cactusjumper
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Gossamer,
Here is the drawing:
Joe
Here is the drawing:
Joe
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cactusjumper
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On the other hand, I am eating a snack right now. Talk about focus! Any idea what it is?
Joe
Joe
Parlor tricks aren't my forte'... which that is what you just asked me to do.
Ok, back to real... basically Joe, what I'm getting from you, is you don't really have that mind set of military discipline to try this method.... Hey I get that... its why I did't practice it when first introduced to it.
Any of you big boys, actually wanna see if this can/does work for you? I'm game.
There is a 4 Star General (former captive) that swears by the 'process' but its not tarot cards and no one reads your mind. One of the hinderences to getting good at this is being able to set aside intuition especially when learning.
Its cool, Joe... been there.
But I pick the targets, or I have someone give me blind ones.
Janiece
Ok, back to real... basically Joe, what I'm getting from you, is you don't really have that mind set of military discipline to try this method.... Hey I get that... its why I did't practice it when first introduced to it.
Any of you big boys, actually wanna see if this can/does work for you? I'm game.
There is a 4 Star General (former captive) that swears by the 'process' but its not tarot cards and no one reads your mind. One of the hinderences to getting good at this is being able to set aside intuition especially when learning.
Its cool, Joe... been there.
But I pick the targets, or I have someone give me blind ones.
Janiece
cactusjumper
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Gossamer,
You are mistaken here. I did the test with an open mind and was focused on the drawing for about ten minutes before you said you were ready. At that point I continued to focus on each item in a clockwise fashon mentally speaking the name of the object as I looked at it. I continued that process until you came back to let me know you had received something.
I don't disbelieve in this gift/skill. I don't believe that just because someone believes/claims they have it, that they do. I don't know why you said "parlor game", but it was you who suggested the excercise, and accepted my premise.
I was very focused on sending you the drawings. I will be happy to practice and do it any way you suggest.
I chose the stickman with his left arm raised and the right by his side, because I felt that woud be something you would easily relate to.
I believe you have me wrong on my purpose for this excercise. Beyond that, it was a banana.
I am willing to try again.
Take care,
Joe
You are mistaken here. I did the test with an open mind and was focused on the drawing for about ten minutes before you said you were ready. At that point I continued to focus on each item in a clockwise fashon mentally speaking the name of the object as I looked at it. I continued that process until you came back to let me know you had received something.
I don't disbelieve in this gift/skill. I don't believe that just because someone believes/claims they have it, that they do. I don't know why you said "parlor game", but it was you who suggested the excercise, and accepted my premise.
I was very focused on sending you the drawings. I will be happy to practice and do it any way you suggest.
I chose the stickman with his left arm raised and the right by his side, because I felt that woud be something you would easily relate to.
I believe you have me wrong on my purpose for this excercise. Beyond that, it was a banana.
I am willing to try again.
Take care,
Joe
Joe I did get the wave... but if you go back to my posting about how to learn this process, it is very specific about how it was going to work, so I found your lighthearted 'challenge' just that. If you had read the post and wanted to take control and see if you could control the outcome, I played.
The post stated that it would be a set of protocals, their word, not mine.
I get that you don't believe in this, and I'm not trying to prove anything to you... some mentioned they wanted to try it... I have the time at the moment and was going to pull out the material and do my best. But it is NOTHING like what BB has described. Think more along the lines of a speed reading course or something along those lines.
If this isn't your kinda stuff, its ok. Anyone that wants to try it elsewise let me know.
Enjoy your snack, I understand about not believing.
Janiece
The post stated that it would be a set of protocals, their word, not mine.
I get that you don't believe in this, and I'm not trying to prove anything to you... some mentioned they wanted to try it... I have the time at the moment and was going to pull out the material and do my best. But it is NOTHING like what BB has described. Think more along the lines of a speed reading course or something along those lines.
If this isn't your kinda stuff, its ok. Anyone that wants to try it elsewise let me know.
Enjoy your snack, I understand about not believing.
Janiece
cactusjumper
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Gossamer,
Once again, I don't disbelieve. In fact, I firmly do believe that some people are able to do remote viewing. If you wanted to set it up another way, you should have refused my "parlor trick" and proceeded with your protocols.
In reality, it is my "kinda stuff". In fact, I have done some research over the years into such "paranormal" things. The wave was the least simple of my drawings. Other than using 1-10, I don't see how it could have been much easier.
I will bow out of this test now, and make room for the "big boys".
Thank you for your efforts.
Take care,
Joe
Once again, I don't disbelieve. In fact, I firmly do believe that some people are able to do remote viewing. If you wanted to set it up another way, you should have refused my "parlor trick" and proceeded with your protocols.
