Chlsbrns also wrote
I know many of the people on this forum and can state for a fact that they have indeed put boots on the ground looking, many years of it in fact. How much time have you spent putting your boots on the ground?
>>> I mainly go to get permission and test as I research and know what to expect when I get there. I don't waste time wandering aimlessly.
You have posted common knowledge about the many known, not lost mines. How many have you actually been to?
>>> You assume to often. What you are calling a mine in most cases are large gold deposits that have never been worked. They are for the most part gold deposits not mines. They are from stream and soil samples that the USGS has taken from streams and soils. They test for everything not just gold. As I've already stated when I go I'm going to ask permission and to test. I can only get the guys to work a few different locations each summer.
I see that others have pointed out that in many cases, yes indeed there are thousands of ounces of gold, but so thinly distributed in the ore as to make extracting it non-profitable.
>>> Again they are assumptions and are incorrect.
Perhaps you do not understand what hunting a lost mine is all about? It is not about simply hunting for a mine that has gold in it, there are thousands of those, it is about finding one that is rich enough for a Mom-n-Pop type of operation to work and make money at. Something so small that a major mining company would not even be interested. Ask our mutual amigo Real de Tayopa about this. Many lost mines are in this class - they are not thousands of acres but quite small - the vein of the Doc Thorn story is no more than eighteen inches thick and you can bet that it tapers off at the ends.
>>> I'm talking the lost Dutchman and other lost mine stories. Rich maybe but verifiably not minable. You either missed my previous post or are also good at ignoring facts that you do not like. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/l...mine-same-mine-jacob-waltz-6.html#post3705423
You also choose to ignore my post? Or fail to comprehend? The yellow markers on google earth amount to hundreds of billions of dollars worth of gold. The locations haven't been mined because the locations haven't been found by the public. The USGS does not mine they sample and test.
Oh the lawyer thing... ask a lawyer now if there is the slightest chance that you will be able to mine if you find any of the super rich gold deposits in the Superstitions.
Chlsbrns also wrote
Snap out of it? Heck amigo I am not sure I even understand your point - you are convinced that Waltz was a lazy, greedy murderer; I don't agree. Would a lazy, greedy murderer give money to a friend to help them out?
>>> Would they kill their cousin as Waltz did? You must have also missed that post or choose to ignore that fact
This version of the story doesn't ring true. We can not know what reason(s) why Waltz chose not to file a claim, but there are some obvious ones, for one thing the moment he filed a claim, he could count on having numerous other people up at his mine and very likely claim jumpers.
>>> I posted copies of the actual claims that Waltz did file. What was it 15 claims? His reason for not filing the one claim that you want to believe in was probably because you can't place claims on victims.
In another mining district, where others already had filed claims, this risk is greatly reduced. Can you get that idea? I can give you numerous examples - if you filed a new claim on Eldorado Creek in Yukon Territory, it would hardly raise an eyebrow, but when those fellows filed new claims in the Northwest Territories on the great diamond strike there, De Beers immediately claimed up all the ground around it for miles around. In Waltz's day there were people ready and willing to murder you for a rich mine located in a remote place. For that matter there are still people around today whom would do the same - not so many years ago a man was murdered in Apache Jct for having bragged that he had a map to the Lost Dutchman mine. The map was one out of a magazine, but his bragging about it got him killed.
>>> Yes you already made these statements and are again choosing to ignore my reply.
Chlsbrns also wrote
Dr Walker did not know Waltz as far as I know, can you show some evidence that they knew each other? Walker could safely claim the mine as it was deep in Pima territory, where the Apaches feared to tread, and he had the full protection of his friends the Pimas as well. Dr Walker had a map to the mine given him by Weiser, and yet he never once went looking for it, perhaps he thought it was just too dangerous to go into the Superstitions? You are seeing every aspect of this in black and white - perhaps it would be helpful if you read some of the previous threads to get some better foundation?
