Swamp Gold

[ivan salis]

oh no you don't --your not off the hook so easy my freind * please note what 267.135 states for those who do not know......how would you like your crow fixed?

so via 267.135 the state archies can deny access to "records" ---hummm guess that means -- I'm right after all huh? ---come on you can say it really you can....

 

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[ivan salis]

state of florida --dept of archaeology exempt status

flheritage.com/archaeology/cemeteries/index.cfm?page=Site_File - 13k -

 

[ivan salis]

so answer this one question -- does the state archies have a "exemption" to the sunshine laws ? yes or no (very simple one word answer please)--- yes means --I'm right --that the state archies do have a "exemption" * (as your post above shows they do) / --no means ... I'm wrong

and the answer is? well come on , spit it out already . YES they do.

and if in their veiw -- they think that revealing it might cause folks to "poke about" or loot it -- (which they always feel that way ) their archies they don't want "others" messing about their sites after all those peons might mess up the site ---so so sorry no info is availble to you mr john Q public --have a nice day.

 

[ivan salis]

if one is doing shipwreck research(*** like I often do --and the info you need is on file with the state * and the state will not allow you to have access --to files that tax payor funds were used to make -- state archies work for us the taxpayors (never forget that fact -- that the govt works for "us" --we are their masters --not the other way around -----most colleges and their "research" is taxpayor assisted as well * --the data in those files are "public" records and as such should be open to public inspection.

 

[ivan salis]

no to legal find , and salvage wrecksites --the point I'm making is the state legally can and does withhold information from the public -- and can even withold stuff that sould be in the public area --by simply saying --uh we think relasing any information on any sites might possibly lead to looting or tresspass --so no mr john q public -- you can not see anything at all --only college level archie students and professors and state archies can see these files . --have a nice day -- now shoo be gone with you. peon.

your tax dollars pay to pave roads people might *possibly" * drunk drive on but the public is allowed access to em aren't they? --- if we go by what could possibly happen --- anything could happen * geez --

 

[Bridge End Farm]

Have the fires in the swamp exposed anything yet?

The latest fires will help in the coming hunting season but this place is so huge something can remain lost forever.

true so true

needle in haystack really

still a needle worth searching for

people have to remember stuff like this isn't left buried a few inches in ground or covered with leaves most times

 

[sabre15]

if one is doing shipwreck research(*** like I often do --and the info you need is on file with the state * and the state will not allow you to have access --to files that tax payor funds were used to make -- state archies work for us the taxpayors (never forget that fact -- that the govt works for "us" --we are their masters --not the other way around -----most colleges and their "research" is taxpayor assisted as well * --the data in those files are "public" records and as such should be open to public inspection.

No. You are 100% wrong if you think my tax dollars should be used to supply you with information so that you could *possibly* trespass on a historically important site so you can *possibly* harm, loot or destroy that site.

example#1 cape canaveral national seashore
you can do just about anything you want their other than metal detect
federal parks, non civil/seminole war-you can do just about anything in a park-try taking a shovel only to the national seashore or a state park and dig holes( in my case I have dug many with my kids) but don't bring along a detector!

 

[Oroblanco]

SWR wrote

Good job State of protecting our history from those who guise themselves as researchers!

Well at least this very much clarifies where you stand on this whole subject. I respectfully disagree, in part. Who defines what is our "history" that must be protected? Is it protected, to allow it to simply dissolve into the elements, which is what all artifacts are slowly doing in the ground and in the seas? I doubt that we are ever going to agree on this point, for while I can see the point in protecting the Statue of Liberty from being cut into pieces and hauled away, this idea of locking up vast areas of lands and seas to "protect" them succeeds in making criminals out of people who would find the relics and thus preserve them from eventual destruction by the forces of nature, and consigns all artifacts within these "protected" areas to destruction over time. Not every single button or nail from the past is a priceless relic equal in value to the Liberty Bell.

Sorry for the off-topic reply,

Oroblanco

 

[Bridge End Farm]

Big C

you ever get to reading that Library I sent you, you sure are being awful quiet lol

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Big C

you ever get to reading that Library I sent you, you sure are being awful quiet lol

Somehow I have overlooked notices on this thread. I need to read up on all I missed. Sorry.

 

[Bridge End Farm]

Big C

you ever get to reading that Library I sent you, you sure are being awful quiet lol

Somehow I have overlooked notices on this thread. I need to read up on all I missed. Sorry.

you haven't missed much the usual is it true or not true back and forth

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I kinda leaning toward fictitious but I havent given up on it yet. I dont think it was made up out of thin air.

As far as the list you found online, I havent done anything with it yet. Its a very good list. It appears to be a collection of Treasure stories that may be related to this legend, that have been published in Treasure magazines over the years. Can I find these old magazines in the library? I think I may need to purchase them. Do you have any of them? I really should read them. Thanks for bringing this interesting library of Florida treasure stories to my attention.




I have a very good old newsclipping of a Civil War gold cache uncovered in New Orleans during road construction. I posted it here several years ago. A charter member can search and may be able to find the old thread.

 

[Bridge End Farm]

I kinda leaning toward fictitious but I havent given up on it yet. I dont think it was made up out of thin air.

