Stone tablet at 90 feet

[Armchair detective]

And if there is a secret message it's probably...
"HAH. HAH. MADE YOU LOOK"

 

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[Armchair detective]

A thing to know.
Donald McGinnis did NOT inscribe the code.
He was illiterate.

 

[freeman]

A few things to set the record straight as it was all recorded. And known. The '90 foot stone' was indeed a stone hauled up from about 90 but so little was thought about it, it was used along with other stones to build a fireplace for a cabin on the island. A visitor was intrigued by the story and scratches on it so it was taken over to the mainland where local hoots came up with various 'interpretations' and to quote the actual reports 'but no one believed them'.

You won't hear it now but the first versions said 'Ten feet below..' but after that was dug the story had to be changed to 40:feet to keep it going.

It had no discernable symbols or writing on it . The symbols you see now were taken from a fictional story about Oak Island by Reverend Kempton after Edward Rowe Snow wrote about Kempton's story in the 1950s

Though this is all known and recorded you can see many here would just prefer to repeat the myth rather than tell the reality.

 

[n2mini]

At this point we'll never know what if anything was etched into the stone let alone what it said if so... but if you believe there was this stone found in the pit and not just claimed to have been found there by the searchers for whatever reason, the real question then is why was it there to begin with. Was it a marker from whom ever placed it there. Maybe for them to dig sideways for something they buried? Almost all the stories about what might be buried there, there was some sort of plan for their group of people to, I'd think retrieve it at some point. You don't just bury something to hide it forever they could have just thrown it over board if that was the plan..

 

[Blackfoot58]

I like the one with the girl, locked in the tower, with really long hair. That’s a great fairy tale too.

 

[Carl-NC]

At this point we'll never know what if anything was etched into the stone let alone what it said if so... but if you believe there was this stone found in the pit and not just claimed to have been found there by the searchers for whatever reason, the real question then is why was it there to begin with.

A rock buried in the ground... yes, highly unusual. It must mean something.

And it would make perfect sense to bury a marker 90 feet deep that says "Buried treasure in 40 feet!" as opposed to burying one, say, 10 feet deep that says "Buried treasure in 120 feet!" After all, how hard would it be to hit that stone at 90 feet? Easy peasy. I won't even begin to consider the perfectly logical reasoning of burying a treasure 130 feet deep, well below sea level. It all just makes so much sense.

 

[Blackfoot58]

If I’m burying a treasure, it would be much shallower. I wouldn’t leave clues, because it is hidden. I would not be trying to help someone find it.
I guess in the movie, The Goonies, they found the pirate ship.
That should encourage anyone who is looking to believe a legend. They were just a gang of inept kids.

 

[SSR]

A few things to set the record straight as it was all recorded. And known. The '90 foot stone' was indeed a stone hauled up from about 90 but so little was thought about it, it was used along with other stones to build a fireplace for a cabin on the island. A visitor was intrigued by the story and scratches on it so it was taken over to the mainland where local hoots came up with various 'interpretations' and to quote the actual reports 'but no one believed them'.

You won't hear it now but the first versions said 'Ten feet below..' but after that was dug the story had to be changed to 40:feet to keep it going.

It had no discernable symbols or writing on it . The symbols you see now were taken from a fictional story about Oak Island by Reverend Kempton after Edward Rowe Snow wrote about Kempton's story in the 1950s

Though this is all known and recorded you can see many here would just prefer to repeat the myth rather than tell the reality.

The only written evidence we have of that is a detail in Haliburton's Vol. II of "The Old Judge" where he mentions that a certain mysterious stone was used in the chimney of a character named John Smith in his story. That's not supposed to be a true story. Halliburton describes it as a fiction. At any rate, he used his story to lampoon the idea of a treasure at OI, so I do not see the value of using something mocking the treasure story as evidence of the treasure story. On the whole the treasure seekers prefer to not involve Haliburton's writings in their claims.

Critically, we can more easily dismiss this stone (which is associated with Enoch in the myth involving his shaft and vault) by considering what empiric details we are given. Reginald Harris describes this stone as being in the dimensions of the half stone ashlar (half of a square of 27 x 27 inches). That's pure Masonic detail if there ever was any to latch onto. The entire thing is surrounded by geometric suggestions and recognizable numerology. In the base 10 numbering system there are 9 levels before one returns to the monad. The 9th level is the culmination. The return to the monad is prophesized to come in the End Times which are foretold by the discovery of the stone in the myth. It's all just "cleverly" embellished details that are meant to be recognizable, and if not, to encourage you to study up on it. The later added detail of the 40 characters and the 40 feet mentioned seem to be related to the prophecy of Daniel which involves a period of 40 years between the return of the Antichrist, the 8th King, and the end times. The "one more must die" detail is related to this prophecy of the coming of the Anti-Christ. No one gets the promised treasure before he has come and been defeated in the story.

