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[ZumbroKid]

The u s sent them to Finland prior to the war. Big money in weapons even then. Brewester F2a Buffalo is the american name of this one. Outdate when sent there.

 

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[nahabit]

Hey guys, why does the plane sitting in the marsh have nazi symbols on it if it is a American Brewster B-239? I'm sure somebody here will know. Thanks!

America sold these planes of Finland in 1938-1941, therefore the Finnish pilots took part in fights of 1941 by the American planes with nazi symbols (Finland was the ally Hitler)

To Finland were delivered not Brewster Buffalo, and closer to initial model F2A-1. the Air Forces the USA have a little changed model B-239 F2A - first of all have removed a hook, which is necessary only for landing to an aircraft carrier, (At Finland as during war, and now aircraft carriers were not, and is not present), that is - sights, arms, devices and the equipment necessary for rise the USA have removed from an aircraft carrier and orientation in the sea all property of the Navy. This fact has inexpressibly surprised Finland at assembly of planes at factory SAAB. The Finnish side had been lead modernization B-239, booking a cabin, metric devices have been established, optical sights Aldis are established, in the spring 1941г. them have replaced, on sights of Finnish manufacture Vaisila T.h.m. of 40 designs similar with Revi 3c. The unique machine gun of calibre 30. has been replaced on 4 12,7мм. a machine gun by all planes to 1943г. except for one. Later in structure HLeLv 24 and HLeLv 26 Air Forces of Finland they with success continued to be used up to the middle of 1944

 

[nybuford]

Nahabit... fantastic stuff. Thank you for sharing!
Bu

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Hey guys, why does the plane sitting in the marsh have nazi symbols on it if it is a American Brewster B-239? I'm sure somebody here will know. Thanks!

America sold these planes of Finland in 1938-1941, therefore the Finnish pilots took part in fights of 1941 by the American planes with nazi symbols (Finland was the ally Hitler)







You are very knowlegable on your WWII history, nahabit, and a great person. Many people here in the U.S. do not know this. Finland, in a desperate attempt to keep from losing any more of their land to the Russians, fought on the side of Nazi Germany. I have an original set of Newsweek Magazines from 1939-41 as the news happened on the war in progress. I don't know if you got the same history lesson. Hitler and Stalin were originally Allied and planned the split up of Poland and other countries. Stalin was in complete shock when later attacked by Germany. If they had remained partners the war could have been much different.
You said it best. Only governments were at war, not the people.
BCH

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

[=nahabit ]
on foto Brewster B-239 american aircraft - was downed in 1939-1940 during batle Soviet Union again Finland
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Q) side thing, but I notice that the aircraft has swastikas?

The Brewster Buffalo was considered obsolete in 1939. It was no match for the Japanese Zero.

Still I always liked it's stubby shape. Wanted to fly one.

Till Eulenspiegle de La Mancha

 

[nahabit]

[=nahabit ]
on foto Brewster B-239 american aircraft - was downed in 1939-1940 during batle Soviet Union again Finland
**************
Q) side thing, but I notice that the aircraft has swastikas?

The Brewster Buffalo was considered obsolete in 1939. It was no match for the Japanese Zero.

Still I always liked it's stubby shape. Wanted to fly one.

Till Eulenspiegle de La Mancha

Tell you closely read all answers? Also tell what attitude had Airforce Finland to Japan? In general that Japan was the ally Hitler and the ally of Finland.The word of honour bothers on hundred times to explain one and too. America has sold planes Finland-finland were those years the ally of Germany and had NAZI the government

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Nahabit, No offense, but you sometimes talk to TN members in a condescending manner. Realde knows history and you can learn something from him. He fought in World War II and was a pilot. I think what he meant was that this was an American plane that was obsolete in our war with Japan so was sold to Finland. I hope you are not offended by me and words might just be lost in translation.

 

[nahabit]

Nahabit, No offense, but you sometimes talk to TN members in a condescending manner. Realde knows history and you can learn something from him. He fought in World War II and was a pilot. I think what he meant was that this was an American plane that was obsolete in our war with Japan so was sold to Finland. I hope you are not offended by me and words might just be lost in translation.

He has asked why onboard a swastika I have answered. The American pilots brave pilots!

