The Coconut Fibers are the Key to this hunt

[Charlie P. (NY)]

https://www.google.com/maps/place/T...2!3m1!1s0x14584587ac8f291b:0x810c2f3fa2a52424

They look four sided but weathered to me. Five if you count the base. The outer casings are mostly missing.

Can't really say the Pharaoniic Egyptians were less advanced. Did they have lootings, "reality" shows and Kardashians? They may have been far past us in everything except metallurgy and electronics.

Here's an article on their construction from a reliable source:

How to Build a Pyramid - Archaeology Magazine Archive

 

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[New Gold]

Charlie did you even open the link I posted? The Great Pyramid of Giza is eight sided. This was only recently discovered. It is not arguable.

 

[Old Silver]

Or the question is simple enough to have multiple possible answers. As I said, I don't think that we can ever know for sure exactly which method was used, but if we can come up with multiple methods that could have worked...

Oh but wait a minute. I thought you said we shouldn't go by what simply COULD HAVE BEEN. What has changed here?

If you're only going to skim my posts, you may not want to respond to them. Nice sidestep in any event.

Did you, or did you not, say that? So much for side stepping. Sir, I assure you, you don't know how those Pyramids were built. We simply can't do it today.

Cite sources, please.

Why, so you can pooh on it? Okay, have you ever heard of Chris Dunn?

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I did open the link.

Are you married?

Things sag. 4,000 years of gravity working on a pile of rocks, or anything, will cause them to settle. The photoshopped images from your suspect link site do not seem to be as apparant on the Google Earth link (did you open?) of the satellite overhead taken a few years ago that I posted. And the outer casing has been removed/slid off so we can only speculate how the outer surfaces were shaped.

 

[Eldo]

Templar carvings found in Yarmouth Nova Scotia.

No other theory comes close to being as compelling as the Templar theory.

I dont know........seems that some of these marks may be from St Brendan 'The Navigator'......the cross especially in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia

because the four drilled hole marks are navigational marks surrounding a Christian Cross, an Irish Cross......of a priest, not a Templar Knights order.....notice the elongated lower branch pf the cross.

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The Templars were using a squared cross that had four even sides....as their encryption came from the ancient books of the Flower of Life, the Books of Enoch, and others that were all centered around old Kabbalah and the arts of geometry, building, and navigation

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[Dave Rishar]

Assuming that you mean in the Atlantic Basin, because an Atlantic origin is not a possibility, then,
Yes!!!

There are a few experts that believe an American origin is possible, but this would be a Pacific coast American origin. Most current research though, points to the Western Pacific.

Can you cite sources on this? It doesn't particularly concern me either way, but I am curious.

You said it "Vinland was farthest of all", a new beginning far away from the Church, at least for awhile. Iceland was all Norse and Greenland had some 4000 Norse inhabitants, all in the prime areas.
Oh and lets not forget that the Norse were, by the 14th century, "Christian", and that would be Catholic Christian.

"Christian," yes...although I think that you'll find that their version of Christianity was quite a bit different than what was being practiced anywhere else, and that they had little concern or care for what was going on in Europe. Again, if any of them even knew what Templars were, they wouldn't have cared. Greenland is a similar case, although more extreme.

The institution of a Christian church in Iceland was actually a bit of a sham when one reads deeply into it. How it came to be and what it eventually became actually make for a bit of unintended hilarity.

Dave, the great pyramid is eight sided. This is only apparent from the air and only on the equinoxes.

The Great 8-Sided Pyramid | The Mind Unleashed

I'm sure that themindunleased.org is a website beyond reproach, but I went ahead and looked at some other pictures anyway.



Again, I'm not seeing it. I can see it in a few photos of questionable pedigree that may or may not have been tampered with, but I can't find it on Google Earth. Is Google Earth perpetrating a coverup?

The purpose of the design was to highlight the equinoxes... You honestly believe this was done by a civilization less advanced than us?

