the everything site ...?

[the blindbowman]

Gossamer,

As I said......."until that last rock is looked under". At this point in time, Atlantis is myth. Think I said something along those lines to Roy, as well.

Nothing wrong with believing in Atlantis. There is also nothing wrong in believing that it's a myth.

Take care,

Joe

dont you think its kind of dumb to keeping say where it could be when someone has two diffrent chartings penpionting the same location ...LOL even if you dont believe the sorce you got to dismiss the location before you can go back to saying where it could have been ...lol.....


lol even you got to admit

cj .. its hard to plot a myth

 

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[cactusjumper]

bb,

"i only translated the data back on modern carts ....."

Would that be grocery carts?? You are spending way too much time at the market. Munchies will do that to ya.

The great part about finding a myth, is that you can make up your own "facts" as you go along. That's especially true if you have nothing to show for your "discovery". Who's to say your "facts" are also myth.

This is the "everything site" so when will you get to the Ark Of The Covenant?

Joe Ribaudo

 

[the blindbowman]

bb,

"i only translated the data back on modern carts ....."

Would that be grocery carts?? You are spending way too much time at the market. Munchies will do that to ya.

The great part about finding a myth, is that you can make up your own "facts" as you go along. That's especially true if you have nothing to show for your "discovery". Who's to say your "facts" are also myth.

This is the "everything site" so when will you get to the Ark Of The Covenant?

Joe Ribaudo

when you can get this peice of shit key board to work right lol,,,,

 

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[cactusjumper]

bb,

"when you can get this peice of --deleted-- key board to work right lol,,,,"

It was not so long ago that you were chiding me for my cheap equipment, while touting the three high dollar setups that you were using. What happened

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigos,

Blindbowman sorry to see you leave, but if you have other things to do I understand perfectly. I sure wish you good luck and good hunting, and hope that you find the treasures that you seek.

Cactusjumper wrote:

In myths, no one can be right or wrong until that last rock is looked under. We have a long way to go. What's your favorite location for Atlantis?

Hmm well I can't say that I "believe in" Atlantis, like an article of faith, instead I have to say that I am convinced it was a real place, even though the evidence is slim. One solid artifact does exist (or may be lost now that I think about it, but at least photos of it still exist) and we can thank good old Schliemann for it - among the items he un-earthed at the site of Troy was one item that was actually marked "From the king of Atlantis". (This little bit of info took a surprising amount of research on my part to discover.) I strongly suspect that some "Neolithic" sites like Carnac in France might be ruins from the Atlanteans. As for my own choice of the true location of Atlantis, I plead the 5th - I have to save some 'shocker' for the book!

Blindbowman wrote:

so how can Atlantis be so much more addvanced then the greeks were .. if atlantis was founded by a greeks ..?

Well Atlantis and Atlas were not Greek, they were Titans. The Phoenicians called them "Tityans", and recorded them not as "gods" but a powerful people. Some of them were still living circa 1000 BC, as king Hiram (also spelled Huram) made at least one expedition (war) against them. So it is not a case of Atlantis being Greek, in fact they warred against the proto-Greeks.

Blindbowman also wrote:

show me anyone who spoke out againest greek law...? anyone that didnt get bandished ...

There are quite a number of these amigo, even Solon in one famous incident stood in his armor, armed, calling on the Athenians to rise up and not allow Peisistratos to become a tyrant over his beloved Athens, but perhaps that would not count? Your point is taken however, that many outspoken opponents of Greek law were in fact banished, or at least those in Athens.

Gossamer wrote:

And if we are going to try and say that information such as that couldn't just be lost, let us go back to Egypt ... and the damn burning of the Library of Alexandria.

I still hold that against J. Caesar, even if it were not a deliberate act, he could have done more to try to save it but instead used that criminal act as a diversion to achieve his own personal aims. One would think that since he was an author himself, he would have done something.

