Season 4

[Robot]

"Touch Wood"...or... "Knock on Wood"!

The "Wooden Plank" has been dated to the early part of the 18th Century.

Could the plank found be that of the 18th Century British Man of War...HMS Sterling Castle?



From: Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe, the Truth!

Was the Royal Navy Ship "HMS Sterling Castle" not really damaged in her engagement with the taking of Morro Castle Havana?

Was it only a deceitful plan that Admiral Pocock used to pretend to scuttle her, but in reality used the ship to transport their treasure from Havana to Oak Island?

Was it in fact that the "HMS Sterling Castle" was one of the unfortunate ships scuttled and deposed of at Oak Island?

A credible witness wrote that the Sterling Castle did not engage any enemy fire and the captain of this ship was Court Martialed for his misbehavior.

"1762 Letter by Major Alexander Monypenny about the Havana Siege
1st. July. Our Batteries open on the Morro, at the same time. The Cambridge, Dragon & Marborough laid their broad sides opposite to it. The Stirling Castle had Ordrs to sail by. & draw off the Fire, whilst the other ships were placing themselves. Tis said, she did not obey her orders. Capt. Campbell (formerly The Nightingale) is now trying by a Court Martial for misbehaviour. The Fort was too high, they did it little damage, whilst the enemy plung`d every shot into the ships; Captain Goosetree, & a great many men of the Cambridge were kill`d: the others suffer`d, but not so much. They were ordered off. The Cambridge could set one sail."

"HMS Stirling Castle was a 70-gun third rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, built at Chatham Dockyard to the 1733 proposals of the 1719 Establishment, and launched on 24 April 1742.[1]
Whilst under the command of Captain Thomas Cooper, Stirling Castle took part in the Battle of Toulon on 11 February 1744. Stirling Castle was the lead ship in Rear-Admiral William Rowley's van division of AdmiralThomas Mathews' fleet that engaged the France-Spanish fleet. After the battle several officers were court-martialed, including Captain Cooper who appeared on 12 May at Port Mahon, where he was dismissed the service. He was immediately restored to his former rank and command however, as the charges against him were not deemed detrimental to either his professional honour or his ability as a sea officer.

Now! All the Lagina Brothers need is to locate an Anchor or Canon with her markings!

 

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[Singlestack Wonder]

The timbers that were located every 10 feet was also a myth. With the money pit actually being a natural sink hole, the timbers found were just the remnants of trees that either fell in when the ground collapsed or thrown in by men. There has never been proof that floors were built with timbers at incremental depths.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

The "Wooden Plank" has been dated to the early part of the 18th Century.

Could the plank found be that of the 18th Century British Man of War...HMS Sterling Castle?

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From: Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe, the Truth!

Was the Royal Navy Ship "HMS Sterling Castle" not really damaged in her engagement with the taking of Morro Castle Havana?

Was it only a deceitful plan that Admiral Pocock used to pretend to scuttle her, but in reality used the ship to transport their treasure from Havana to Oak Island?

Was it in fact that the "HMS Sterling Castle" was one of the unfortunate ships scuttled and deposed of at Oak Island?

A credible witness wrote that the Sterling Castle did not engage any enemy fire and the captain of this ship was Court Martialed for his misbehavior.

"1762 Letter by Major Alexander Monypenny about the Havana Siege
1st. July. Our Batteries open on the Morro, at the same time. The Cambridge, Dragon & Marborough laid their broad sides opposite to it. The Stirling Castle had Ordrs to sail by. & draw off the Fire, whilst the other ships were placing themselves. Tis said, she did not obey her orders. Capt. Campbell (formerly The Nightingale) is now trying by a Court Martial for misbehaviour. The Fort was too high, they did it little damage, whilst the enemy plung`d every shot into the ships; Captain Goosetree, & a great many men of the Cambridge were kill`d: the others suffer`d, but not so much. They were ordered off. The Cambridge could set one sail."