Seeing as how the people that built it only had copper tools (your words, not mine), then yes. The butter knives in my drawer perform better than copper ones would. Horses are great, but I prefer automobiles. The khopesh sword is still a bit of a mystery but if it was more efficient than the M-16, then our military would be using khopesh swords. The pyramids are impressive, but I've seen no ruins of skyscrapers. Yes, I think that we are technologically more advanced. Culturally? The word is still out on that.

A quick google search of "advanced machining great pyramid" will reveal a bevy of photographic evidence suggesting whoever built the pyramids had advanced mechanical technology and know-how.

Yet "advanced machining" would not have been necessary to do this and still meet the schedule. I really don't understand the idea that people were cave-dwelling savages a few thousand years ago. They had the same brains that we have now. Every genius of today had an analog back then, the only difference being that there wasn't the same store of accumulated knowledge to work from. We went from the theory of nuclear fission to transiting under the polar icecap in a nuclear-powered submarine in twenty years, yet few seriously believe that gods or aliens were involved. Do you really think so poorly of humanity?

Loki already stated that the carbon dated samples ranged from 1200-1400.

Carbon dating may be imprecise to a degree, but only by a hundred or so years in either direction.

And?

The coconut fibres were dug up by the current Oak Island team in the exact spot they were supposed to be.

This is after multiple excavations of the beach.

Loki's Templar theory is set in the fourteenth century which lines up perfectly with the coconut fibres.

And? (Presumably the 3.5 tons earlier was not all of it.)

By itself this is not very compelling. Add in the rest of the Templar connections and it starts to get very compelling.

Only if you go into it with the idea that Templars were involved, and disregard some of the evidence that's currently believed to be solid. When one attempts to solve a problem with the solution already in mind, it should not come as a surprise that that's the answer that's usually arrived at. As I said earlier, a lot of people are working the problem backwards.

Most of those connections have been debunked or are fairly questionable, but I'm curious about:

Templar coin discovered on the island.

This is a new one to me. Please tell me more about this.

Oh but wait a minute. I thought you said we shouldn't go by what simply COULD HAVE BEEN. What has changed here?

The difference is that you don't have a treasure, but I do have a pyramid. Since we have a pyramid, it's perfectly reasonable to try to figure out how it was built. There are a few theories that work.

When you find a treasure, I will be more than happy to discuss how it could have gotten there, and where it may have came from. Deal?

Sir, I assure you, you don't know how those Pyramids were built. We simply can't do it today.

No, I'm pretty sure that we can.

Why, so you can pooh on it? Okay, have you ever heard of Chris Dunn?

If I poo on a questionable source, take it up with the source rather than me. I don't poo on sources that I can't poke holes in.

This Chris Dunn?

Christopher Dunn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I dont know........seems that some of these marks may be from St Brendan 'The Navigator'......the cross especially in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia

because the four drilled hole marks are navigational marks surrounding a Christian Cross, an Irish Cross......of a priest, not a Templar Knights order.....notice the elongated lower branch pf the cross.

View attachment 1093221

The Templars were using a squared cross that had four even sides....as their encryption came from the ancient books of the Flower of Life, the Books of Enoch, and others that were all centered around old Kabbalah and the arts of geometry, building, and navigation

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Those etchings are looking rather good for their age. I would not expect them to look that good after 1500 years, give or take.

And why bring up the Templars at all if this was Brendan's?

 

[Old Silver]

The difference is that you don't have a treasure, but I do have a pyramid. Since we have a pyramid, it's perfectly reasonable to try to figure out how it was built. There are a few theories that work.

When you find a treasure, I will be more than happy to discuss how it could have gotten there, and where it may have came from. Deal?

You misunderstand. I was referring to what you've been saying about Oak Island. Believe me, you've lost all credibility with me concerning the Great Pyramid.

If I poo on a questionable source, take it up with the source rather than me. I don't poo on sources that I can't poke holes in.

This Chris Dunn?

Christopher Dunn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This was actually my post. And I say you are wrong. Some times you pooh because you just need a good poohing. Whatever makes you feel better, I guess.

But yes, that seems to be the Chris Dunn I'm referring to. Pooh away.

 

[Old Silver]

Sir, I assure you, you don't know how those Pyramids were built. We simply can't do it today.

