film directors, entrepreneurs to flog books too lazy to a proper research for a real missing treasure seeking to scam a buck from others with a pretend one.

The treasure legends I post here as well as the others of trio in various Forums is in the spirit of the sheer enjoyment of sharing such stories..especially with people who have passion for such things. As I said all a long we have at various times posted in the spirit of giving back in thanks and in reflection of an amazing life The trio has had. We posted much information on many treasure stories devoting much of time and yet We could be flogging the stories and information to ya in book. Yet we give it all away for free. What anyone does with it is up to them regardless if they prove or disprove legends.

The trios journey is coming to an end.....And next generation will go forth and dare to dream...

Crow

Crow,,,I truly admire your principle here and generous offer of informations. But leaving the puzzle stuff aside , you the trio could actually write the conquests and journey of the trio in an amazing book.Not so much for the profit but for the sheer excitement such a book will offer. And as to your actual adventure dont call it off bro...there is still so much to search and you are still up to it.

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

TT I have question for ya can ya find a place called Sukhuja Gara?

Crow

 

[tintin_treasure]

TT I have question for ya can ya find a place called Sukhuja Gara?

Crow

Hello Crow

this one proved difficult. I tried various ways but no success.It appears that in Google earth there are ''Sakhuja'' related shops like Sakhuja Plastics etc in India.I tried google, yahoo,google scholar and one British archive but no success. I couldnt access Scopus an acadamic database.
One thing about searching ,though you may already know is that search engines like google may not extract some information from certain repositories like University and other organization databases etc.For that you have to use certain specialized search sites like Scopus ,sciencedirect etc. google scholar is a free google version for academic stuff but still may not be effective,(sometimes it is effective ) .This is the so called deep web (I am not referring to the shady underworld internet activity but to organization databases not visible easily on google). Such kind of organization based databases can not be accessed easily using google ..an example is the Bristih newspaper archive,or university digital libraries.. for these one has to go to the sites themeslves and use the search facility provided.Hence the point is maybe you can try to serach specialized repositories on south east asia if you have access.Or some of these acadamic search engines like Scopus if there is any publication on "Sakhuja Gara" .I tried Scopus but couldnt get access as it not open for wider public.It is not in the free google scholar.

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

Hello TT I like how ya think...

I know where is it is but part of the rush is finding these things yourself. And when ya do it will bring you a grin from ear to ear and punch up in and shout yes got ya!

Trouble with Google earth some words and places it does not full understand even when its on its map...Think about the treasure legend of Napoleons retreat from Moscow. Ya have to look with geographical eyes and follow the retreat of the Grand Army. When ya do you think find it. hardluck used to do it to me and kanacki all the time just to us to rewire our thought processes on what to look for..

Crow

 

[tintin_treasure]

Hello TT I like how ya think...

I know where is it is but part of the rush is finding these things yourself. And when ya do it will bring you a grin from ear to ear and punch up in and shout yes got ya!

Trouble with Google earth some words and places it does not full understand even when its on its map...Think about the treasure legend of Napoleons retreat from Moscow. Ya have to look with geographical eyes and follow the retreat of the Grand Army. When ya do you think find it. hardluck used to do it to me and kanacki all the time just to us to rewire our thought processes on what to look for..

Crow

Hello Crow..that is interesting ..it is like reconstructing the scene of the crime .
By the way when I was checking the British national archive I came across this map archive as well.It is good resource
Maps

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

Hello Crow..that is interesting ..it is like reconstructing the scene of the crime .
By the way when I was checking the British national archive I came across this map archive as well.It is good resource
Maps

tintin treasure

Yes like with all treasure legends ya need to go where the facts takes you like investigation on a cold case crime scene. But in our case its back into history of 1812. More evidence you find the better your search for the facts will be.

Have fun....

Crow

 

[Crow]

What can be of real help is hunting down accounts of soldier that was there during the retreat?

One such story I will post later....

Crow

 

[tintin_treasure]

What can be of real help is hunting down accounts of soldier that was there during the retreat?

One such story I will post later....

Crow

thanks Crow...that would give us some vivid picture. There was also a diary of an in keeper in Vilnuis I presume.

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

It would indeed to find a diary kept by an Inn keeper?

However there are various account of old soldier that was in the retreat.


This following September 10th 1899 newspaper store tells of the tragic retreat fromMoscow





What you might find interesting is tragic fire in a Barn at small county hamlet?

Crow

 

[tintin_treasure]

It would indeed to find a diary kept by an Inn keeper?

However there are various account of old soldier that was in the retreat.


This following September 10th 1899 newspaper store tells of the tragic retreat fromMoscow

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What you might find interesting is tragic fire in a Barn at small county hamlet?