The Welling pointer points to the cardinal point where the celestial cross of crucifixion just sets on the horizon. Almost as quickly, the cross rises (from the horizon). Exactly 12 hours later it will be in near apex above ones head in full glory. This is a known feature of this latitude. It was exploited at at least one other similar latitude to signal the duality of the the constellation of Cygnus. The swan was the identity of Zeus, and it is also the identity of the cross to the Christian astronomers like Kepler. At OI, it is used to promoted the Holy Royal Arch Freemasonry's bedrock belief in the coming of Christ and the need for you to prepare yourself for it.

The existence of the alleged unattainable vault at 153 feet which sinks into the abyss when approached is another damning detail that is a correct consequence of the initial flooding of this shaft.

Should you believe the stories? Should you believe the Biblical stories? It is a matter of blind faith. There will always be people who will embellish in order that you would believe. With belief comes the opportunity to exploit that belief.

Could this have been presented elsewhere? Sure. The reason OI seems to have been "blessed" with this story likely has a lot to do with the opportunity that presented itself in 1762 when Charles Morris surveyed that island. In his plan may have been a signaling of things that were believed by members of the Erasmus James Philipps first Masonic lodge. Morris was a member of it. Philipps had died suddenly in 1760. A symbolic planning of the island involving Masonic details may have occurred. It would help to explain why other prominent Masons, the Archibalds, showed up there and not be totally repulsed by what can only be seen as fantastical details of Masonically influenced stories. They may have suspected that there was another type of signaling going on, and they may have though about having a free look by having other pay for it. Who knows?

 

[freeman]

The only written evidence we have of that is a detail in Haliburton's Vol. II of "The Old Judge" where he mentions that a certain mysterious stone was used in the chimney of a character named John Smith in his story. That's not supposed to be a true story. Halliburton describes it as a fiction. At any rate, he used his story to lampoon the idea of a treasure at OI, so I do not see the value of using something mocking the treasure story as evidence of the treasure story. On the whole the treasure seekers prefer to not involve Haliburton's writings in their claims.

Critically, we can more easily dismiss this stone (which is associated with Enoch in the myth involving his shaft and vault) by considering what empiric details we are given. Reginald Harris describes this stone as being in the dimensions of the half stone ashlar (half of a square of 27 x 27 inches). That's pure Masonic detail if there ever was any to latch onto. The entire thing is surrounded by geometric suggestions and recognizable numerology. In the base 10 numbering system there are 9 levels before one returns to the monad. The 9th level is the culmination. The return to the monad is prophesized to come in the End Times which are foretold by the discovery of the stone in the myth. It's all just "cleverly" embellished details that are meant to be recognizable, and if not, to encourage you to study up on it. The later added detail of the 40 characters and the 40 feet mentioned seem to be related to the prophecy of Daniel which involves a period of 40 years between the return of the Antichrist, the 8th King, and the end times. The "one more must die" detail is related to this prophecy of the coming of the Anti-Christ. No one gets the promised treasure before he has come and been defeated in the story.

The Welling pointer points to the cardinal point where the celestial cross of crucifixion just sets on the horizon. Almost as quickly, the cross rises (from the horizon). Exactly 12 hours later it will be in near apex above ones head in full glory. This is a known feature of this latitude. It was exploited at at least one other similar latitude to signal the duality of the the constellation of Cygnus. The swan was the identity of Zeus, and it is also the identity of the cross to the Christian astronomers like Kepler. At OI, it is used to promoted the Holy Royal Arch Freemasonry's bedrock belief in the coming of Christ and the need for you to prepare yourself for it.

The existence of the alleged unattainable vault at 153 feet which sinks into the abyss when approached is another damning detail that is a correct consequence of the initial flooding of this shaft.

Should you believe the stories? Should you believe the Biblical stories? It is a matter of blind faith. There will always be people who will embellish in order that you would believe. With belief comes the opportunity to exploit that belief.

Could this have been presented elsewhere? Sure. The reason OI seems to have been "blessed" with this story likely has a lot to do with the opportunity that presented itself in 1762 when Charles Morris surveyed that island. In his plan may have been a signaling of things that were believed by members of the Erasmus James Philipps first Masonic lodge. Morris was a member of it. Philipps had died suddenly in 1760. A symbolic planning of the island involving Masonic details may have occurred. It would help to explain why other prominent Masons, the Archibalds, showed up there and not be totally repulsed by what can only be seen as fantastical details of Masonically influenced stories. They may have suspected that there was another type of signaling going on, and they may have though about having a free look by having other pay for it. Who knows?