No, I'm pretty sure that we can.

This too was my quote. You keep getting your quoters mixed up. You can be pretty sure if you like, but the facts are still intact.

 

[Dave Rishar]

You misunderstand. I was referring to what you've been saying about Oak Island. Believe me, you've lost all credibility with me concerning the Great Pyramid.

Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. You'll be doing me a favor by proving it. Pick my argument apart. Show me the little details. I only ask that you present me with evidence that I can't pick apart in turn. If it's good stuff that a reasonable person wouldn't have a problem with believing, I'll believe it. You'll find that there's plenty that I believe in, as there's plenty that I can't pick apart.

This was actually my post. And I say you are wrong. Some times you pooh because you just need a good poohing. Whatever makes you feel better, I guess.

See above.

But yes, that seems to be the Chris Dunn I'm referring to. Pooh away.

You're an intelligent person. Do I even need to poo on this? Is it worth my time to do so, and your time to read what I have to say? I suspect that you already know what I'd say and why I'd say it. In that case, does it even need to be said?

 

[Dave Rishar]

This too was my quote. You keep getting your quoters mixed up. You can be pretty sure if you like, but the facts are still intact.

Wait, what?

 

[Old Silver]

Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. You'll be doing me a favor by proving it. Pick my argument apart. Show me the little details. I only ask that you present me with evidence that I can't pick apart in turn. If it's good stuff that a reasonable person wouldn't have a problem with believing, I'll believe it. You'll find that there's plenty that I believe in, as there's plenty that I can't pick apart.

You keep misunderstanding. It's YOU who proved yourself wrong. You were saying before that things are not to be accepted just because they COULD BE true. Now you use the "could be" for your own arguments.
I know there's plenty you can't pick apart. I just don't think you actually know that.

You're an intelligent person. Do I even need to poo on this? Is it worth my time to do so, and your time to read what I have to say? I suspect that you already know what I'd say and why I'd say it. In that case, does it even need to be said?

Yeah, I have a pretty good Idea what you would say, and an even better Idea WHY. Forget this guy is a professional in his field, he doesn't say what you want to hear, what you've been led to believe your whole life. Same as what we've all been led to believe. But there is more to some things than what we were led to believe.

 

[Old Silver]

Wait, what?

You say you're pretty sure we can build the Pyramid today. I guess you would say that, since you think it was laid out by 4 pieces of rope. It was not.

 

[lokiblossom]

Can you cite sources on this? It doesn't particularly concern me either way, but I am curious.



"Christian," yes...although I think that you'll find that their version of Christianity was quite a bit different than what was being practiced anywhere else, and that they had little concern or care for what was going on in Europe. Again, if any of them even knew what Templars were, they wouldn't have cared. Greenland is a similar case, although more extreme.

The institution of a Christian church in Iceland was actually a bit of a sham when one reads deeply into it. How it came to be and what it eventually became...

What I had indicated was that in 1307 the Catholic Church was in control of Iceland. You had asked why the Templars would not have set up their fortress in Iceland didn't you? The reason was that the Church they were running from was firmly in control of that country. It doesn't matter what it became later, although as a Lutheran myself I can tell you there isn't much difference between the two.

Yeah, I can cite sources for my statement that Coconut fibres were not introduced to the Atlantic Basin before 1500, although I already did in one of my first post on here. One source (there are many) is a book authored by Charles Clement, Daniel Zizumbo-Villarreal, Cecil Brown, Alessandro alves-Pereira and Hugh Harries, published in 2013 and called "Coconuts in the Americas: it has been clearly established that the Portuguese introduced coconuts to the Cape Verde Islands in 1499, and these supplied the Atlantic Coasts and the Caribbean in the 1500's."
Loki

 

[New Gold]

Dave, I googled "great pyramid eight sided" and themindunleashed was the first website that came up.

You will find that many different websites have reported on this phenomenon.

It has not attracted much mainstream attention as archeologists have a hard time explaining it.

Each side of the pyramid is ever so slightly pulled inward. It is only noticeable on the equinoxes as one half of one side will be shaded while the other is bathed in sunlight.