Crow

Thanks Crow I am reading the important piece u posted.I may need magnifying glass. As to the inn keeper diary I read it in the voice of russia article i posted days ago.Here is an excrept from it

....A resident of Vilnius wrote in his memoirs that the chief treasurer of Napoleon’s army had been quartered in his house and that as far as one could guess the officer had orders to deliver a large amount of gold to Paris. Several cartloads were standing in the yard with sentinels keeping guard over them day and night. French troops were quartered in the local university and also in several cathedrals that had a ramified network of underground tunnels.
By the time the Russians approached Vilnius, Napoleon had already fled to Paris in utmost secrecy, leaving his generals in charge. With only one thought on their minds – to make a safe and speedy comeback – the generals ordered the troops to leave behind all things heavy and large.
The same house-owner recalled that when the mysterious carts were riding out of his yard, a wooden barrel slipped off onto the ground and broke into pieces, gold coins pouring out of it. None of the guards bothered to pause to pick them up. The French were leaving Vilnius in such a rush that there is every reason to think that the looted treasures remained in the city, properly hidden. But where could they have possibly hidden about 80 tons of gold, silver, precious stones and jewelry, let alone icons, paintings and vintage weapons?....

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

Hello TT Ya can double click on the image and it should come up larger so you can read it better.

I tend to believe over the hectic disorganized retreat much treasure was cast aside as many fell by the wayside dying with typus and exposure. Not really sure what made it back to Vilnius perhaps not the 80 tons of treasure as mentioned by a substancil amount neverless.

However what I like to show ya is The above story tells of Barn crowded with officers and men with their personal looted treasure?

The following newspaper confirms the barn story but give more a name of the Hamlet. It was North of Minsk where the grand Army retreated.



The Old Solider gives the name of tragic incident as Garra. Today the place is an amalgamation of two small rather remote hamlets called Sukhuja Gara.it is if yalook on google earth north of Minsk

Here is some pictures of the hamlet below...









So for me there might be a possabilty the site of this grisley event where hundreds of soliders burnt to death was not fully looted and coins and there is still Jewels and buried in the ashes among the remains of soliders who perished at the site. Perhaps the actual build site today is just part of a feild? Awaiting a keen metal detectorist?

Crow

 

[releventchair]

No where is safe, nothing or anyone.


http://www.indiana.edu/~psource/PDF/Archive Articles/Spring2011/LynchBennettArticle.pdf

 

[Crow]

Hello releventchair thanks for the interesting article.

It was indeed a massive logistics disaster....Judging by that article the chain of command had by all means already broken down before they got Vilnius. There is no way 80 tons of gold or treasure made in in one piece. However small caches I have not doubt during chaos by self interest groups.

Another site between Sukhuja Gara and Orsha, North east of Minsk. A site destroyed by Russian scorch earth policy. Could in theory harbour desperate burial sites of looted treasure from Moscow as the grand Army broke down all discipline as an armed fighting unit, as starvation made it a free for all.











It was perhaps in the shelter of these ruins many soldiers with thier looted items in desperation buried small caches nearby in the desperate hope of one day retrieving them as they retreated from Smolensk?

Crow

 

[releventchair]

The place the previously mentioned co-worker and I labored in for many years began to fail. I got out before it closed. My friend and I were the last in our department.In time my assignment became another department and back to hard labor. My boss said it was myself or friend and it would he said, kill my friend. I doubt it though. Though no longer the bear strong man he was he could work.
The same worker my boss told me,"if you see him bending over a trash can kick him hard." I would not though. He taught me a few things outside my knowledge, how to use rags for socks, ect. and that some things sometimes can not be gotten out of ones mind.
Having suffered under the effects of communism on his youth in Poland anything of possible value to him must be saved. Never mind he had a good wage and nice home, as anything, in his mind, could be taken as it had in the past. One day, tired of the stench in our desk/material storage area and the raccoons coming up the stairs from outside I hauled several carts of my friends treasures to the dumpster. Torn rubber gloves,rags, plastic bags, moldy food ,coathangers ect.. He was angry when told no more, take it home or leave it alone. When he went home his wife made him take anything he had to the garage, in time it seemed to be mostly only coat-hanger wires anymore.
Having had nothing never left his mind. Any insurance had to be tangible.


War, deprivation and degeneration combined with starvation had to strike deep wounds into their psyche. Napoleons surviving army must have been mostly demented for life or very near it. They too likely never were without food at hand again. Or ill dressed in the cold. What could have been taken from Moscow and what was taken had to haunt them.

 

[Crow]

Hello Releventchair many people would be horrified what they could be capable of when pushed to ones extremities.

Crow

 

[tintin_treasure]

Thanks Crow for the infos...and Relevant chair for the insighful article.
Crow,,I have one question on the location of the Barn which you identified it as ''North of Minsk''.However in the article of relevantchair the Russians allowed Napleon to cross the Beresina river because they feared that if he is stranded from crossing he would head North to Minsk which has supplies and could help revive his army.Hence It appears according to the article the path of the retreat and the crossing of the river happened somewhere south of Minsk. Hence I am not sure if the ''Sukhuja Gara'' you located is the same Hamlet of Gara of the story.Just a tiny thread to the yarn.However we are having a more vivid picture now.

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

Hello TT believe it or not, some times academics get things wrong. It you look at the map releventchair supplied you can see the line retreat that map was made originally in 1869 by the French in which I believe is more reliable than a 20 century academic writing a thesis on the problems of logistics rather than giving an accurate depiction of where the grand army retreated?

You see on the wonderful map below...That the retreat was north of Minsk not South.



Also there markers in Country in the countryside commemorating where the Grand Army retreated. All north of Minsk.



Crow