Good luck and good hunting to you all, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
your friend,
Oroblanco

 

[the blindbowman]

i agree Oro about Atlas .i knew he was one of the sons of a the 12 titans and had been banded for his part in a co of some kind ...

but you may want to think about what i say next before you draw any concluetion about Atlantis ..

my research has uncoverd some evidence to subport a new theory

i was trying to define the tribes or sites of this culture and realized they have something in common .

at frist faced with a group of tribes that look to have very little in common over . i noted the chicomoztoc relationship with the dillman site .

then i realized these site may have started as

chicomoztoc
old chichen
the dillman site
chachapoya
aztec
a Galapagos island site ..Mayan?
the chanle island site
Atlantis


all these site can be dirrectly link to this culture ,'

why because the answer was most likely found at the dillman site ,, these are all fishing vallages from the time of the great flood ,

when the flood waters went down the areas could no longer subport the vallages nd the wild game was depleted from over hunting and the flash of the flood it self .makeing it unable to subport these vallages that had begone fishing to feed the vallages , now fast hunger...
so they had no choice but to move with the shore line as the great flood water went back out to the level we know now ...

this theory tells us a few interesting facts if t is proven ...

one if it happended once it most likely could happen again and this flood was much bigger then we beleive it was ..

think of the over all thoery in detail . the flood takes 1/3 of the people when it happends . after the flood waters go back down the vallages go hungery and nother 1/3 of the people starve to death ...leaveing 2/3 of their people dead or sick


it also gives us a posable ratio . 2/3 of the over all population die in this trun of events

it also tells us how far the water level goes up ....

in this case 67 your map very close to what is most likely going to happend in the near future ...

this theory would explan why they were maping the earth cycles . to try to prodict the events retrun ...

now there is no real way to define this theory to any reality that we could make a time line from ..but as a theory it is possable this could happend again ..

the dillman site could have been define by trade ...but why use the lama hair ,, it is well known as a boat patching matteral .. the net i could beleive was sold in trade . but the lama hair and the net togather could suport this theory ...

i am not saying to run to higher groud ..

i am saying this theory has evidence that suports it is possable ...it could explan with the clovis sites vanished and then the tribes reappaired after the 9500 year bc mark as folsum site started ,

we may be able to get a better look at what these events look like and when and how they happend ...and how the people of the world over come the great flood ...maybe there was more then one flood .. but as it looks the theory stand as a unspoken record of the events that took place in these tribes history...at least in thoery ...

 

[the blindbowman]

"Columbia Encyclopedia: totem
(tō'təm) , an object, usually an animal or plant (or all animals or plants of that species), that is revered by members of a particular social group because of a mystical or ritual relationship that exists with that group. The totem—or rather, the spirit it embodies—represents the bond of unity within a tribe, a clan, or some similar group. Generally, the members of the group believe that they are descended from a totem ancestor, or that they and the totem are “brothers.” The totem may be regarded as a group symbol and as a protector of the members of the group. In most cases the totemic animal or plant is the object of taboo: it may be forbidden to kill or eat the sacred animal. The symbol of the totem may be tattooed on the body, engraved on weapons, pictured in masks, or (among Native Americans of the Pacific Northwest) carved on totem poles. In some cultures males have one totem and females another, but, generally speaking, totemism is associated with clans or blood relatives. Marriage between members of the same totemic group is commonly prohibited."


certain tribal or traditional peoples as the emblem of a clan or family and sometimes revered as its founder, ancestor, or guardian.







"i have defind chicomoztoc as the brith place of the turtle clan ....."

 

[somehiker]

BB:
These guys usually have a pretty good idea of what and why.They think at this point that it's gonna go west when it hits land.
http://vortex.plymouth.edu/hur_dir/hur_pos_nt2.html
Lots of great info on this site--current and historical--and well worth the bookmark.
site link--http://vortex.plymouth.edu/
Left hand column--down--[Big mpeg loop/atlantic IR sat view] is great "big picture"view of what is going on.
Regards:SH.

 

[Peerless67]

i have made the choice to end this ...

i have ask scott wood to hear my reguest for a premit for site 4 ....


i have other things to do ..


like find a new hobby ...

Let me know how the request for a "premit" goes BB, good luck with obtaining it.

 

[somehiker]

BB:
I sincerely hope that you allowed another specialist to file your reports.I cannot imagine any aviator,planning a flight,attempting to use a synopsis with such spelling.
Regards:SH.

