Season 4

Thanks Robot..

There are other articles establishing this as well, plus the fact that there was fishing by others, including Portugese up and down the coast from Havana to at least NS from 1580 forward. With Havana being used as a port city to distribute goods from all over, tip of Africa to NS to back across the Atlantic. The north Atlantic being known as a rich fishing grounds with fishing stations scattered to process the fish in these areas. Sun drying and salt being the two ways they preserved the fish for transport.

I wonder if they used the island instead of the mainland for a fishing station either because they could only get grants for the islands from the British, or because of the problem of being protected, which the island would offer a bit more security being able to see anyone coming etc..By 1762 we know the island was surveyed for lot's to be granted or sold..So the fishing company would have had to relinguish it's grant by then back to the British. Whether that was part of the agreement when they were granted the island or by decree at a later date by the British, we at least know the fishing company had control of the island for about 8 or 9 years, long enough period of time they would have used it for 'something'...especially if they did not have a date beforehand when they recieved the grant to have to be off the island.

So once again..with the background of the area, well known fishing grounds, the grant of the island to a fishing company, the need of salt at virtually no cost to produce themselves, the means and method to make this salt being known and used throughout the world (even now) and in northern climates, the physical evidence of what was found in Smith's Cove...

I'm still saying salt works...and may have been used even after the fishing company left the island as salt would be needed by the British and colonists also...and that it is a fact that almost every small community along the coast thruout Europe used some variety of this method to get sea salt for local use. Including the UK.

In fact what would be more unusual is if there wasn't a salt works somewhere in the area as the British were wanting to colonize this whole section of NS.
 

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It boggles the mind to think that with all this (fishing) activity, that anyone would choose THIS island to bury (in secret) something of greater value than a deceased pet.
 

Oak Island for sale!

Article from 2005....

Interesting part, to me, is the mention of the gov't trying to figure out the worth as part of a liquidation sale...Does that mean they were going to seize it for back taxes or some other reason?

For Sale: Island with Mysterious Money Pit
 

Even if there was a fishing company on the island and that is why the "Finger Drains" are there and the coffer dam, that answers that but for those of us that believe the Money Pit is real in that it was dug way back when regardless if there ever was a treasure in it, there is still the quesion of why. Who would dig a hole that deep without a good reason? Most all searchers believed the drains were for the Money Pit but may have nothing to do with it of course. Possibly two separate time frames of people..
 

Oak Island for sale!

Article from 2005....

Interesting part, to me, is the mention of the gov't trying to figure out the worth as part of a liquidation sale...Does that mean they were going to seize it for back taxes or some other reason?

For Sale: Island with Mysterious Money Pit
It gets me that people would pay 7-8 million for it. That is a hell of a lot of tourists to recoup your money.

I live in Hong Kong but grew up in country Australia and cannot imagine wanting to live on a tiny little island out in the middle of nowhere that freezes over for half the year... Other then tourism I don not see how you could make any money from the island.

The Laginas at least seem to have shown that there is virtually zero chance that a treasure is buried there, and even if there is Canadian law seems to say it belongs to the government anyway if you do find some treasure on the island.

I also imagine tourism interest will drop of pretty quick once the series stop.

When you think where you could live and the fun you could have with 8 million Oak Island seems a pretty bad choice is my view.....
 

Even if there was a fishing company on the island and that is why the "Finger Drains" are there and the coffer dam, that answers that but for those of us that believe the Money Pit is real in that it was dug way back when regardless if there ever was a treasure in it, there is still the quesion of why. Who would dig a hole that deep without a good reason? Most all searchers believed the drains were for the Money Pit but may have nothing to do with it of course. Possibly two separate time frames of people..
I think that is the point my friend. There is no reason that someone would dig a hole that deep (other then searching for rumored treasure). The hole in my view has been dug that deep by people thinking that if they dig a bit deeper they will find the treasure...

My view is that - There may of been treasure there once but it is long gone. If treasure ever existed in that small depression on the ground the 3 guys who found it took it. The treasure was buried pretty shallow (such as makes sense if burying treasure). The rest is simply people hearing about 'possible' treasure and digging deeper. Even the original finders came back hoping that more treasure was buried there (they even seem to have purchased up other island near OI in the hope of finding more treasure).

The beach is a mystery that has not been adequately answered. But does not seem to have any relationship with the hole over 500ft away.

There must be some type of natural fissure/tunnel that explains the water at 100 ft.

Dan is combining his dreams with wishful thinking if he still believes 10X is man made.

The Lagina brothers do not any longer believe they will find treasure and are just going through the motions to sell the show.

