Stone tablet at 90 feet

[n2mini]

I still find it amazing after over 10 years of being here how much time and effort, folks that don't believe any of the story spend in here...

 

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[BennyV]

I still find it amazing after over 10 years of being here how much time and effort, folks that don't believe any of the story spend in here...

Bingo.

 

[SSR]

I still find it amazing after over 10 years of being here how much time and effort, folks that don't believe any of the story spend in here...

They do believe the thing is a story. What is truly remarkable is that some simpletons still think the accounts are as solid a history as one can access, that it can be legitimized by pouring over details that have nothing to do with any of this and that Prometheus Entertainment, with the Laginas in tow, are non biased actors.

For the same reason some still dissect Moby Dick people will sit and discuss the OI story to wonder why it was ever given the way it was given. I would argue that if you do that there's something to be gleaned about human nature. Otherwise all the effort is lost. We cannot put aside what is known in favor of what does not align with it to save a story from being called a fiction.

In Haliburton's story, Kidd and his buccaneers had murdered a man in a horseshoe cove near John Smith's house near La Have to protect a buried a treasure. What is absolutely a fiction has contributed to speculations about OI later. The fact that people have made this sort of borrowing is used as historical evidence that what circulates must have some grain of truth in it. It's all a great big mess of tangled details that has suffered a recent synthesis on television. The truth will never be known by anyone. No one even knows what they are looking for. It's late in the game to be certain of something that one cannot even name. In theory they may have already found it, because clay, mud, gravel, rock and wood chips can also be called treasure. Treasure is that non specific in this story. 40 feet below is 2 000 000 pounds of treasure.

 

[n2mini]

My thinking is, I don't believe in bigfoot, so I don't bother going to the Bigfoot Forums just to pick apart someone elses thinking or beliefs of it being real. Got better things to do.. If they believe in Bigfoot why should I care...

 

[SSR]

My thinking is, I don't believe in bigfoot, so I don't bother going to the Bigfoot Forums just to pick apart someone elses thinking or beliefs of it being real. Got better things to do.. If they believe in Bigfoot why should I care...

No one gets to control the narratives around OI where there is an open conversations. You only get to try and carve out a place in the discussions people are having about what went on there. It would make little sense to ban people in order to have a echo chamber. We can avoid a situation where poor fools being sucked into flat earther get immersed in suggestions looking to recruit.

There's only one information sphere that everyone has to fit into. If your case is weak, the way to make it strong is not to demand that only the gullible be allowed to interact with it. At this point people will simply have to learn about what was already being said in 1847. We don't actually have better from having been given a show about this story. I suspect the highwater mark for knowing what was going there happened between 1840 and 1863. After that it's been a situation where people with big foot theories demand to be taken seriously.

 

[Carl-NC]

I still find it amazing after over 10 years of being here how much time and effort, folks that don't believe any of the story spend in here...

It's a study in human psychology, and it's completely free! I can come here and watch people spin around in circles trying to convert fiction to reality, and even fabricate more of the fiction themselves in order to explain away discontinuities in all the other accumulated fiction. It's absolutely fascinating! Yeah, I could do this on a Bigfoot forum but I'm not writing a book on Bigfoot.

BTW, my diary post is every bit as real as all the other "evidence" surrounding OI, so I hearby submit for inclusion in the accumulated "evidence." Maybe it will end up on the TV show, it certainly meets their criterion.

 

[Limitool]

The folks on that show have turned themselves into pretzels trying to keep the gravy train going. All they do now is uncover past evidence of human activity on the island and try and spin it into something to do with treasure. If any treasure is found we'll hear about it on the news long before we see it on TV. But as long as they can make money off a show they'll keep spinning stories up.

 

[DizzyDigger]

I have to wonder if some university psychology professor back in 1847 thought up this whole scheme, and since then the university has been doing a 200 year secret study of how myth and legend propagate over time.

 

[Robot]

It is proven that less than 1% of Mankind has the ability to think outside the box!

"The countries that still primarily use the "foot" measurement with 12 inches are primarily the United States, Liberia, and Myanmar as they are the only countries that officially use the Imperial system of measurement, where a foot is defined as 12 inches."

Prior to the 1800's all countries would use their own measurements for this size such as England's Royal Foot (Fathom)...How many royal foot in 1 feet? The answer is 0.93830635702557 inches today.
French... A French pieds du roi (Kings Foot) was equivalent to 1.067877 inches today

Each country used their own name and size associated with their King's body part...usually showing bigger than the other's?

Unless it was The United States that built this Deposit...one should not equate 12 inches to the foot for any measurement

I have always tried to get the Lagina Brothers to simply measure one of their many cut boards to equate whick country was responsible for the Deposit

 

[Armchair detective]

If the markings on the stone were faked, it would have had to have happened between when it was dug up (Onslow 1804) and installed in Smith's fireplace (1810). It stayed in the fireplace at least until Smith passed in 1857.

This implies Smith knew the stone had no value, which means Smith chiselled the marks himself, or knew who did.

The tools required - don't think they were actual stone cutting tools (like tombstones) -.a more permanent job would have been done.

So something adapted, something laying around.
Tools for branding? for leather embossing? ??