It is meant to highlight the equinoxes while also highlighting the duality of life.

Anyone who has truly studied the pyramids knows that we are incapable of building them today.

The pyramids were in all likelihood built before the egyptians some twelve thousand years ago.

They most likely survived the great deluge.

Your universities tell me that the pyramids were tombs, yet not a single mummy was ever found in the pyramids.

An empty granite sarcophagus is what led egyptologists to conclude that they were tombs.

This sarcophagus is the exact dimensions required to seat the ark of the covenant, as described in the bible.

Also Dave, you are messing up your quotes and it's confusing me.

 

[New Gold]

I dont know........seems that some of these marks may be from St Brendan 'The Navigator'......the cross especially in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia

because the four drilled hole marks are navigational marks surrounding a Christian Cross, an Irish Cross......of a priest, not a Templar Knights order.....notice the elongated lower branch pf the cross.

View attachment 1093221

The Templars were using a squared cross that had four even sides....as their encryption came from the ancient books of the Flower of Life, the Books of Enoch, and others that were all centered around old Kabbalah and the arts of geometry, building, and navigation

View attachment 1093237

I think the four drilled holes are there to serve a purpose. Probably so that the carver could be sure that his carving was properly oriented and even.

The lower branch of the cross is only slightly longer. Probably a small error on the part of the carver. It was probably done in a hurry and without proper tools, on a granite surface nonetheless.

Notice how in the picture you posted every one of those cross designs includes flared ends? This is the true characterization of the templar design.

The carving includes flared ends.

PS The celtic cross also finds its roots in Kabbalah All crosses do.

A celtic cross should have a circle inside surrounding the intersection. A circle surrounding the entire cross is reminiscent of a templar design. It probably comes from the image of the cross on a templar shield.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

It has not attracted much mainstream attention as archaeologists have a hard time explaining it.

It is and others were tombs. Explained.

Each side of the pyramid is ever so slightly pulled inward. It is only noticeable on the equinoxes as one half of one side will be shaded while the other is bathed in sunlight.

One out of the eighty known pyramids has this feature on the stones that were under the cover/face stones (which have been mostly removed). The caliph Al Manun ransacked the Great Pyramid in 832 AD and tore apart passages until reaching the King’s Chamber. But found it had already been looted(Greeks? Romans? Egyptians?). If a filled-in hole in Nova Scotia attracts treasure seekers think of the draw a tomb that size had! Most of the coverstones of the three at Giza were carted off to build Cairo. Which means they weren't too large to manage,and also we don’t know exactly what the “finished” dimensions of the pyramids were. The blocks that have been measured are +/-58mm Which is pretty darned amazing, but not “paper thin clearances”. That’s about 2-1/4”. Certainly achievable with modern techniques. We have aqueducts locally built for the Erie Canal in the 1820’s that are astonishing and probably are ¼” clearance. Still watertight!

I tis meant to highlight the equinoxes while also highlighting the duality of life.

Read this on the label or do you have the owner's manual?

Anyone who has truly studied the pyramids knows that we are incapable of building them today.

Like a rocket capable of reaching the moon or a ship built using the construction techniques of the Titanic? We can't make a Stradivari violin. I don't think we could build the Erie Canal now, either. Or the Transcontinental Railroad.

The pyramids were in all likelihood built before the egyptians some twelve thousand years ago.

More likely no likelihood of that at all. 4,600 years to 3,500 years before present. You can see their development in work looking at the various pyramids. The slight concavity may be because they learned from the Step and Bulged (and Red) pyramids that bowed out and built to compensate. Khufu’s – you'r “eight sided” is older than Khafre’s (The one in the middle with some covering stones left). The more recent has flat sides. They learned how to build them right by building them. The Egyptians were every bit as intelligent (or more) than us. They just had to learn. Menkaure’s (smallest of the “famous three”) is the most recent at 2504 BC for time of death. We know their period or reign so it’s silly to think we lost 10,000 years in aging them. And, Menkaure was found in his pyramid in 1835 by Richard Vyse. The sarcophagi and mummy are on the bottom of the Mediterranean in the Beatrice –lost in 1838. Now THERE is a known missing treasure

They most likely survived the great deluge.