"HMS Stirling Castle was a 70-gun third rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, built at Chatham Dockyard to the 1733 proposals of the 1719 Establishment, and launched on 24 April 1742.[1]
Whilst under the command of Captain Thomas Cooper, Stirling Castle took part in the Battle of Toulon on 11 February 1744. Stirling Castle was the lead ship in Rear-Admiral William Rowley's van division of AdmiralThomas Mathews' fleet that engaged the France-Spanish fleet. After the battle several officers were court-martialed, including Captain Cooper who appeared on 12 May at Port Mahon, where he was dismissed the service. He was immediately restored to his former rank and command however, as the charges against him were not deemed detrimental to either his professional honour or his ability as a sea officer.

Now! All the Lagina Brothers need is to locate an Anchor or Canon with her markings!

And the bs continues...

 

[gazzahk]

Now! All the Lagina Brothers need is to locate an Anchor or Canon with her markings!

Interesting speculation... However one would think if a ship if this size was sunk there then there would be a lot more evidence. ie the metal/sonar detection would have shown large amounts of metal when they did that scan. Nothing in what they have said suggests an abundance of metal.

Also with the amount of poking around in the swamp that Fred Nolan did over his lifetime you would also think he would of found more evidence rather then the few timbers that was claimed he found.

AS stated earlier what really surprises me about the swamp is what they have not found. Where are the abandoned tin cans, household items, old bikes, broken equipment etc. that normally get dumped in a swamp. There have been years of treasure hunting here and the only metal they have found is 1 coin and Fred Nolan survey peg. There seems to have been an amazingly good environmental minded treasure hunters on the island for none of them to have used the swamp to dump rubbish.

I would bet a decent wager that they will not find a sunken ship of size sitting in the swamp under the mud. The boards they have found are more likely the remnants of an old pier, walkway or raft previous treasure hunters have made when searching the swamp.

I would love to be proven wrong.. But I doubt it...

 

[gazzahk]

In light of everything we have seen so far,...what are the feelings NOW of this man's theory? He has felt from very early on that a ship had been "stuck" in the pit. His voice is annoying,...but what are your opinions?

This is the most implausible theory I have seen. I want some of the stuff that this dude has been smoking

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

It's also important to note that the swamp was created when the road beside it was built and it blocked the natural run-off of the water coming from upland.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

That's what happens with a little information and a lot of speculation. Look at his hopelessly unseaworthy cylindrical hull longship model he holds. The Norse, not being complete idiots, made their ships at least twice as wide as they were deep. Most were 3:1. They were also 5x as long as they were wide. So a 15 ft wide by 80 ft ship like the one excavated at Nydam would have required a round hole of at least 15 feet to tip it in. That, and they did not use bulkheads.

Plausibility? <2%.

 

[n2mini]

It's also important to note that the swamp was created when the road beside it was built and it blocked the natural run-off of the water coming from upland.

I may be wrong ( it has happened a time or two before!! ) that the road came long after the swamp and most everything we know about the area. It was probably put in around the time of the casue-way road was built ( late 60's ) and I think the swamp was already known about by then..

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

I may be wrong ( it has happened a time or two before!! ) that the road came long after the swamp and most everything we know about the area. It was probably put in around the time of the casue-way road was built ( late 60's ) and I think the swamp was already known about by then..

There was already a road there in the 60's. They just built it up more.

 

[n2mini]

but was the swamp already there.. Granted it would have to have been pretty deep to get a ship in there and then sink it and some what cover it up. but heck IF there is/was all this tunneling going on sinking a ship would be easy work..

 

[sasquash]

A new analysis here:
The Curse of Oak Island- Season 4, Episode 3: Swamp Things - Canada History and Mysteries

 

[sasquash]

Why this map of Oak Island from 1699 (Halifax Museum) looks so different from now?