In reality, it is my "kinda stuff". In fact, I have done some research over the years into such "paranormal" things. The wave was the least simple of my drawings. Other than using 1-10, I don't see how it could have been much easier.
I will bow out of this test now, and make room for the "big boys".
Thank you for your efforts.
Take care,
Joe
Joe said If you wanted to set it up another way, you should have refused my "parlor trick" and proceeded with your protocols.
All I asked was that you allow me to show the protocols, because at this present moment, I don't recall them specifically.
But I did state, in the email and the one before thisone, I PICK THE TARGET.
So what would you have me do, when you pick a trick and ask me to respond. You obviously hadn't read the instructions or wanted to allow me to set the protocols, and I'm using that word to set the mind.
Take responsibility, when you send me a public email, baiting me... come on, it is what it is.
Part of this skill set, is letting your pre-set ways go... I was very specific. I was also not demeaning, just teasing. I also wanted to know how and who the group responded.
Yes, you have a curiosity, and intelligence to make it work, but you are going to have to give up ALL control. You've spent all day, trying to get control.
I looked it up, and now I know why they use that word.
Janiece
PS Protocol=3 a : a code prescribing strict adherence to correct etiquette and precedence (as in diplomatic exchange and in the military services) b : a set of conventions governing the treatment and especially the formatting of data in an electronic communications system
4 : a detailed plan of a scientific or medical experiment, treatment, or procedure
All I asked was that you allow me to show the protocols, because at this present moment, I don't recall them specifically.
But I did state, in the email and the one before thisone, I PICK THE TARGET.
So what would you have me do, when you pick a trick and ask me to respond. You obviously hadn't read the instructions or wanted to allow me to set the protocols, and I'm using that word to set the mind.
Take responsibility, when you send me a public email, baiting me... come on, it is what it is.
Part of this skill set, is letting your pre-set ways go... I was very specific. I was also not demeaning, just teasing. I also wanted to know how and who the group responded.
Yes, you have a curiosity, and intelligence to make it work, but you are going to have to give up ALL control. You've spent all day, trying to get control.
I looked it up, and now I know why they use that word.
Janiece
PS Protocol=3 a : a code prescribing strict adherence to correct etiquette and precedence (as in diplomatic exchange and in the military services) b : a set of conventions governing the treatment and especially the formatting of data in an electronic communications system
4 : a detailed plan of a scientific or medical experiment, treatment, or procedure
Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp
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HI Gossi LUV: I notice that there is a very close similarity to Joe's figures. In my telepathy experiments I found that the sender had to be very good in visualization for the receiver to get a precise representation, in this case, I would suggest that you hit a very close symbolization. You do have talent, and Joe needs to start concentrating better hehhe..
A single cold test such as this is not really representative of your ability, but shows very high possibilities, go go gal..
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hi CARL, Yes to minimize, not "ELIMINATE" , hence all such tests are subject to question and intimate review, especially when the emotional/mental/physical aspects of the people are involved. In this type of case, it is impossible to do so. Even if all try to the best of their ability to be impartial or to succeed, it is still impossible, due to what you called "self delusional beliefs" triggered by perhaps the subconscience from a past experience or reading, or even in being subjected to a feeling of inferiority because of present surrounding and type or attitude of the testers. Hence any conclusions based upon pure statistics in this type of test, is at best a semi-educated guess.
For a dowsing test to be "VALID", the SAME dowser should be subjected to a "large" no. of tests in the same exact manner in many different conditions and under (A) all testers that believe in Dowsing , (B) All of those that do not, plus (C) an equally divided group. Only under these conditions can one draw a "reasonable" idea.
Anything less is completely unacceptable as true Scientific testing since we are dealing with a complex interwoven group of Psychlogical as well a Physiological feeds all modulating each other.. Any of which can be altered easily by the present testing conditions.
Incidentally, please do not continue to post the same past flawed results which in no way can be considered as truly scientific, unless you have set up a very low set of standards for yourself..
Tropical Tramp
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Don Jose de La Mancha
A single cold test such as this is not really representative of your ability, but shows very high possibilities, go go gal..
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A quote from one of my past posts--->
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hi CARL, Yes to minimize, not "ELIMINATE" , hence all such tests are subject to question and intimate review, especially when the emotional/mental/physical aspects of the people are involved. In this type of case, it is impossible to do so. Even if all try to the best of their ability to be impartial or to succeed, it is still impossible, due to what you called "self delusional beliefs" triggered by perhaps the subconscience from a past experience or reading, or even in being subjected to a feeling of inferiority because of present surrounding and type or attitude of the testers. Hence any conclusions based upon pure statistics in this type of test, is at best a semi-educated guess.
