Templar Vault Chamber located in New Ross, Nova Scotia

[Raparee]

That's why I added the "nothing" because that was referring to the foundations!

... How about FK's post no. 744 this thread, do you think that is a photo of nothing?

You are right. I apologize. Harris' writings are nonsense and the 'foundations', in the sense that they are being touted as being the foundations of a Templar castle, are, in fact, nothing. The foundations shown in the photo at post 744 are made up of small, roundish stones. Building a stone structure on such a foundation would be foolish. It would be like building on marbles or ball bearings --- not stable. You have claimed on another thread that the Templars were (amongst other things) master masons. Would a master mason build a stone structure on such a small, shoddy foundation? No. Would a 19th century farmer build a shed or lambing pen or blacksmith shop on such a foundation? Yes.

A foundation there (if it actually is a foundation) doesn't prove anything.

Based on a lot more than a pointed finger, but you choose to cherry pick my posts

Are you denying that a lot of your 'premise' hinges on a statue pointing at a letter R?

 

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[rowanns]

I am by no means denying the possibility of contact here that continued even after the Norse left. It is possible. Heck, I think it's even probable. But what I am trying to figure out is why, in this province, the area we now call New Ross, would have been selected as a site for a settlement of any duration for the dates folks are hypothesizing eg. 14th century. If I eliminate all the roads in my mind and eliminate all habitation that is non-native, if I try to put this province back to what it was, virtually untouched by Europeans, I just don't end up in New Ross. I end up on the LaHave River or even the Mersey. A person can traverse those waterways, can travel for a good distance inland, and then go deeper inland to construct something. I just can't get how New Ross would have been selected as a location.

 

[ECS]

How can your site be better than the OI site neither of you have found as much as $ worth of anything? Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

That's what makes Stevie wonder!

 

[lokiblossom]

You are right. I apologize. Harris' writings are nonsense and the 'foundations', in the sense that they are being touted as being the foundations of a Templar castle, are, in fact, nothing. The foundations shown in the photo at post 744 are made up of small, roundish stones. Building a stone structure on such a foundation would be foolish. It would be like building on marbles or ball bearings --- not stable. You have claimed on another thread that the Templars were (amongst other things) master masons. Would a master mason build a stone structure on such a small, shoddy foundation? No. Would a 19th century farmer build a shed or lambing pen or blacksmith shop on such a foundation? Yes.

A foundation there (if it actually is a foundation) doesn't prove anything.



Are you denying that a lot of your 'premise' hinges on a statue pointing at a letter R?

So the photo posted by New Age at 759 this thread with similar structure, although a little wider that he claims to be a Castle site would also be small roundish stones and could not be a foundation.

What kind of statement is that. You claim it could not be a foundation, but if it is it doesn't prove anything.

Some of my premise does rely on a couple of pointed fingers, the "Shepherds of Arcadia" by "The Keeper of Secrets" Nicolas Poussin, and the Bias Relief representing the same theme but in reverse called the Shugborough Monument commissioned by George Anson, Admiral of the Fleet. The Shugborough also has a code of letters seperated be the letters "D" and "M" for degrees and minutes, Anson was obsessed with navigation. I think I may include the whole solution here in the next day or two, but tonight I'm going out to play.

I just read the Mods post, but in my defense I am only doing that, defending. I will endeavor to be more careful.

Cheers, Loki

 

[Raparee]

So the photo posted by New Age at 759 this thread with similar structure, although a little wider that he claims to be a Castle site would also be small roundish stones and could not be a foundation.

That's up to New Age to address.

What kind of statement is that. You claim it could not be a foundation, but if it is it doesn't prove anything.

I said that it would be foolish to build a stone structure on such a foundation, and that if the Templars were master masons (as you claim they are), they would know better. If it is, in fact, a foundation at all, then it would be for a structure much more modest in scale, such as a blacksmith shop. If it is any kind of foundation, though, it does nothing to support any Templar-in-Nova Scotia theory.

Some of my premise does rely on a couple of pointed fingers, the "Shepherds of Arcadia" by "The Keeper of Secrets" Nicolas Poussin, and the Bias [sic] Relief representing the same theme but in reverse called the Shugborough Monument commissioned by George Anson, Admiral of the Fleet. The Shugborough also has a code of letters seperated be the letters "D" and "M" for degrees and minutes, Anson was obsessed with navigation. I think I may include the whole solution here in the next day or two, but tonight I'm going out to play.

Sweet Jeebus. Dan Brown needs to be keel-hauled. Pointing statues and secret codes. Speculation and imagination. Not one shred of verifiable, credible or provable evidence at all. Not one lost Templar button, not one shred of Templar mail, not one scrap of a Templar's ship have been located. No evidence of agriculture from that time, nor evidence of any other European technology. No midden heaps, no lost tools, no documentation. Where is the logic to your claim? By the way ... the "D" and "M" actually are the initials for Doreen Maloney, the Irish mistress that Anson was obsessed with. Why not? There is as much support for that claim as any other.