Out of all the theories put forward the 'most plausible' one was the British military engineers - but even if this one was true (which I do not believe was) they would of come back and got whatever they buried.

Everything else that has been shown off (ie rocks, wells etc) the island has nothing to do with OI.

Having said all this I have really enjoyed the series in large part due to what I have learned discussing things here with interesting and intelligent people....
 

That is the most fun for me...learning history through research for something else, the Lagina's show triggered that, so I owe them thanks for spending $7m, I now have read more history of that whole area than I would have bothered to without a 'goal' of some kind. First it was the treasure, but when I had convinced myself (of course you don't have to believe that)there was none, then the known, provable, items became more of interest. Which once again led to history of other things, and continue to..

Some one a while back in this thread (Sorry if you are he/she, but I don't remember your name) questioned when I said the money pit may be no more than a spot that an animal, deer, etc was hung to dress out, it fits that description with the reported block and tackle, small depression from some kind of activity etc. So why not? They responded that there could not be deer on the island or any other large animals. Well, and this is how a question leads to research, I just read a report on islands in Mahone Bay that stated it would be hard to find one that didn't have whitetail deer tracks, scat, and runs all over it. Now I am not saying this to validate any kind of theory or to say "I told you so", only that one thing leads to another and doing a bit of research opens up new possibilities. My natural curiosity of 'things' made me question IF there were actually larger animals on these islands, with the internet these questions are easily answered...

Not so easily answered is the how or why anyone would bury a treasure there..
 

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Having said all this I have really enjoyed the series in large part due to what I have learned discussing things here with interesting and intelligent people....

Same here. Curse of Oak Island is not a National Geographic show about the finding of lost treasure (for example: Tuts tomb)... it's a weekly show about methods used for the hunting for lost treasures. The digging & bore hole tech is very interesting; I've never seen a lot of what's being used on the island. Some of it is massive scale - that I would never be able to see/witness for myself.

It's this simple to me, at the very beginning of the show - I easily determined that there was probably nothing of value there solely due to the narrator they are using... (Ancient Alien Hair Styles show). I realized this Oak Island show is about all the tools/tech one can use to search for lost items; and not necessarily about ever reaching a monumental find.

Each new episode of TCoOI, I look forward to the Laginas utilizing a new type of technology that I have never seen before, and hopefully some camera time given to Dan Blakenship (who I've learned to have much respect for).

Also, for those that haven't seen this yet, this web page has a interesting take on what the coconut fibers were actually used for:

see diagram "Coconut Retting Pit"
near the bottom of the page:
The Blockhouse Blog - The Oak Island Compendium
 

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Here is the direct link to the rhetting article...The Blockhouse Blog - The Oak Island Compendium

One of the problems with this theory is that the drains were found to drain TO the shore not away from it as the drawing shows...all 5 drained to a 24' deep sump or well as Dunfield reported...

Interesting though..
 

Here is the direct link to the rhetting article...The Blockhouse Blog - The Oak Island Compendium

One of the problems with this theory is that the drains were found to drain TO the shore not away from it as the drawing shows...all 5 drained to a 24' deep sump or well as Dunfield reported...

Interesting though..
yep...very interesting. Does seem to some extent fit with the description of simths cove. Drains, stones, eel grass, fibres, sand.

The biggest question it raises in my mind is why where they left there and not harvested. I suppose they could of had enough and not needed the last lot.

The use of sand on top rather then gravel would of complicated the process too.

Still on a superfical level this theory seems quite plausable to me.
 

How would the fibers be drained and cleaned as they describe with the drains sloping the wrong direction? If we believe Dunfield, which I have no reason to doubt...they drained towards the shore and into the sump (at a 24 degree angle I think the figure was), which would make it impossible to use them as drains to rinse the fibers as this article states...

So that info to me makes this idea not possible.
 

How would the fibers be drained and cleaned as they describe with the drains sloping the wrong direction? If we believe Dunfield, which I have no reason to doubt...they drained towards the shore and into the sump (at a 24 degree angle I think the figure was), which would make it impossible to use them as drains to rinse the fibers as this article states...

So that info to me makes this idea not possible.
I do not think this is a problem. It would not mater which way the water drained. The drains would only be opened once the tide went back down so there would not be that much water left to drain. Just what was retained in the fibre and grass so draining back onto the island just might of been most practical. It may also be that some other part of the process needed water on the island so getting the water on the island was needed so the drains served two purposes. Ie the dirty sandy fibres may of been dropped in the well as a final cleaning process.
 