No, there are other reports, you just have never seen them. It was a visiting officer from a ship that heard the story and removed the stone from the fireplace.

 

[n2mini]

A rock buried in the ground... yes, highly unusual. It must mean something.

Exactly. If they had been digging along finding only dirt and wood supposedly placed every so often then suddenly you find this big rock, it was placed there for a reason. As some think maybe it didn't have any message on it at all but it could have been a marker for whomever was supposed to come to retrieve something. No one buries something of value without a plan for themselves or someone to come back to get it. Captain Kid supposedly buried treasure at times but would have had a plan to come back for it at some point or why pilfer it to begin with.. If the Knights Templers or whoever buried their gold or Ark of Covenant there would be a plan for "their people" to come get it at some point in the future. All this is a big "if" the finding of the stone as the story goes is true. Regardless of any message being on it..

 

[Limitool]

Again.... Who the hell would want to bury anything of value 100-150ft underground? What would be the point? Nobody (in their right mind) would have a reason too...! What's the difference between 5ft or 150ft.? And no it's not 145ft or someone would have to do a lot of work to retrieve it. Because on top it all looks the same. Nobody way back when needed a hole that deep to hide a valuable to them or others let alone a stone.

 

[Carl-NC]

but it could have been a marker for whomever was supposed to come to retrieve something.

What is the sanity of placing a marker 90 feet deep? It's no longer a marker, it's just an obstacle if you're lucky enough to even find it on the way down. That area was heavily glaciated during the ice age and the glaciers shoved big rocks all over the place and buried them. I would not find it the least bit unusual to dig deep holes and hit big rocks.

 

[freeman]

For those who are interested, this is the first appearance of the 'symbols' on the 90 foot stone; the tyrpewritten manuscript of Rev Kempton's story.

Since then it just gets repeated as if it was fact that the 90 foot stone had these on it.

It gets worse though, if you check purported images of the 90 foot stone circulating on the internet you'll find the symbols shown on it have just been cut and pasted from this manuscript.

Other details that never get repeated as they show how the whole thing was just made up is that, as mentioned before, earlier versions prior to Kempton ascribe the message to start with '10 feet below....'

But another another is then when the stone was originally referred to it didn't have a name associated to the depth it was found, it was just a stone found in the shaft.

It was actually found at the 95 foot level but the name '90 foot stone' flows as better prose when spinning a story than '95 foot stone'.

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[Armchair detective]

I figure that I would need four different punches to be able to reproduce all the symbols I see in this message - a short line, a long line, a circle, and a dot.
Who would have such tools to hand? Got an idea, but want hear others first.

 

[n2mini]

If it is true that some of the knights templers carved symbols into the stone walls with their teeth while imprisoned, carving a stone would be easy work with any hand tool..

 

[Robot]

I figure that I would need four different punches to be able to reproduce all the symbols I see in this message - a short line, a long line, a circle, and a dot.
Who would have such tools to hand? Got an idea, but want hear others first.

I would think a chisel like this one found on Oak Island would be able to chisel out the symbols.

 

[SSR]

For those who are interested, this is the first appearance of the 'symbols' on the 90 foot stone; the tyrpewritten manuscript of Rev Kempton's story.

Since then it just gets repeated as if it was fact that the 90 foot stone had these on it.

It gets worse though, if you check purported images of the 90 foot stone circulating on the internet you'll find the symbols shown on it have just been cut and pasted from this manuscript.

Other details that never get repeated as they show how the whole thing was just made up is that, as mentioned before, earlier versions prior to Kempton ascribe the message to start with '10 feet below....'

But another another is then when the stone was originally referred to it didn't have a name associated to the depth it was found, it was just a stone found in the shaft.

It was actually found at the 95 foot level but the name '90 foot stone' flows as better prose when spinning a story than '95 foot stone'.

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It's impossible to solve by substitution and get a 5 letter word out of a 6 character code. That's what is suggested there with the first word. The last word also starts with a double character. To deal with that it was treated as different symbols. Not that many words start with a double letter in English. This would normally send people looking in the direction of other types of ciphers like a Vigenere, for example. To assume a simple substitution cipher is unwarranted.

The 95 foot suggestion is to fit the stone in a 100 foot suggestion. That was produced in order that the number of feet above sea level, 33, would divide the 95 in 62 and 33 foot lengths. These numbers once produced can be used to allege that 62 is code for F. B. ; that 33 is the simple English Tudor gematria value of Bacon. The 100 is to be dissected as 67 and 33, which is English Tudor gematria for Francis (67) + Bacon (33), echoing 62 as F.B. That's just more evidence of how the stories were tweaked to make them say different things that would have satisfied some searchers. Someone from the 1890s would very much have loved to allege that the stone was in fact found at the 95 foot level to make that seem to support the new idea that the thing being dug for was a vault of Tudor documents. This is a chicken an egg problem, imho. It does appear to me that people were just being incredibly clever in feeding details to the public that would let them "discover" ways to be sucked in to desired narratives. With the Laginas that's just morphed into Templar crap.