Perhaps you could explain the weather that this gif represents,and what situation one would expect to develop in the area,since this is typical of the type of chart that you would have had to file for 2 1/2 years.

 

[Peerless67]

Is there such a thing as a temporary permit? or at least one with a predetermined expiry date. Where by the person/persons who have asked for a permit are given X amount of time to prove they have a valid claim for a permit

 

[somehiker]

BB:
Actually,you have answered the question quite well.Anyone involved in weather analysis and forecasting would have recognized the symbols etc. and the source of the data represented as from equipment also used by the Navy since 1944.
BTW:the image is of the conditions that prevailed just before the storm hit Phoenix yesterday.Climatologists considered these conditions to be very abnormal and were not mountain related.
Also take note that the gif is not from an aviation weather chart,but could show up on one used by the FAA,any branch of the Armed Forces(the Navy has airplanes too),NASA of course and even your TV weather station.

Regards:SH.

 

[the blindbowman]

"and the source of the data represented as from equipment also used by the Navy since 1944."


what ship did you say you were on ...?

your statement is faults
.i guest , to see what your reply would be .. the FFG -3 never used any of that type of nav on the bridge . and if you had any frist hand time on that ship you would out right know why ... you dont know do you ...?

where did you get this statement ,name your sorce . because you are out right wrong ..all navigation on the flag ship must be done on paper charts .. fact !

they would never replace this system because of its failuar rate...
i dont know where you got your data , but you are out right wrong ...

if you want to make sure we can contact the 32 st navial base in SD calf.my son is station there right now ........i have no idea if they use that type of weather mapping ,1981 was a long time ago ..and they never used that on the FFG-3 why i was active...

your not to far away from me in northern new york .., its a shame you had another motive for makeing the reply in the frist place ....

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigos,

Blindbowman wrote:

then i realized these site may have started as

chicomoztoc
old chichen
the dillman site
chachapoya
aztec
a Galapagos island site ..Mayan?
the chanle island site
Atlantis

Hi Blindbowman - I just have a couple of questions here that would clarify things for me - first, you mentioned a Galapagos island site, perhaps Mayan? This is a new one on me, never knew there were any ruins/sites on the Galapagos islands. Is there any information available on this online or a book you could recommend?

Secondly, you mentioned the channel island site - do you mean the Catalina islands channel, the English channel or another channel with islands and archaeological sites? I don't know of any significant archaeological sites either on the English channel islands (including Guernsey and Jersey) nor on the Catalina islands, though the Catalinas do have very interesting pygmy mammoth finds and (perhaps) the oldest human remains ever found in the Americas, which would be pretty ODD for that old (and wrong) Bering Straits land-bridge theory that the historians love so much. If you could clear this question up for me it would help me understand. Thank you in advance,

The other thing I found interesting was the totem. I meant to ask you about this earlier but got side-tracked on other subjects, my apologies for not asking about this sooner. You know that totems are generally identified with the Pacific Northwest region, and not with the southwest. Is it a totem like those of the Pacific Northwest, or something more like the Inuuk's (stone men markers also called "Inukshuk")<Correction, inunnguaq, not Inuuk or Inukshuk which is not necessarily built in the shape of a man> built by Eskimos, Inuits etc in the Arctic? (like these)

Or something quite unlike those examples, more like the stone column-statues of Teotihuacan (in Mexico) or Tiahuanaco (in Bolivia)? (Yes I am leading towards something mentioned by Jacob Waltz as well as a few Dutch-hunters.) Thank you in advance,

Good luck and good hunting to you all, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
your friend,
Oroblanco

 

[the blindbowman]

HOLA amigos,

Blindbowman wrote:

then i realized these site may have started as

chicomoztoc
old chichen
the dillman site
chachapoya
aztec
a Galapagos island site ..Mayan?
the chanle island site
Atlantis

Hi Blindbowman - I just have a couple of questions here that would clarify things for me - first, you mentioned a Galapagos island site, perhaps Mayan? This is a new one on me, never knew there were any ruins/sites on the Galapagos islands. Is there any information available on this online or a book you could recommend?