(sorry new upload of map causes some problems with earlier replies)

 

[Robot]

Interesting speculation... However one would think if a ship if this size was sunk there then there would be a lot more evidence. ie the metal/sonar detection would have shown large amounts of metal when they did that scan. Nothing in what they have said suggests an abundance of metal.

Also with the amount of poking around in the swamp that Fred Nolan did over his lifetime you would also think he would of found more evidence rather then the few timbers that was claimed he found.

AS stated earlier what really surprises me about the swamp is what they have not found. Where are the abandoned tin cans, household items, old bikes, broken equipment etc. that normally get dumped in a swamp. There have been years of treasure hunting here and the only metal they have found is 1 coin and Fred Nolan survey peg. There seems to have been an amazingly good environmental minded treasure hunters on the island for none of them to have used the swamp to dump rubbish.

I would bet a decent wager that they will not find a sunken ship of size sitting in the swamp under the mud. The boards they have found are more likely the remnants of an old pier, walkway or raft previous treasure hunters have made when searching the swamp.

I would love to be proven wrong.. But I doubt it...

My theory is:

To move the extensive Treasure from Havana to Oak Island the Freemasons needed the use of several disposable ships.

Once the Treasure was offloaded they dismantled each ship, using boards and planks from these ships in their construction.

All metal parts (canons, anchors, etc.) were placed at the bottom of the shaft, all remaining wood burnt or presumably discarded.

No evidence could be found later, as they knew that their act of robbing the Crown would be Treasonous!

 

[Robot]

It's also important to note that the swamp was created when the road beside it was built and it blocked the natural run-off of the water coming from upland.

My theory:

The Swamp was created long before any excavation of the Island.

It was deliberately formed from the dirt removed from the Shaft and Tunnels.

It was created by Sir Francis Bacon`s design of a Burial Tomb buried under water to preserve both his Manuscripts and his Body!

 

[Robot]

Why this map of Oak Island from 1699 (Halifax Museum) looks so different from now?

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Excellent Research...sasquash!

This Map confirms that the Swamp would have been created in the 18th Century!

and

If the Lagina Brothers believe that 14th Century Knights Templar left their Treasure there it was only accomplished for them by 18th Century "Freemasons"

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Why this map of Oak Island from 1699 (Halifax Museum) looks so different from now?

View attachment 1387004

Here's a map of Florida from the same year. Cartographers weren't so hot before longitude.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

but was the swamp already there.. Granted it would have to have been pretty deep to get a ship in there and then sink it and some what cover it up. but heck IF there is/was all this tunneling going on sinking a ship would be easy work..

Do buy into the kool aid. There never was a ship brought in and sunk. It may be hard for folks to swallow but the fact is that there never was a treasure vault on the island much less sunken ships carrying treasure. Oak Island is the world's longest running hoax. People need to stop wasting their time trying find some caveat indicating the presense of anything on Oak Island. The island has been searched exhaustively for 200 years with nothing found.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

It's probably also the only treasure legend that didn't start with at least a known treasure to base it on. It's just a site that had a hole.

 

[gazzahk]

My theory is:

To move the extensive Treasure from Havana to Oak Island the Freemasons needed the use of several disposable ships.

Once the Treasure was offloaded they dismantled each ship, using boards and planks from these ships in their construction.

All metal parts (canons, anchors, etc.) were placed at the bottom of the shaft, all remaining wood burnt or presumably discarded.

No evidence could be found later, as they knew that their act of robbing the Crown would be Treasonous!

Hmm interesting theory... So what do you think they will find in the swamp?

 

[gazzahk]

It's probably also the only treasure legend that didn't start with at least a known treasure to base it on. It's just a site that had a hole.

That is the main reason that I personally found the descendants of the original boys from last season that claimed the boys had found three treasure chests (of which the gold cross was offered as evidence) the most plausible. The fact that actual treasure was found there is the basis of the ongoing legend that more treasure was there. I assume the boys kept it secret for fear of having it taken away from them. But they probably told some people and the rumors grew......