 

[Raparee]

I just don't end up in New Ross. I end up on the LaHave River or even the Mersey.

Not to mention Bras d'Or, Halifax Harbour, the fjords of Labrador, the St. Lawrence River, the Restigouche, the Mirimichi, etc, etc, etc...

 

[lokiblossom]

That's up to New Age to address.



I said that it would be foolish to build a stone structure on such a foundation, and that if the Templars were master masons (as you claim they are), they would know better. If it is, in fact, a foundation at all, then it would be for a structure much more modest in scale, such as a blacksmith shop. If it is any kind of foundation, though, it does nothing to support any Templar-in-Nova Scotia theory.



Sweet Jeebus. Dan Brown needs to be keel-hauled. Pointing statues and secret codes. Speculation and imagination. Not one shred of verifiable, credible or provable evidence at all. Not one lost Templar button, not one shred of Templar mail, not one scrap of a Templar's ship have been located. No evidence of agriculture from that time, nor evidence of any other European technology. No midden heaps, no lost tools, no documentation. Where is the logic to your claim? By the way ... the "D" and "M" actually are the initials for Doreen Maloney, the Irish mistress that Anson was obsessed with. Why not? There is as much support for that claim as any other.

I never said the Templars were master masons, I said some Templars were masons, some were sailors, some were Priests and so on. I also never premised a large stone structure at New Ross.

I will address the New Age photo, it is of a large castle foundation, with rounded stones of about the same size as FK's photo, with no mortar as is FK's photo.

And whether you agree or not the dated coconut fibre as identified by a few experts could only have been brought to Nova Scotia during that time period (harvested in 1229)by the Knights Templar. And just to remind you of my premise, only a small number made the trip. If not coconut fibre, but Manilla Hemp as another expert thought, the dating is the same. And I have seen very large and very old structures on less foundation than those at New Ross. Should I name a few?

Why would Dan Brown need to be keel-hauled? What did he do to deserve such a fate? He wrote a best selling novel is all I thought.

I'll go one further just for the record, during the Templars first nine years in Jerusalem they had access to the alleged site of Solomons Temple. They searched that site those whole nine years for religious artifacts for the Church, (this is all documented). They found a few things they could not turn over to the Church which they brought to Nova Scotia in 1308.

Cheers, Loki

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I have no affiliation with New Age Productions, have been here since Marc was the owner, and think there is NO LINK AT ALL between Oak Island and New Ross.

New Ross actually is more interesting as it may have pre-Colombian activity (not not necessarily European influence) but should be in it's own sub-forum.

 

[Raparee]

I never said the Templars were master masons, I said some Templars were masons, some were sailors, some were Priests and so on.

Well, if the Templars were at New Ross, they must have left their masons at home.

I also never premised a large stone structure at New Ross.

This is FK's thread ... FK's 'premise'.

I will address the New Age photo, it is of a large castle foundation, with rounded stones of about the same size as FK's photo, with no mortar as is FK's photo.

Address it with New Age, then.

And whether you agree or not the dated coconut fibre as identified by a few experts could only have been brought to Nova Scotia during that time period (harvested in 1229)by the Knights Templar.

Really? The ONLY people in the entire world who could have brought this (alleged) coconut to OI were the Templars? I'm sure that with a little research I could come up with as credible a claim for the Arabs or Indians or Chinese making the trip, too. Claiming the Templars deposited this (alleged) coconut fibre without any credible support is meaningless.

And just to remind you of my premise, only a small number made the trip. If not coconut fibre, but Manilla Hemp as another expert thought, the dating is the same.

The dating is irrelevant if the identification of the material is still in question... and it is.

And I have seen very large and very old structures on less foundation than those at New Ross. Should I name a few?

Go ahead. Provide me with a list of castles known to have been built by these Templars that have foundations as shoddy as these alleged castle foundations at New Ross.

Why would Dan Brown need to be keel-hauled? What did he do to deserve such a fate? He wrote a best selling novel is all I thought.

For promoting fiction as fact, and for encouraging pseudohistory. For giving people the idea that there are silly codes and messages in works of art. The fact that he sold a lot of books is irrelevant. The Spice Girls sold a lot of albums. I doesn't mean they had any real musical talent.

I'll go one further just for the record, during the Templars first nine years in Jerusalem they had access to the alleged site of Solomons Temple. They searched that site those whole nine years for religious artifacts for the Church, (this is all documented). They found a few things they could not turn over to the Church which they brought to Nova Scotia in 1308.

"They found a few things they could not turn over to the Church which they brought to Nova Scotia in 1308" Is there documentation for this, too? There must be for you to have made such a declarative statement like this.

 

[NewAge]

I will address the New Age photo, it is of a large castle foundation

How wide would you guess the foundation is in the photo I posted?