Secondly, you mentioned the channel island site - do you mean the Catalina islands channel, the English channel or another channel with islands and archaeological sites? I don't know of any significant archaeological sites either on the English channel islands (including Guernsey and Jersey) nor on the Catalina islands, though the Catalinas do have very interesting pygmy mammoth finds and (perhaps) the oldest human remains ever found in the Americas, which would be pretty ODD for that old (and wrong) Bering Straits land-bridge theory that the historians love so much. If you could clear this question up for me it would help me understand. Thank you in advance,

The other thing I found interesting was the totem. I meant to ask you about this earlier but got side-tracked on other subjects, my apologies for not asking about this sooner. You know that totems are generally identified with the Pacific Northwest region, and not with the southwest. Is it a totem like those of the Pacific Northwest, or something more like the Inuuk's (stone men markers also called "Inukshuk")<Correction, inunnguaq, not Inuuk or Inukshuk which is not necessarily built in the shape of a man> built by Eskimos, Inuits etc in the Arctic? (like these)

Or something quite unlike those examples, more like the stone column-statues of Teotihuacan (in Mexico) or Tiahuanaco (in Bolivia)? (Yes I am leading towards something mentioned by Jacob Waltz as well as a few Dutch-hunters.) Thank you in advance,

Good luck and good hunting to you all, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
your friend,
Oroblanco

"first, you mentioned a Galapagos island site, perhaps Mayan? This is a new one on me, never knew there were any ruins/sites on the Galapagos islands. Is there any information available on this online or a book you could recommend? "

i totally agree ,i never knew the gal had tribes at all .. we can defind by what i have learn that this tribes or tribe was above 1500 ft and was a fishing vallage is it holds to the theories guide lines as they are so far ... this is a new one Oro even to me . i did find this



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no this data was new to me . as i stated there are new sites that are unknown to us .. what is funny this is one of the main sites

yes ,"the oldest human remains ever found in the Americas"

i dont know why they refer to this site .. i can only say they do and it dose fit the guide lines of this culture...i have past by this island dozens of time leaveing the port of SD ,cal ..

i am not confused about this being one of the sites pionted out by this culture ,, maybe we can use this guide line to check the locations around this site and in the hope to relocate other near by sites related to the culture ...

one thing i have noted , this culture coverd a large are and ties togather many diffrent tribes i felt had no relationship between them .. ,i fully agree , if it was not in writeing on the totem i would not beleive it my self ...

" more like the stone column-statues of Teotihuacan (in Mexico)"

correct it is a 4 sided stone column ,almost like the one at old chichen ...but the writeing is not the same .. it has a level of math 10 time beyond anything i have ever seen ... the only thing i can prove is it came from chicomoztoc dirrectly .. and links dozens of tribes togather . the best describtion i have found is this

" this could be used to refer to any object that provides or symbolizes group identity--"

"Lévi-Strauss looked at the ideas of Firth and Fortes, Durkheim, Malinowski, and Evans-Pritchard to reach his conclusions. Firth and Fortes argued that Totemism was based on physical or psychological similarities between the clan and the totemic animal. Malinowski proposed that it was based on empirical interest or that the totem was 'good to eat.' In other words there was rational interest in preserving the species. Finally Evans-Pritchard argued that the reason for totems was metaphoric. His work with the Nuer led him to believe that totems are a symbolic representation of the group.



....................................................


this totem shows the groups identity, it shows the location of these groups and shows their ancestory...

"Yes I am leading towards something mentioned by Jacob Waltz as well as a few Dutch-hunters."

do tell ...?