OK. I’ll bite. What great deluge?

Your universities tell me that the pyramids were tombs, yet not a single mummy was ever found in the pyramids.

Queen Sesheshet was found in a pyramid that had been buried in sand and went unnoticed – near Cairo. We don’t find them because the priests of the Middle Kingdom removed then when the looting was getting ahead of them and switched to burying less obvious tombs in the Valley of the Kings. Leave a gold bar in the Washington Monument and it probably won’t still be there in 2,000 years.

An empty granite sarcophagus is what led egyptologists to conclude that they were tombs.

Sarcophagi. Plural in many cases. They had wives (or husbands!)

This sarcophagus is the exact dimensions required to seat the ark of the covenant,as described in the bible.

The Ark (Exodus 40:20) was 45” L x 27” H x 27”W. They could have had two in there! If you believe in the Ark you should also believe that very bad things happen to non-Jews who possess it. We may all die of fatal hemorrhoids like the Philistines if they pull it out of Oak Island.

Whew!

 

[Eldo]

The Ark (Exodus 40:20) was 45” L x 27” H x 27”W. They could have had two in there! If you believe in the Ark you should also believe that very bad things happen to non-Jews who possess it. We may all die of fatal hemorrhoids like the Philistines if they pull it out of Oak Island.

Whew!

Right....Historians and their passed down tales......LOL

The ark was an Egyptian Artifact, given to the Pharaohs from their past meetings with their 'Gods'.......they instructed them to build the Pyramids, and to place these temples there to resonate a certain Orgone energy of life throughout the planet

This temple was a resonator, and the Jews found this out when the Tat Brotherhood was formed in Egypt, they then formed a plan in secret. They conspired to steal this Ark from the Egyptians, and after they stole their 'power', they fled to the desert, where they wandered through the Sinai and crossed over to the land of Saudi Arabia. The sacred mountain where Musa (Moses) brought down the Tablets of the Commandments, is called Al Lawz....we derived our word Law from this Mountain's name.

When you steal something from another Kingdom, and try to 'Invent' a religion like this, using a foreign power to decorate your own religious idols and objects of worship to convince the followers that you are a 'Righteous' leader, you see there is no 'Truth' to the words spoken.

So now you see the ancient origins of these items, and the fact that they should never have been stolen from their Sacred Temple, as the Jews have incurred the 'Divine Wrath' for their affairs more than once..

The Ark is Ancient, what is inside is the power that the Ark was constructed to contain......that is what these goons are after in their hunt.......

If they found the Ark.....they will tap it for the wrong reasons and we will become their 'Goyim', as they attempt to empower themselves and try to act as the Pharisees did.

BTW Solomon had two exact replicas of the Ark made.....he gave one to Menelik

Legend has it that the Ark still rests there in Ethiopia with a single priest to watch over it, but History cannot prove there was a switch of the two.......they wont even mention it

They know that what they might be hunting for is actually one of the fakes, used to make people 'Search for the Holy Grail' and the "Lost Ark"

 

[joncutt87]

There was one guy that figured out how they built the pyramids, but he died like 50 years ago...

 

[New Gold]

There was one guy that figured out how they built the pyramids, but he died like 50 years ago...

You are talking about the Coral Castle guy.

Yes, he most likely figured out a way to levitate large objects that has been lost to us.

My theory is that it has something to do with resonant frequencies. Every kind of matter has a unique speed at which it's vibrating. Everything is sung into existence, so to speak.

If you send an object's resonant frequency back at itself, the effects of gravity are perhaps reduced on that object.

Charlie, I thought you were all done wasting your time on the Oak Island boards. Couldn't stay away eh?

I'm glad you are back, it's always nice to have a durable reference for all the baloney modern scholarship has produced.

 

[joncutt87]

Yep, coral castle guy. And to speak to the loss of his technique, when they replaced the bearings in one of the doors with modern equipment, they got it off. So the 10 ton door that a child could push open, is now difficult for some adults to open. Resonant frequencies make me think of Tesla.