Ship Bell Found

[ARC]

Btw... Portuguese is highly probable.

 

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[ARC]

A little more info I got from my buddy. He is not the one who found it. The bell is small. It is 8" tall and 5" to 6" in diameter at the base.

8 inches... wow... that is a lot smaller than I imagined... I thought 12-15 at the very least.

This might change things quite a bit... as far a ships size for sure.

This could have been on a Patache... or ?

 

[sailaway]

I like the ID on the Palmetto pattern, which I came up with in my own research. On the other side of the bell are the letters R......L and then the symbol made up of a capital A and two horizontal lines and a circle above.

The foundry in Dubrovnik recieved crucibles from Germany and I believe this is a example by the marks you describe.

Numerous crucibles were well preserved, although none in their entirety, and sufficient frag-ments were recovered to undertake reconstruction. A stamp and/or measure mark survives on the bases of over 40 vessels , indicating that the majority of graphite crucibles came from the south Bavarian workshop in Obernzell, which belonged to the Kaufmann family of craftsmen. These stamps are variations of the number ‘4’ crossed by a horizontal dash, with two initials on either side of the vertical, framed in a cartouche 340 × 200mm in size. The number ‘4’ in this form also marked with a letter S, probably an indication of size, on the evidence of finds from an excavated dump of over 800 artefacts found at Oberstockstall in Austria and related to alchemy. These include many crucibles with one or two T-shaped marks, in varying sizes, which were interpreted as size indicators. Similar cartouche stamps from the production centre at Obernezell in Bavaria have recently been published, and the Dubrovnik examples are only slightly different.
https://www.academia.edu/1454726/A_...Dubrovnik_Post-Medieval_Archaeology_45_2_2011

The A you describe is actually a 4 as the mark for the Kaufmann Family and the o may indicate the crucible origin was Obernzell or Oberstockstall. Notice the preceding letters of R.... I are contained within the name Dubrovnik.

Here is a brief history of ships from Dubrovnik
http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/et111.html
so yes, Columbus had two sailors on board from here

 

[ARC]

There is NO makers mark.... like I said yesterday and later deleted... "what are you guys smoking" ?

 

[Vinmans Relics]

Looks like a T before the A =TAFAN

 

[bobinsd]

8 inches... wow... that is a lot smaller than I imagined... I thought 12-15 at the very least.

This might change things quite a bit... as far a ships size for sure.

This could have been on a Patache... or ?

...or

A dinner bell.

 

[ARC]

A pair of triangles bound together at their base... thus forming a double triangle... this was an ancient symbol for offering... and often appeared on altars.
Offerings mostly were flowers... fruit... or grown products.

 

[sailaway]

Only in the church of St. Peter the Great (crkva sv. Petra Velikog), the remains of which are hidden under the floor of The Luka Sorkocevic Art School in Dubrovnik, about two hundred fragments with interlaced patterns were found! See [Early Medieval Sculpture in Durbovnik].

the upper design on the bell if from Art School Design indicating source of Dubrovnik as Home Port. The Church stands close to the entrance to Dubrovnik Harbor.

 

[sailaway]

Spanish translation

estafan ≈ they defraud
The word estafan is the present form of estafar in the third person plural. See the full estafar conjugation.
estafar
to defraud
to swindle


Dictionary Conjugation Pronunciation
estafar(ehs-tah-fahr)
TRANSITIVE VERB
1. (legal)
a. to defraud
b. to swindle

2. (to deceive)
a. to rip off (colloquial)
b. to con

Is This a modern Fake with real History? or could it be the moto of Pirates? or the real deal?

 

[sailaway]

Skream1 if you are truly Canadian you should know:

Ontario Heritage Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. O.18
no person shall do any of the following unless the person applies to the Minister and is issued a licence under this Part that allows the person to carry out the activity in question:
Knowing that a site is a marine or other archaeological site, within the meaning of the regulations, alter the site or remove an artifact or any other physical evidence of past human use or activity from the site.

this includes import or export of artifacts

 

[Salvor6]

Anyway... posts will soon be deleted... so don't quote me please.

Thread is derailed enough as it is IMO.

I am afraid to state my opinions on this any further until more from OP.

I want that size first.

AARC you said you were......

 

[Salvor6]

afraid to state your

 

[Salvor6]

opinions on this anymore. And

 

[Salvor6]

yet you have posted

 

[Salvor6]

fifteen more times since then. What gives?

 

[Salvor6]

No wonder you have over 18,000 posts in just over 4 years as a member

 

[Salvor6]

of Treasurenet.

 

[enrada]

Options for this post:
1. Start a GoFundMe to have it conserved.
2. Discontinue this worn out post so that people's time is no longer wasted.
3. Put the bell back where you found it and forget about it.

!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ARC]

AARC you said you were......

and half OR MORE were... pay attention.

 

[ARC]

No wonder you have over 18,000 posts in just over 4 years as a member

IF I left every post I wrote on Tnet... I would have AT LEAST DOUBLE that in posts...

And who cares how many posts someone has here ? :/