In all cases we are dealing with efforts to present various testimonials that help to build up the story to an evolved state.

At some point it was realized that no one with any practical purpose in mind would ever have bothered to dress up their efforts to conceal anything in such games. Its either a puzzle for puzzles' sake or it is nothing, because it is not a treasure concealment scheme where one would have to travel to some destination and start decoding surveyed lengths to find a meaning in them. It's horrible as a concealment suggestion. There is some evidence that puzzle makers have had their hands in this story after it saw the light of day in the 1840s. That was likely just done to grow the "mystery" and to invite solvers to participate..

 

[Armchair detective]

Robot
Could even be one of the four required chisels.
Was it found on one of the lots owned by John Smith or Anthony Vaughn?

Looks like about the right size to accidentally blast a chunk of stone off until you learned to use a light touch (like the first letter of the code).

And a light chiseling touch might explain why some mistook the marks for scratches.

 

[TruthbeTold]

There’s a reason the laginas never talk about the fake 90 foot stone (that was not found in the fictional money pit) and have relegated it to the “do not use this story anymore” script guidelines like so many other of their “finds”.

 

[Carl-NC]

I was just reading a rare diary from a sailor on the Adventure Galley. This is a real conversation (honest!) between Captain Kidd and his first mate Timothy Jones, as recorded in the diary:

Capt Kidd: Ah, Mr. Jones, I see you're back from the Island.

Mr. Jones: Aye Capt'n, the treasure is buried.

Kidd: Excellent Mr. Jones. How deep did you bury it?

Jones: About 130 feet deep, Capt'n.

Kidd: Oh my, that's quite deep. Did you mark the location so we can find it again?

Jones: Aye Capt'n, I put a large stone there to mark it.

Kidd: Good man, Mr. Jones. How big is this stone?

Jones: About 2 feet by 2 feet by 1 foot thick, Capt'n.

Kidd: Hmmm, that's about 750 pounds. OK, good, I don't think anyone is likely to move it far. How will we be able to recognize this stone?

Jones: I made some light scratches on the stone that says the treasure is just 40 feet below, using our secret pirate code of coarse.

Kidd: But Mr. Jones, I thought you said you buried the treasure 130 feet deep!

Jones: Aye Capt'n, we put the stone 90 feet down in the hole.

Kidd: What, man? How the hell are we supposed to find that?

Jones: Well, sir, we also left a depression in the ground, and we left the block and tackle on the old oak tree as well. And the other boys placed layers of logs every 10 feet, and also layers of flagstones.

Kidd: Why in the world would they do that, Mr. Jones?

Jones: Sir, they decided that if anyone saw the depression and started digging, all of this would confuse them and maybe they would stop digging. Honestly, sir, it was Smooty's idea.

Kidd: My God, man, it'll do the opposite. Those are telltale signs of buried treasure! Every buried pirate treasure has log platforms and flagstone layers. Even if a couple of kids stumble on this they'll want to dig to China. This is terrible. And Smooty's an idiot.

Jones: Not to worry, sir. We also dug several flood tunnels out to the cove. If anyone tries to dig for the treasure, the tunnels will flood the hole. They'll never reach it.

Kidd: Then how will we be able to retrieve the treasure?

Jones: Ah, Capt'n, it's brilliant! We just dig up the flood tunnels and block them.

Kidd: And how deep are these flood tunnels?

Jones: Around 100 feet deep, I reckon.

Kidd: Oh Lord, are you serious? OK, how are the flood tunnels marked? And what if someone else triggers the flood tunnels before we get back?

Jones: Well, sir, I really didn't think that far ahead. Again, it was Smooty's idea.

Kidd: Jesus Christ, Jones, this is a disaster. First, you buried our loot 130 feet deep, on a 30-foot high island for God's sake! Then you buried the marker stone 90 feet deep where we'll never find it! Finally, you booby-trapped the hole with no way to disable it! We'll never be able to get that treasure back. Why couldn't you just bury it 10 feet deep and be done?

Jones: Well, sir, we was having fun making it elaborate and all. And Smooty kept egging us on, he did.

Kidd: Mr. Jones, you will be walking the plank tomorrow, right after you watch Smooty walk the plank.

Again, this is true, I swear it is. And it shows there really is buried treasure on Oak Island.