For a dowsing test to be "VALID", the SAME dowser should be subjected to a "large" no. of tests in the same exact manner in many different conditions and under (A) all testers that believe in Dowsing , (B) All of those that do not, plus (C) an equally divided group. Only under these conditions can one draw a "reasonable" idea.
Anything less is completely unacceptable as true Scientific testing since we are dealing with a complex interwoven group of Psychlogical as well a Physiological feeds all modulating each other.. Any of which can be altered easily by the present testing conditions.
Incidentally, please do not continue to post the same past flawed results which in no way can be considered as truly scientific, unless you have set up a very low set of standards for yourself..
Tropical Tramp
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Don Jose de La Mancha
Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp
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HI, LOOK FOR SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION, NOT PRECISE REPLICAS. YOU ARE DEFINITELY IN THE BALL PARK jANIECE.'
It would be fun and interesting to work with you gal.
Don Jose de La Mancha
p.s. Yes peeps, I agree. the first 8 symbol would ift "8" better, but it also fits the "@" in the basic impression.
It would be fun and interesting to work with you gal.
Don Jose de La Mancha
p.s. Yes peeps, I agree. the first 8 symbol would ift "8" better, but it also fits the "@" in the basic impression.
Don Jose, I recognize the universality of symbols. This IMO was too broad to actually reflect any baseline for study, and certainly not for the study I wanted to make with RVing.
Actually I think its dead opposite, I used universal keyboard symbols, randomly, yes I did think upon them, but who knows what I would have written in a more controlled environment. Therein' lay the rub... I don't want to be part of any social debate on the hits or misses of intuition. dowsing ... or spirit dancing. All of which I like, and believe are possible.
You guys actually wanted to have a run at this ... but NOBODY but myself and participant will decern the results if there are any actual results.
I pick the targets. That's the last time I will say that.
Actually, I found going thru the info yesterday that all of the targets in my packet are intact. So they will be used in the blind study.
If you want to be part of this, lets play... you will be sent the lessons as laid out in the presentation. Target will not be opened unitil each person has gone thru the gestalt lesson, hard and soft targets and some practise. This kit is a six week long exercise, but I'm trying to figure a way to down size and be able to send drawings to whomever would like to participate. You have to be able to send me drawings in order to participate in PM.
I will not disclose to any other person each individuals results, if as we go along you do decide you want to share, I would like to know about it, so I have no uncomfortable quesitons and answers.
This exercise, while I'm a novice, I have seen it work, but getting used to the ideograms and gestalts and protocols. Its like learning a new card game.
You are not playing with or aganinst anyone. Some will have good and bad days, but those are yours to figure out.
There really is no time limit on the first of the lessons.
I will return answers to questions in PM.
You must say you want to do this in PM.
OK ... game on.
Janiece has spoken
Actually I think its dead opposite, I used universal keyboard symbols, randomly, yes I did think upon them, but who knows what I would have written in a more controlled environment. Therein' lay the rub... I don't want to be part of any social debate on the hits or misses of intuition. dowsing ... or spirit dancing. All of which I like, and believe are possible.
You guys actually wanted to have a run at this ... but NOBODY but myself and participant will decern the results if there are any actual results.
I pick the targets. That's the last time I will say that.
Actually, I found going thru the info yesterday that all of the targets in my packet are intact. So they will be used in the blind study.
If you want to be part of this, lets play... you will be sent the lessons as laid out in the presentation. Target will not be opened unitil each person has gone thru the gestalt lesson, hard and soft targets and some practise. This kit is a six week long exercise, but I'm trying to figure a way to down size and be able to send drawings to whomever would like to participate. You have to be able to send me drawings in order to participate in PM.
I will not disclose to any other person each individuals results, if as we go along you do decide you want to share, I would like to know about it, so I have no uncomfortable quesitons and answers.
This exercise, while I'm a novice, I have seen it work, but getting used to the ideograms and gestalts and protocols. Its like learning a new card game.
You are not playing with or aganinst anyone. Some will have good and bad days, but those are yours to figure out.
There really is no time limit on the first of the lessons.
I will return answers to questions in PM.
You must say you want to do this in PM.
OK ... game on.
Janiece
has spoken
Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp
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GO GO GUYS, I am.
Don Jose de La Mancha
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Greetings friends,
Cactusjumper wrote:
Well my reliance on Morehouse was as a source who claims to be adept at the practice, who says it is POSSIBLE, yet even this source says it is fraught with the chance of imagination/error. Besides, if one believes that angels exist, why should one be surprised to run into one?