 

[somehiker]

BB:
quote--"its a shame you had another motive for makeing the reply in the frist place ...."
My "motive" is to learn more about the man from his writing.I challenge your statements in order to gage both your knowledge and your credibility.Although I believe in your service in the past as a crew member aboard the Schofield and respect you for being part of the home team,I find statements such as this confusing--
"tracking weather movements on a FFG navy ship has nothing to do with being a weather analysis and forecasting ...and in 1978 it was not in that formatt . it was given to us in lat and lon from the radioman ..."
.And this--".. ask any Quarter Master .............".
Maybe I just don't get the connection between your service and your ability to "premaniton" the track and intensity of Gustave but the fact that your visions match the official forecasts that have been available is indeed impressive,except of course your prediction of a right hook into Pensacola.We shall see.
The source of the data used in the making of the gif that I included was radar and weather balloon btw.The gif is merely a visual representation of a developing weather anomaly that allows one to follow the changes on the charts over a given time span.
The 1944 date that I gave is a supposition on my part,based on my partial knowledge of the use of radiotelemetry and radar during WWII.It may have been used for weather observation prior to 1944.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/prs-tpic/females/wvw2-ae.htm.
You are correct to question my experience,and I do admit to having only had the privilege to visit the bridge of a US warship on a couple of occasions.One being a visit and tour of CV 59 (Forrestal) in 1976 while she was at dockside in New York.I don't recall the format of any nav/weather charts that may have been on the boards at that time,however the charts in the flight briefing/ready room were familiar.
I realize that 1981 was,indeed a long time ago and memories do fade.I have some trouble at times myself remembering details from days that were anything but routine and boring.Congrats on you son's following in his father's footsteps.I'm sure that he will serve with pride and distinction.

FWAFS:SH.

 

[somehiker]

quote:"your not to far away from me in northern new york .."
"Right Arm" BB.I really like that part of the state.Spent a few weekends at Watkins Glen driving around on the hill above the village.Would sometimes treat the crew to a dinner and movie in Corning or Elmira saturday night if it was wet and miserable at the glen,which it was more often than not.A limo ride to the top,followed by a hike down the Glen trail itself was always a lot of fun.The crowds,the cars and burning greyhound buses in The Pit...It's been awhile.
SH.

 

[Cubfan64]

BB:
These guys usually have a pretty good idea of what and why.They think at this point that it's gonna go west when it hits land.
http://vortex.plymouth.edu/hur_dir/hur_pos_nt2.html
Lots of great info on this site--current and historical--and well worth the bookmark.
site link--http://vortex.plymouth.edu/
Left hand column--down--[Big mpeg loop/atlantic IR sat view] is great "big picture"view of what is going on.
Regards:SH.

i was navigation speacal ops . i tracted and DR dozens of weather fronts a week for 2 1/2 years ,, IMHO this is going stright into penniscola ,fast and hard ,, this will be a killer hurricane

as i said i dont normal prodict weater , most storms are normal events ,, this one dosent stick me that way ..

According to the current track, the hurricane is expected to go to the west of New Orleans and not aim for pensacola. BB, if it make a hard right and does what you suggest, you'll earn points in my book for the accuracy of your "visions."

 

[the blindbowman]

BB:
These guys usually have a pretty good idea of what and why.They think at this point that it's gonna go west when it hits land.
http://vortex.plymouth.edu/hur_dir/hur_pos_nt2.html
Lots of great info on this site--current and historical--and well worth the bookmark.
site link--http://vortex.plymouth.edu/
Left hand column--down--[Big mpeg loop/atlantic IR sat view] is great "big picture"view of what is going on.
Regards:SH.

i was navigation speacal ops . i tracted and DR dozens of weather fronts a week for 2 1/2 years ,, IMHO this is going stright into penniscola ,fast and hard ,, this will be a killer hurricane

as i said i dont normal prodict weater , most storms are normal events ,, this one dosent stick me that way ..

According to the current track, the hurricane is expected to go to the west of New Orleans and not aim for pensacola. BB, if it make a hard right and does what you suggest, you'll earn points in my book for the accuracy of your "visions."

if it turns it is the weather , i would have noting to do with that . i only feel i twill turn no one can control the weather , and very few can prodict its paths , there are some given traits of hurriercans ..but even then your chance of prodicting its path is lose within the odds . in this case my choice is not with the odds at all .. and if i am wrong then i can only say i try to prodict what is almost unprodictable .. so right or wrong holds no reward what so ever . if i am right people will still be in its path ...i think they have done a great job of helping people get clear of new Orleans .. smart move ..they should have done this for the whole coast line IMHO ...