Treasure Mountain, CO - Lost Frenchmens Gold

someone at work here was trimming down their stuff and had some books for which I said sure I would take. like out of a movie one day moving these books one fell open to a map of treasure stories. living in Del Norte CO I found the closest one called Lost Frenchmen Gold. so I jumped in...

my first doubt comes from where. i am fully vested in the notion that 200/300 men and 300/400 horses came into colorado as early as around 1790. I don't want to talk gold. i want to talk about the trace of this very large group in Co. That many people is a huge party for the period. just imagine the support needed for that adventure. reading here that they brought mercury with them. so from metallurgists to doctors to chefs... all of this has to have left trash and history where they camped. read some say they hung around as long as 3 years. well that is a stationary camp., a semi perma settlement. imagine the stables to house 300+ horses. i read they would escape the cold winters and head to Taos for the winter (this is conjecture as I would say that trip alone is harsh from Gunnison to Taos by horse). anyway where did this massive group stay and why for example is that camp site not a historical monument? "Here in 1789 the French..." should be on a plaque. i cannot fathom that it has not been found, evidenced, and made historic. Pike's Stockade is just some made up location, not even archeologists can find anything on that... but the largest party to ever enter western US pre1800 is just legend?

imho find the trail of human footprints first and foremost. i have found zero evidence of any french presence near wolf creek and what is called treasure mountain and treasure falls near me. not a single horse shoe or button. impossible to have that many europeans in theater and not leave a single iota of an artifact. jump over to Crested Butte farther north. Yule and other history very much implies a french presence in that area. no where in any local museum is a section reserved for "French Finds". no traces anywhere. again nothing to do with the gold, just want to find where the french camped at. I post here because I cannot find any historical items found in colorado near the San Luis Valley. this writing is more of a thought dump but also read I think a Yule found what the believe is french housing near Treasury Mt. That makes a lot more sense than around here...

finally, I am amused by this notion of hiding gold in someone else's back yard. its egotistical. the Ute knew every corner of this area so the idea europeans could hide something, like in a cave is ludicrous. altho not into gold, anywhere the french went would immediately be investigated. so you cant bury and hide anything in indian country is what I am saying. imagine me trying to bury something in your yard, I don't care how clever I think I am. "Hey why is this giant boulder now in front of this cave?". the treasure map and that lore is something I am avoiding. so much conjecture and lies apply to that side. skip that, so where the hell did the hundreds of french camp?

tldr: any and all searches on french lost treasure need to focus around the Gunnison areas and not the San Luis Valley versions. where did the French camp?
 

someone at work here was trimming down their stuff and had some books for which I said sure I would take. like out of a movie one day moving these books one fell open to a map of treasure stories. living in Del Norte CO I found the closest one called Lost Frenchmen Gold. so I jumped in...

my first doubt comes from where. i am fully vested in the notion that 200/300 men and 300/400 horses came into colorado as early as around 1790. I don't want to talk gold. i want to talk about the trace of this very large group in Co. That many people is a huge party for the period. just imagine the support needed for that adventure. reading here that they brought mercury with them. so from metallurgists to doctors to chefs... all of this has to have left trash and history where they camped. read some say they hung around as long as 3 years. well that is a stationary camp., a semi perma settlement. imagine the stables to house 300+ horses. i read they would escape the cold winters and head to Taos for the winter (this is conjecture as I would say that trip alone is harsh from Gunnison to Taos by horse). anyway where did this massive group stay and why for example is that camp site not a historical monument? "Here in 1789 the French..." should be on a plaque. i cannot fathom that it has not been found, evidenced, and made historic. Pike's Stockade is just some made up location, not even archeologists can find anything on that... but the largest party to ever enter western US pre1800 is just legend?

imho find the trail of human footprints first and foremost. i have found zero evidence of any french presence near wolf creek and what is called treasure mountain and treasure falls near me. not a single horse shoe or button. impossible to have that many europeans in theater and not leave a single iota of an artifact. jump over to Crested Butte farther north. Yule and other history very much implies a french presence in that area. no where in any local museum is a section reserved for "French Finds". no traces anywhere. again nothing to do with the gold, just want to find where the french camped at. I post here because I cannot find any historical items found in colorado near the San Luis Valley. this writing is more of a thought dump but also read I think a Yule found what the believe is french housing near Treasury Mt. That makes a lot more sense than around here...

finally, I am amused by this notion of hiding gold in someone else's back yard. its egotistical. the Ute knew every corner of this area so the idea europeans could hide something, like in a cave is ludicrous. altho not into gold, anywhere the french went would immediately be investigated. so you cant bury and hide anything in indian country is what I am saying. imagine me trying to bury something in your yard, I don't care how clever I think I am. "Hey why is this giant boulder now in front of this cave?". the treasure map and that lore is something I am avoiding. so much conjecture and lies apply to that side. skip that, so where the hell did the hundreds of french camp?

tldr: any and all searches on french lost treasure need to focus around the Gunnison areas and not the San Luis Valley versions. where did the French camp?
The Salida Record, Volume XXXI, Number 13, July 25, 1913 IIIF issue link — HUNT HIDDEN MILLIONS [ARTICLE]

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So perhaps the whole story of french men evolved from this 1913 story that used Spanish fleeing Mexico? inspired by a dream non the less.