Huh? Look at the drawing they made, the "pit" is above the drain, yet below high tide...this pit is where the fibers went to be rhetted....with the renderings from the fibre washed away at high tide and leaving the inner core...down and out though the drains..

The drains in the cove and the "pit" there, has the "pit" below the drains and 24' deep with no way for the water in it to escape anywhere....which defeats the purpose of washing the fibers as it is the action of the water draining through them and then out that removes the outer cover from the core...

Exactly opposite of what is needed to rhett the fiber...

Sorry...we will not agree on this, not built anywhere near to practical for their stated purpose..
 

You know why they will go again in 10x ?
Rick and Dave are the registred directors of the Oak Island Tour Company.
The others are associate.
If they are going on broke only the Oak Island Tour will lose $$$
 

Huh? Look at the drawing they made, the "pit" is above the drain, yet below high tide...this pit is where the fibers went to be rhetted....with the renderings from the fibre washed away at high tide and leaving the inner core...down and out though the drains..

The drains in the cove and the "pit" there, has the "pit" below the drains and 24' deep with no way for the water in it to escape anywhere....which defeats the purpose of washing the fibers as it is the action of the water draining through them and then out that removes the outer cover from the core...

Exactly opposite of what is needed to rhett the fiber...

Sorry...we will not agree on this, not built anywhere near to practical for their stated purpose..
No not doing it the same way as shown just the same end result. The goal is to soften the fibres. The illistration shown is a method of doing it.

The OI version may be a similar idea but the method a bit different.

Seniro (just speculating)

One builds some drainage because the natural beach does not drain. Ie drains, rocks etc. Then the coconut fibres are layed out over the rocks eel grass etc.. Then sand put over them to stop them washing away. The drainage is neded to stop them just staying wet all the time and rotting. The tides regulary come in soak the fibres and then when the tide goes out the fibres to some degee dry out and then soak again etc the process is allowed to go on for a period of time that is long enough for them to go soft (no idea how long this would take could be weeks, months). When the required time is done the cocnut fibres are retrived from the beach to go through the next part of the process (which may of included the sump/Well). To me this would expalian the effort of having fibres spread over the whole beach as reported as compared to just above the drains which is all that would be needed if just filtering the water to the drains.

I do not know the process needed to soften the fibres but there is likely to have been more then one way to do it. This though does seem a possible reason to explain the effort in building the beach.

Looking forward to there up and coming article on smiths cove. These guys seem to be doing much more real research than the laginas...
 

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That may explain fibres on the beach, to you....but shows nothing for the finger drains to do, at all...tide in, tide out, ANY beach would work with nothing more than laying out the fibre on the sand and covering with more sand to hold in place....in your scenario

It also doesn't take into account the well being used for anything...and if it did process fiber, at 24' deep, there would have been residual fibres layers deep in the bottom of it they couldn't retrieve because the well would have been full of water at all times...Dunfield would have reported several feet of fibre in the well if they had been there. He reported a smooth flat bottom, with no drain or tunnel exit for water to go.
 

So i look forward to there article hopefuly they will put forward a plausable sceniro that answers all the evidence..

Not saying i think that the coconut softening is the answer but it at least is a different theory i have not heard before that does hold some promise of the reason for building that beach....
 

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It also doesn't take into account the well being used for anything...and if it did process fiber, at 24' deep, there would have been residual fibres layers deep in the bottom of it they couldn't retrieve because the well would have been full of water at all times...Dunfield would have reported several feet of fibre in the well if they had been there. He reported a smooth flat bottom, with no drain or tunnel exit for water to go.
Not necessarily. There could of been a bottom on the well that had ropes tied to it so it was easy to lift out all the fibers once dunked in the well. Similar to when they dip grapes in a dunking well when starting the drying process to make raisons etc. Ie a pully over the well then the fibres stacked on the shelf/platform then lowered into well and then then raised when been in there long enough. This also would allow the fibres to be dunked raised and dunked again until cleaned enough..


Somthing like this image

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=...coconut+retting+ancient&imgrc=sRv7RsymLVKqqM:

Not saying this process but the fibres lowered and raised in pit/well using a system somthing like this
 

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What am I missing? All these theories about booby-trap water tunnels sounds very James Bond. As in high tech. In the centuries this was supposedly done, there wasn't indoor plumbing let alone this kind of drainage. Cholera killed more soldiers in the Civil War than artillery. People were still dying of dysentery in WWI. And there definitely wasn't the required digging equipment hundreds of years ago, especially on ships.

I'm no engineer, so why is this so plausible to everyone? I don't get it.
 

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