 

[NewAge]

OK, With out saying any names , I just found out why some members (Junior Members ) are here to bash us all. THEY work for Prometheus Entertainment, Production Company and our site is getting from 500 to 1000 views a day and they are to bash us on everything said about New Ross. No matter who is posting info all get bashed. Maybe they are pissed because they are stuck on that Island with Rick and Marty . I got the New Ross site all locked up, they can not come and dig . Heritage told me their permit is for Oak Island only and it will not include New Ross. Maybe they are mad because last year Tim told the film crew we were going to be a team ( me and Tim ) and dig up the Templar Treasure and get rich, and they could film us. Ya that did not happen, so that's why no more back yard shots were done. So now we know why the bashing is being done, we are getting better and Oak Island is going down.

I am not even going to address this other then to say I know I am one of the ones FK wants to silence on this site but this is not even in the right universe for my story.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I think the Viking example is a great one to reflect upon.

1 Archies/historians are more than happy to change their ideas when they are presented with scientific proof.

2 When people spend any time in an area they leave a sizable footprint. Look at everything found / recovered from the Viking sites. If a fleet of Templars or anyone else landed and resided in the area it would be littered with artifacts. Where are the middens, firepits, broken tools, pottery, anything made of iron etc etc.

I find this focus on the Templars funny. I wonder how many people had ever even heard of the Templars before the da Vinci code and then national treasure.

The Templars were never associated with OI or anywhere else until recently. OI was always about pirates etc. just like everyone now attributes everything to the KGC even though again no one ever heard of them until recently.

 

[Smithbrown]

I think your probably have to blame Sir Walter Scott for the modern reputation of the Templars; the villain of "Ivanhoe" is a Templar, Sir Brian de Bois-Guilbert.

 

[rowanns]

I think the Viking example is a great one to reflect upon.

1 Archies/historians are more than happy to change their ideas when they are presented with scientific proof.

2 When people spend any time in an area they leave a sizable footprint. Look at everything found / recovered from the Viking sites. If a fleet of Templars or anyone else landed and resided in the area it would be littered with artifacts. Where are the middens, firepits, broken tools, pottery, anything made of iron etc etc.

I find this focus on the Templars funny. I wonder how many people had ever even heard of the Templars before the da Vinci code and then national treasure.

The Templars were never associated with OI or anywhere else until recently. OI was always about pirates etc. just like everyone now attributes everything to the KGC even though again no one ever heard of them until recently.

While I am not disputing what you have written, as much of it makes sense to me a any rate, I think it's important to recognize that when dealing with Nova Scotian history, the vast, vast majority of it has been focused on the English and the French. Until recently, all has been skewed toward these two colonial powers. Granted, there are archaeological digs at Mi'kmaq sites, but not much else outside of that. If other groups were here and had settled for a considerable period of time, folks would have to look for their presence and while there are a few folks doing just that (Fagundes in Cape Breton for example), they are small in number. Just because evidence has not been found does not mean it isn't there. There are odd things in this province, but it takes dollars and concerted effort to uncover the past. We're not rolling in the dough here in case anyone hasn't noticed. As to the Templars, they became the Knights of Christ and there are some of us who have long researched these groups before Dan Brown ever wrote a book. If the Portuguese were here, you can pretty much be sure the Knights of Christ (Templars) were here. The only thing in dispute is when.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

I am not even going to address this other then to say I know I am one of the ones FK wants to silence on this site but this is not even in the right universe for my story.

By attempting to silence members questioning the credibility of "finds", this only substantiates the fact that no credible evidence has ever been produced concerning the title of this thread and that by silencing those asking for proof, more fairy tales can be posted without question.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Rowanns, I completely agree with you I overlooked history. Unfortunately it's usually native/indigenous populations that get overlooked. "Ancient aliens" etc are the worst at this. Basically AA is saying that ancient indigenous cultures weren't smart/skilled/etc enough to create all this stuff so it must have been aliens. The mound culture in the us is a prime example of this. Must have been the lost tribe of Israel because native Americans couldn't have done this?? Or maybe the Welsch, Irish, phoenicians etc.

I would rather just see the time/$ spent on science driven archeology.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Amen.

 

[rowanns]

Rowanns, I completely agree with you I overlooked history. Unfortunately it's usually native/indigenous populations that get overlooked. "Ancient aliens" etc are the worst at this. Basically AA is saying that ancient indigenous cultures weren't smart/skilled/etc enough to create all this stuff so it must have been aliens. The mound culture in the us is a prime example of this. Must have been the lost tribe of Israel because native Americans couldn't have done this?? Or maybe the Welsch, Irish, phoenicians etc.

I would rather just see the time/$ spent on science driven archeology.

I hear ya! It annoys me to no end as well this assumption that our indigenous peoples were somehow incapable of producing the marvels that continue to be unearthed. The least we can do is give credit where credit is most surely do.

 

[FinderKeeper]

So close and yet nothing found on Oak Island, the TV show has given us all the info we need to solve this hunt and no one has done it yet. They are so close and they don't see it. The Zena Papers are real and so is a lot of the info they had on the show, they just need to (as Rick said ) sit down and look at it again. I helped them once and I got screwed so when they are done with the TV show I will show them what they did wrong . Next week they get a little bit closer

 

[petetherocker]