Trying to figure out what set of tools would provide the tool which would punch a circular "o".

 

[Armchair detective]

Maybe wheel wright or copper tools? (Trades of the Vaughns).

 

[Armchair detective]

I meant cooper tools.

 

[n2mini]

The stone was 6 years old by the time Smith used it in his fire place. Do we know how he placed the stone in there. Maybe it was the center piece with it's markings facing out for everyone to see and show off to those who hadn't already seen it. Not sure if this was before or after it was supposedly used as a door stop at a shop in town and at a leather shop used to hammer leather on...

 

[SSR]

Ironically, if we do some rudimentary math that assumes the depressed circle was in fact 12 feet across we can define a 40 foot long cylinder starting at the 90 foot level that that has a volume= pi x 12 ^2x40=18 095 cubic feet. Plugging in the density of packed clay (which Restall claimed this area was made of), we get 18 095 cubic feet x 106.25 pounds of clay/ cubic foot=1 922 654 pounds of clay. It might appear that Rev. Kempton was not as innocent as some think for having invented a cipher that tells you that 40 feet below are 2 000 000 pounds. Or could it be that some clay miners had dug down to the 90 foot level with their crib work and stopped there, leaving a message to anyone else coming after them that hey had probed down to at least 40 feet lower to find that there was that much more there, lol. What is the commercial value of dense clay today? On average it is about $0.50/pound. All hope is not lost for anyone wanting to go get that million dollars in clay. All the poking around has unfortunately made it soupier so be prepared to spend money to dry it.

 

[Armchair detective]

Found this on a very old thread (2014 - has it been that long? - Yikes !!)
It seems well researched, and to be the best information on the HISTORY of the stone.
HISTORY CHANNEL - Oak Island mini series January 5, 2014, record #775.
It is very interesting.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Found this on a very old thread (2014 - has it been that long? - Yikes !!)
It seems well researched, and to be the best information on the HISTORY of the stone.
HISTORY CHANNEL - Oak Island mini series January 5, 2014, record #775.
It is very interesting.

If one reads every thread here on oak island, it becomes incredibly obvious nothing was ever there other than a long line of scam artists.

 

[n2mini]

There might have been some scamming going on in the sense of making up tales of finding something that leads them to think they are getting close to get more investment money to continue the dig. I don't think anyone till the Laginas actually made money on their search. Remember that was harsh conditions digging back in the day with no electricity on the island. Restall lived on the island for 4 years or so. Only ones that "might" have made any money was the first 3 whether they actually found anything or not like one of their family decendents claims. They could have been getting some kind of consultant deal which could have just been a percentage of whats found like most of the other land owners deals..

 

[SSR]

There might have been some scamming going on in the sense of making up tales of finding something that leads them to think they are getting close to get more investment money to continue the dig. I don't think anyone till the Laginas actually made money on their search. Remember that was harsh conditions digging back in the day with no electricity on the island. Restall lived on the island for 4 years or so. Only ones that "might" have made any money was the first 3 whether they actually found anything or not like one of their family decendents claims. They could have been getting some kind of consultant deal which could have just been a percentage of whats found like most of the other land owners deals..

There were owners of the land who profited from leasing their land to searchers. Some of the searchers paid for their leases by selling percentages of their eventual take (like poker players do today). By the time Restall died he had pretty much traded away most of what he would have found in the case he had "success". It should remind us of he mentality of a gambler who is chasing his losses.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Found this on a very old thread (2014 - has it been that long? - Yikes !!)
It seems well researched, and to be the best information on the HISTORY of the stone.
HISTORY CHANNEL - Oak Island mini series January 5, 2014, record #775.
It is very interesting.

99% of what is presented on the show is scripted fiction.

The stone was created by scam artists and since no one bought into the story and didn’t give the scammers more money, the stone was discarded.

Those are the facts.

 

[Armchair detective]

Ironically, if we do some rudimentary math that assumes the depressed circle was in fact 12 feet across we can define a 40 foot long cylinder starting at the 90 foot level that that has a volume= pi x 12 ^2x40=18 095 cubic feet. Plugging in the density of packed clay (which Restall claimed this area was made of), we get 18 095 cubic feet x 106.25 pounds of clay/ cubic foot=1 922 654 pounds of clay. It might appear that Rev. Kempton was not as innocent as some think for having invented a cipher that tells you that 40 feet below are 2 000 000 pounds. Or could it be that some clay miners had dug down to the 90 foot level with their crib work and stopped there, leaving a message to anyone else coming after them that hey had probed down to at least 40 feet lower to find that there was that much more there, lol. What is the commercial value of dense clay today? On average it is about $0.50/pound. All hope is not lost for anyone wanting to go get that million dollars in clay. All the poking around has unfortunately made it soupier so be prepared to spend money to dry it.

Ahem.
π x r^2 x h = volume of cylinder.
Using your numbers, to make 2,000,000 lbs of clay, h must be about 166.5 ft.

Still, maybe there was 2,000,000 lbs of something else there.

On the other hand, if you have something valuable that you don't want to "disappear" or "walk off", mortaring it into a fireplace might be as good as a safe.