>>> I read it somewhere just like everyone read something or another somewhere. Is any of it verifiable?
Chlsbrns also wrote
For one thing, why should any of us go to a place that you are not willing to go to? You could be trying to send us on a wild goose chase. Others have already covered other aspects of this, and
to Somehiker thanks I will be happy to join you!
>>>Again you are making assumptions that I do not go to any locations. Did I say that I do not go? NO! If I was 18 and lived to be 100 I could not get to all of the locations let alone work them all. I'll probably never get west of the Mississippi River as there are to many east of the Mississippi. I also prefer and choose locations with water.
Chlsbrns also wrote
If you would go out and try to find some of these "known" mines, you will learn that a fair number of them which are listed as known and exact locations etc are NOT where the maps show them to be, and some are truly lost, just have no published stories about them.
>>> Do you ever deal in facts or just unsubstantiated assumptions? There are known mines and gold deposits that have never been worked. Some are old mines some are from soil & stream samples. They are where the USGS coordinates say they are.
Chlsbrns also wrote
What is funny is that you apparently do not know what the situation is on most of those known mines. If you would go to your state BLM office, you will find that most of them are under claim, and if you went digging on these active claims, you could be prosecuted or even shot. Many known mines are pretty well played out too - so they show up on those publications, but are not worth fooling with. Your research is not getting at the whole picture amigo.
>>> Again unsubstantiated assumptions. Known mines... See above. East of the Mississippi is private un-claimable property. You know... people own the properties? Many of the old mines east of the Mississippi were hidden or filled in on purpose during the Civil War. They didn't want the North to get their gold. They fought, died and never returned to the mine or went west and never returned. The locations west of the Mississippi are claimable if not already claimed. Guaranteed that I could make a deal with a claim owner who doesn't have a clue that a rich vein is located on their claim
Chlsbrns wrote
You really don't know these people do you? Do you realize that there are many different sizes and grades of mines, as well as different types?
>>> Yes I only plotted the rich locations not the so so locations.
Are you asking us to convince you that lost mines are real?
>>> No but even if a mine was found you couldn't prove it to be a lost mine.
Or are you assuming that we are all just deluded idiots?
>>> Your the one who makes assumptions not me
In the first case, you should decide for yourself, and then act accordingly. You seem to assume that none of us have any experience or knowledge of mining - now I cannot speak for everyone, but I own several good mining claims and spend some time digging gold out of them every year. In fact my wife and I made a living at our small mine in the Mojave desert for a couple of years and if not for the Desert Protection Act would probably be there right now.
>>> Your lawyer couldn't get you permission to work a claim? I know of some great locations in the Dakota's (N & S) Before you tell me there aren't any good deposits I can assure you there are!
I have over thirty years experience in prospecting and have owned and sold a number of good to excellent mines, and made a respectable amount of money at the vocation, not just looking for lost mines or treasures. I know that quite a few of the other members here have as much or more mining experience, many own mining claims as well or have owned them. Hunting a lost mine is simply prospecting but focused on searching for a particular mine or deposit, rather than just going out in any area and hoping to find a good strike.
I see that our mutual amigo Springfield has already addressed your point on what mining companies would be interested in or not interested in, thank you both.
>>> Yes he did and again you are ignoring what you choose to ignore. You ignored my post that shows they will mine 1/2ppm and are again assuming the deposits are not rich. I deal in facts!
Sarge wrote
The county courthouse in Dahlonega Georgia is built of gold ore, has over an ounce per ton in fact. It is not hard to find gold, it is hard to find a lot of gold in one place, wish we could get that across to some people.
>>> An ounce per ton is a whole lot of gold!
Roy
? I personally have found La Tarasca, Las Pimas, La Gloria Pan, Tepoca, and of course the fabulous, legendary Tayopa, plus tons of missing historical data. Right now I am working on the historical side which is fascinating and FUN.
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