As far as the list you found online, I havent done anything with it yet. Its a very good list. It appears to be a collection of Treasure stories that may be related to this legend, that have been published in Treasure magazines over the years. Can I find these old magazines in the library? I think I may need to purchase them. Do you have any of them? I really should read them. Thanks for bringing this interesting library of Florida treasure stories to my attention.

I happen to work on the Miccosuki Indian Reservation until January. I do have some connections and may possibly obtain permission. But its not going to be easy.

I have a very good old newsclipping of a Civil War gold cache uncovered in New Orleans during road construction. I posted it here several years ago. A charter member can search and may be able to find the old thread.

some I have gotten from archives, some just some deep internet surfing
some just from others

I will continue to look for that one story we have talked about on the well. I haven't found it. I search for it as I am slowly purging stuff as I plan to move.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It turns out that the well story is in the same general area as Horseshoe Head. Interesting. Maybe I need to find your list and start tring to purchase these magazines.

Bridge- search here under key words "New Orleans Gold Bigcypresshunter" and see if my old newsclipping comes up. I dont have search capabilities.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I havent posted here in a while. I just kinda got discouraged that no hard facts were surfacing. I also want to thank you Bridge for sending me that link. I havent had a chance to search out any of the listings. I dont think a library would have the books. Maybe I can purchase them from eBay.

As far as some hard facts, I have found something of interest. Its a map of Florida during the Seminole Wars. It appears to show what looks like a main trail (and only trail) in the center of Florida from Lake Okeechobee down through Fort Shackleford (burnt down by Indians) and into the Everglades in the direction of Fort Harrel or Fort Westcott (abandoned). This trail no longer exists but it must have been there in 1865 and this would be the most sensible route of escaping Confederates. This trail appears to pass right by Horsehoe Head! http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,209654.0.html

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

BTW a Seminole newspaper reported that long lost Fort Shackleford has been found on the Seminole reservation right were it is marked on this map.. A marker has been erected at the site. Confederates would have no reason to avoid it and might have thought it would provide some shelter or supplies. Fort Harrel and Fort Westcott remain lost in the swamp to this day. The remains of Fort Poinsett at Cape Sable were still visible in the 30's. It was lost to a hurricane.

"On December 7, 1855, 1st Lt. Hartsuff with six mounted men, foot soldiers, and two teamsters, manning two mule-drawn wagons, left Fort Myers to resume exploration of the Big Cypress. He was ordered, "Treat the Indians with kindness, courtesy, Indians will not attack unless provoked." They soon encountered some inauspicious omens. On December 10, an Indian man and boy, herding hogs, were seen, but tried to elude them. The next day they found the abandoned Forts Simon Drum and Shackleford, both burned, and three villages deserted."

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~crackerbarrel/Hartsuff.html

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Another map of the trail to Fort Shackleford which became a road. I read that in the 1870's tourists would come to Florida to hunt and they would use the old fort as a resting area..

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

BTW anybody reading this that may think they can take a ride out to the reservation and search will find that getting permission on an Indian Reservation or in the Big Cypress Nat. Preserve will be next to impossible. Here is a 1995 map of the area. The L-28 Canals and the L-28 Tie-Back canal were built to seperate the dryer BigCypress area from the wetter sawgrass Everglades tree island area. This would have been the area of the long ago vanished trail. Look to the far upper right corner of the map. Fort Shackleford is just off Snake Road. Horseshoe Head is a large tree island surrounded by water. The bold green line is the Indian Reservation boundary.
The gold, if it exists, could be buried anywhere along the boundary which is the approximate area of the old trail. It may even be sitting in plain view. I remember a story where an alligator digging exposed some Seminole War coat buttons. Possibly uncovering a soldiers grave. And another where a lost hunter stumbled upon an old Indian War fortification wall. He brought back a flintlock musket he found in plain view, never able to find the location again. Its so easy to get lost in this swamp. If someone made up this story, they did their homework. Its all feasable.

If anybody has anything to add, please do so. This mystery can only be solved with a sharing of information and I like to thank Mindspark for sharing his knowlege, research and hard work at Horsehead.

 

[Salvor6]

If the circled area is Horseshoe Head then it is far east of Ft. Shackleford. And east of the trail.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

If the circled area is Horseshoe Head then it is far east of Ft. Shackleford. And east of the trail.

Hello Salvor. Yes, they would have continued south, past Fort Shackleford because the Indians burnt it down 10 years earlier. Also the Union Army was supposedly hot on their trail. As the story goes, they were taken in by some Baptists or something that were living on Horseshoe Head and taken there by canoe to rest. Later they were captured but the Gold never found. A 1940's treasure hunter flying over the area noticed unusual non-native trees growing on the island and figured this may be the old settlement. The story was given to me by Mindspark and can be read on the other thread. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,209654.0.html I also have a 1940's Game Officers story of finding a Confederate encampment in this same area.

Many have searched for this gold over the years. Confederate relics were found nearby. It could be anywhere off of this trail. Horseshoehead is about 5 miles from the levee. I will try to overlap the old trail map with this one and see where it lies. The old maps of this remote area could easily be 5 miles off.