America has sold Finland dust

 

[DigEmAll]

It's the language barrier thing again....

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

America has sold Finland dust LOL

You need to read closely. He said:The Brewster Buffalo was considered obsolete in 1939. It was no match for the Japanese Zero.

Still I always liked it's stubby shape. Wanted to fly one

It is OK. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

 

[DigEmAll]

"America has sold Finland dust."

Exactly.... America does this everytime we sell military technology. We sell our old stuff to make room for new stuff. We aren't going to sell our latest and greatest things.

We might sell Mexico our old B-52's to use for drug running, but we'll keep the Stealth close to home... until the Cloaked bomber shows up!

 

[DigEmAll]

BTW, when Nahabit says "You need to read closely" I don't think that he is meaning that you are not paying attention. I believe that he means that you need to dig into what he has said for the proper meaning. He understands that there is a language barrier as well.

 

[nahabit]

Several years ago in Siberia have found fragments of the American bomber he has been damaged above Japan and flied on the Soviet air station has not reached.....He flying fortress seems referred to

 

[DigEmAll]

Ahhh yes.... the Boeing B-17. Called the "Flying Fortress" because it was nearly impossible to shoot down. A very hardy plane!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

nahabit, You are doing very good with the languages. And you will get better. It is cool. Sometimes misunderstanding. 8)

 

[nahabit]

On August, 17, 1943 all capable to rise in air bombers of 8-th air army have headed to the main industrial centers of southern Germany: planes of nine bombing groups went on Swine-Furt, seven - to Regensburg. This spot-check became the culmination of strategy of command of the American Air Forces believing, that bombers well armed and shown in the big groups are capable independently, without the help of fighters of support, to beat off in depth of Germany of attack of interceptors. Spot-check by full route has terminated.

By the end of day during air battle it has been brought down 59 of " flying fortresses ". More than half from this number - on the account of pilots JG-1 and JG-1 1; losses of Germans - one lost pilot!

 

[nahabit]

There is no it simply the facts, any insults, all of us respect each other, I am simple so I understand also fortresses suffered failures in fights/Pilots American Af what I only saw the most brave, the Soviet pilots can compare to them - made only set of feats, and our 2 pilots have brought down on 70 German pirates/It is impossible conduct reasonings on air fights not speaking about losses.

 

[SomeGuy]

B-52's are cool......have flown on one before. A shipping company here in the U.S. called Airborne ( similar to U.P.S. ) uses some of the old ones for transporting mail and packages. I have a 1942 edition of the World Atlas that has an entire section devoted to the war planes of the period. Very interesting.

Judy

B-52's are not of WWII vintage, they are jets developed in the 50's, and still in use.

B-17's were nicknamed flying fortresses, and they could take a beating and still fly, but nahabit is right: unescorted daylight bomber raids were very costly, even disasterous. This is why the RAF bombed at night. But you couldn't do precision bombig in the dark, that's why the US bombed in daylight. The solution came with the development of the P-51 equipped with external drop tanks. These fighters had the range to escort the bombers the full distance, and had higher speed and better climb rate than the Messerscmidts, but were not as well armed.

Nahabit, I don't think B-17s were used in the Pacific theater, so the remains you found were probably a B-24 Liberater or B-29 Superfortress.

 

[DigEmAll]

B-17's were used all over the the Pacific. One of the most well known incidents with B-17's happened when radar operators thought a flight of B-17's coming in from California had arrived earlier than expected on December 7th, 1941.

http://www.airtoaircombat.com/background.asp?bg=708&id=61

 

[DigEmAll]

Here's an even better one for ya....

I just happened to remember that the Memphis Belle is a B-17. The Belle had eight fighter kills and 25 successful bombing missions. Yes, I know she didn't fight in the Pacific.

And a bit of history for ya.

The Memphis Belle was named after Margaret Polk. A girl from Memphis, Tennessee that Captain Robert Morgan, of the brand new, unnamed B-17 had just asked to marry him before he and his new plane headed off to the war in Europe. When she accepted his offer, he had the plane named Memphis Belle. Margaret Polk was a direct decendant of the former President Polk. Think of that the next time you see that beautiful lady on the nose of that plane!