Crow
 

Montrose Daily Press, Volume XIII, Number 75, September 29, 1921 IIIF issue link — LAKE CITY RANCHERS TO SEEK $33,000,000 FORTUNE BURIED IN TREASURE PEAK PAGOSASPGS. [ARTICLE

Merges the Spanish version and French version and now its a hidden mine.

Montrose Daily Press, Volume XIII, Number 75, September 29, 1921 IIIF issue link — LAKE CITY R...jpg


Montrose Daily Press, Volume XIII, Number 75, September 29, 1921 IIIF issue link — LAKE CITY R...jpg


Crow
 

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These old newspaper stories about lost gold are hilarious. Unfortunately, most people use them as source information for their research, especially when they are locked onto the well known and famous treasure tales. You can assume that by 100 or 200 years after the fact, any information that comes from the public domain is completely irrelevant.

That said, if you are curious about this particular topic (lost Frenchman’s gold), then you should take the time to read contemporary source information from French sources, a lot of which was posted earlier in this thread by mdog. “Something is happening but we don’t know what it is, do we, Mr. Jones?

solomon gundy is exactly on target when he asks where the hell was the French camp? The logistics involved for early large forays into terra obscura were enormous. Lots of evidence would have been left behind. Even though there would likely be considerable degradation of artifacts and structures at high elevations in southern Colorado - say, compared with the 16th century journeys by Spanish in AZ and NM - nonetheless, there should be plenty to find. My conclusion: for the most part, searchers have not been looking in the correct places due to misinformation of the details. Possibly, early French artifacts (metal, most likely) have actually been found in places that didn’t “match the stories” and were misidentified.
 

I agree with what sdcfia stated, how the most times people are looking in the wrong place due the misinformation.
IMO, the French party has not been so large as books and other articles wrote. I would say there were about 60-70 men. The camp should be made, close to a permanent water source with plenty of wood around and close as possible to the mine.
As I wrote in a previous post in this thread, from my research ( by reading the LeBlanc map ), i came to the conclusion the French cache it's not in the Treasure Mountain but somewhere else close to the south end of Sheep Mountain. So, the proper place to set camp close to that region, would been the small valley north of the junction of the San Juan river with Wolf Creek.
 

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this is my single favorite and most liked article regarding Lost Frenchie Gold: https://web.archive.org/web/20120814001208/http://www.coloradovacation.com/history/treasuremtn.html and this the last paragraphs are SUPER important imho:

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Now most folks would think that this was just a great story... in fact ky Uncle Lee Osborn spent many summers looking for the lost "Spanish Gold". He was a dowser and had a real knack for tracking down ore of various kinds. That is where I first heard the tale. Many years later I worked with a master electrician while building the new International Airport in Denver. Maynard Cornet Adams, the great great grandson of one of the surviving members of the French expedition.

Maynard wrote a book called Treasure Mountain, in his book this story is laid out in magnificent detail. He too has looked for many years trying to find the artifacts associated with the story. One day he brought to work some pictures of trees with a blaze cut into them. Several years prior to that project I worked as a surveyor for a man who was nearly 80 years old. He explained the use of bearing trees to me and told me a long time ago there were two types of markings used. One had stemmed from French Masonry and the other from English masons. The French masons had used a classic marking that I recognized.

I told Maynard how to interpret the signs and Maynard the next summer went right to the original French campsite. There he found the stone corral they kept their horses and mules in, a stone hearth and the smelter they refined the gold in. Last I knew he still hadn't found the gold but several artifacts did surface. Coins, buttons and belt buckles that sort of thing.

Maynard retired several years ago and I believe he and his wife live in Fort Lupton Colorado about 30 miles north of Denver. I haven't seen him in all that time but if you find him he'd be the expert. He researched the story with the French archives in Paris and the Spanish archives in Madrid." [end quote]

if you google Le Blanc Expedition it says there is no historical proof yet above I find a very compelling likelihood that this mission did exist. there are artifacts but I cannot find any submitted to any museum etc.
 

Here is another GE image of the spot I have found by decoding the Le Blanc map. The first image I posted is in the previous page of this thread.
 

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I can’t imagine how difficult it was to seriously research these tales and legends before microfiche newspaper archives became widespread in public libraries in the 1950’s.
 

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