This has been precipitated by my use of the term remote viewing, to describe the methods used by Blindbowman to obtain information that is not available by other means. He does not use that term, instead he uses shamanistic terms and might be doing something more akin to “spirit walking” in which the practitioner is able to converse with long-dead ancestors, birds, animals etc. I keep referring to his methods as remote viewing, as that is the closest semi-scientific practice that I can relate to. I don’t know if spirit walking works or if it is something that occurs entirely within the head. I am not able to do either so can’t address whether they work or how accurate any results might be from personal experience.
Cactusjumper also wrote:
I don’t recall saying that you were a bit off amigo, what I do recall saying was that you were fully capable of speaking for yourself, like Blindbowman, who seems to have left us here. If I said that you were a bit off, my apologies and I will happily remove such statements.
Springfield wrote:
Wow I have never heard of this differentiation – would you mind enlightening me? Thank you in advance,
I do wonder what another person might detect by remote viewing the Superstition mountains, if it would be something like what Blindbowman desribed or something different?
Good luck and good hunting, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco
Cactusjumper wrote:
Well my reliance on Morehouse was as a source who claims to be adept at the practice, who says it is POSSIBLE, yet even this source says it is fraught with the chance of imagination/error. Besides, if one believes that angels exist, why should one be surprised to run into one?
This has been precipitated by my use of the term remote viewing, to describe the methods used by Blindbowman to obtain information that is not available by other means. He does not use that term, instead he uses shamanistic terms and might be doing something more akin to “spirit walking” in which the practitioner is able to converse with long-dead ancestors, birds, animals etc. I keep referring to his methods as remote viewing, as that is the closest semi-scientific practice that I can relate to. I don’t know if spirit walking works or if it is something that occurs entirely within the head. I am not able to do either so can’t address whether they work or how accurate any results might be from personal experience.
Cactusjumper also wrote:
I don’t recall saying that you were a bit off amigo, what I do recall saying was that you were fully capable of speaking for yourself, like Blindbowman, who seems to have left us here. If I said that you were a bit off, my apologies and I will happily remove such statements.
Springfield wrote:
Wow I have never heard of this differentiation – would you mind enlightening me? Thank you in advance,
I do wonder what another person might detect by remote viewing the Superstition mountains, if it would be something like what Blindbowman desribed or something different?
Good luck and good hunting, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco
Springfield
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Oroblanco said:
Sure. Chicken soup reincarnation focusses on the individual soul being reincarnated over and over again retaining his unique identity each time. Each seperate soul starts from scratch and wiggles his way upwards where he meets all other seperate souls eventually. Like chicken soup - you have pieces of chicken, pieces of rice, pieces of this and pieces of that that boiling about in creation. The split pea soup type is more like a mass-consciousness explanation where on some level we all experience each others' individual lives simultaneously (once you eliminate the time factor). You are me, I am you. Like split pea soup - it's all one mass of the same goo. With the first type, only one of us was Cleopatra. With the second type, we were all Cleopatra.
Springfield that is priceless... I have had hypnotic regression and have tried other things... so far, I was a 14 yr old American Indian on the plains, part of a massacre. I have a very small memory of standing on a porch in the south, dressed as a belle.
I have more memories of a theatre in London and some really tragic events. One other I cannot figure out, during what I can only call the Arthurian times, being a clever servant of what some would call a magician.
Janiece
I have more memories of a theatre in London and some really tragic events. One other I cannot figure out, during what I can only call the Arthurian times, being a clever servant of what some would call a magician.
Janiece
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i am working on something ,,, ill let you know whats up when i finish....
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HOLA mi amigo Springfield and everyone,
Thank you for the explanation, a very easy way to understand the two differing ideas. I still don't know if I can believe in it, and the split-pea soup version is rather disturbing if you think about it. Not that the idea of being a little bit Cleopatra (my favorite Egyptian queen) bothers me, but it would also mean that we are all part Hitler, Mengele, Stalin, or even Khomeini. Yuck! The idea of "recycling" the energy of a life-force does make sense, nature seems to waste nothing and for a lost life-force to simply cease to exist would be a waste of natural resources.
Gossamer, I look forward to hearing of your results. Glad to see that you have not left us Blindbowman, and also look forward to hearing of your results as well.
Oroblanco
Thank you for the explanation, a very easy way to understand the two differing ideas. I still don't know if I can believe in it, and the split-pea soup version is rather disturbing if you think about it. Not that the idea of being a little bit Cleopatra (my favorite Egyptian queen) bothers me, but it would also mean that we are all part Hitler, Mengele, Stalin, or even Khomeini. Yuck! The idea of "recycling" the energy of a life-force does make sense, nature seems to waste nothing and for a lost life-force to simply cease to exist would be a waste of natural resources.
Gossamer, I look forward to hearing of your results. Glad to see that you have not left us Blindbowman, and also look forward to hearing of your results as well.
Oroblanco
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Oroblanco said:
"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players"
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