Russian battlefield

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HOLA people: thanks for explaining to our host in my behalf. I was guilty in that I hadn't entered this thread until later and posted as the posts were read, appologies.

I will not do that again, either in here or other posts, but I am a bit curioius as to the Reaction? Why Nahabit?

In the Pacific we used B-17's & B-24's for the heavy bombing in most of the campaigns except for the bombing of Japan itself. That was mostly with B-29's until we approached close enough for others to be used. In 1942 we had B-17's based at Espiritu Santos in the New Hebrides until Guadalcanal was sufficiently taken, then used them to bomb Japanese strongholds as we progressed.

The Brewster Buffalo was practicaly never used by the Us Forces in combat. I believe that they were at Pearl Harbor, possibly in the Philippines where we lost almost all of our aircraft on the first day due to the s-x-x-x- of Douglas Mcarthur.

The few that the British had at Singapore were quicky destroyed by the Japanese who were superb pilots, with a far more maneuverable aircraft, and aided by the equal s-x-x-x- of the British Generals who would not let the RAF pilots use the techiques learned by Chanault and his flying Tigers in China.

For the record, I was not a pilot then, that came between WW-2 and Korea. I was an enlisted Naval Bombardier. I became a Gentleman/Pilot later ( snicker, quiet Judy )

Picture posted with Nahabit's permision, there will be no others since this is about Russia in WW-2 and detecting for war remains.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

" America sells Finland dust "


Hmm...America sells Finland outdated technology....Finland is allied with Nazi's, so they paint the swastika's on them.....Nazi's lose....so we be happy. America has directly and indirectly defeated the Nazi's.
Have I got it right now?


Judy
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Judy, Not exactly. I don't have the original Newsweek magazines with me or any history book at this time, so I will explain from memory. We sold planes to Finland before the war. Hitler and Stalin secretly planned to take over Eastern Europe. Hitler attacked Poland, officially starting WWII. Stalin forcefully took valuable land from Finland. Hitler gets tired of bombing England and attacks his buddy by invading Russia. (which he secretly always wanted to do). Finland, seeing a chance to get it's land back, and no help coming from the U.S., helps in the battle against Russia, by fighting on the side of the Nazis. U.S. quits selling plane parts to Finland. That is the way I remember it. Too bad I don't have the old Newsweeks with me, they were very interestring. One day ally, next day enemy. There is no it simply the facts, any insults, all of us respect each other.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

On August, 17, 1943 all capable to rise in air bombers of 8-th air army have headed to the main industrial centers of southern Germany: planes of nine bombing groups went on Swine-Furt, seven - to Regensburg. This spot-check became the culmination of strategy of command of the American Air Forces believing, that bombers well armed and shown in the big groups are capable independently, without the help of fighters of support, to beat off in depth of Germany of attack of interceptors. Spot-check by full route has terminated.

By the end of day during air battle it has been brought down 59 of " flying fortresses ". More than half from this number - on the account of pilots JG-1 and JG-1 1; losses of Germans - one lost pilot!

Yes it was suicide mission. But they dropped their bombs!

 

[nahabit]

On August, 17, 1943 all capable to rise in air bombers of 8-th air army have headed to the main industrial centers of southern Germany: planes of nine bombing groups went on Swine-Furt, seven - to Regensburg. This spot-check became the culmination of strategy of command of the American Air Forces believing, that bombers well armed and shown in the big groups are capable independently, without the help of fighters of support, to beat off in depth of Germany of attack of interceptors. Spot-check by full route has terminated.

By the end of day during air battle it has been brought down 59 of " flying fortresses ". More than half from this number - on the account of pilots JG-1 and JG-1 1; losses of Germans - one lost pilot!

Yes it was suicide mission. But they dropped their bombs!

they heroes

 

[ZumbroKid]

Check your history books and see just how sucessful the Russians where in their initial invasion attempt of Finland. Date Nov.30th, 1939.

 

[UK_Treasure_Hunter]

Fantastic pictures! I really like WW2 battlefield relics!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Check your history books and see just how sucessful the Russians where in their initial invasion attempt of Finland. Date Nov.30th, 1939.

Hello Pete, welcome to nahabit's "Russian Battlefield". I do not have any history books. I am only recalling from memory a collection of old 1939-41 Newsweek Magazines I read. The Finns were tough fighters. I believe they did lose some land, maybe a port? If you have this information for our readers, please add it.

 

[nahabit]

Check your history books and see just how sucessful the Russians where in their initial invasion attempt of Finland. Date Nov.30th, 1939.

I know it. In 39 year the Finnish border passed in 25 kilometers about Leningrad, the Soviet government has asked Finland to move border in exchange for territory of the Karelian peninsula, in the answer Finns have fired from mortars of a position of our frontier guards to show our leaders the force. In the answer the Soviet government has attacked Finland this war " Winter war " has received the name

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Thank You, nahabit.

 

[nahabit]

And again in this war propagation of Europe and the Soviet union was strong. One named it war for clearing of Finnish people of tyranny of a monarchy others spoke about red intrusion and struggle for freedom. And neither that nor another was not the truth.The unique true statement this that that Finns have better been equipped and have managed to destroy a plenty Russian the soldier. But the quantity Russian the soldier has surpassed quality Finnish, Finns have filled up with meat

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hola People: There are many sides of the "winter war". Most are not complimentary to Russia, but if Russia had not suffered such horrible losses compared to the Finns, who were outnumbered, out equiped, and not able to fight a long war, Stalin would not have been forced to reorganize the Military and replace the Political Commissars with reinstated competent, trained, former purged military officers, and would have quickly lost the war to the invading Germans a little later.

It has been shown that the poor performance of the Russian military against the Finns made a tremendous impression upon Hitler who then considered Russia a paper tiger, and so invaded. Under the circumstances he was correct, but ill informed. If he had succeeded in conquering Russia, or even a large part of her, He most probably would have won WW-2 having Russia's enormous resources in materiel, man power, and vast distances to draw upon, which would have allowed him to set up practically untouchable manufacturing bases.

The Finns were backed by Germany, Britain and US among others against the Russian invasion, and as a result Russia was expelled from the League of Nations. The excuse that Russia used to go to war against Finnland has been equated with Germany's excuse to attack Poland, a contrived one. Even at the time, no-one could believe that such a small country would deliberately attack her huge, much more powerful enemy when there was "no" reason to do so, or anything to be gained by it at the time.

Later Finnland was absorbed into the German ranks against her old enemy Russia, hence the Swastika emblem on the Brewster.

Side note Nahabit, the Japanese Zero was a better performing aircraft than the Me-109 according to many that had access to both, although the Me-109 was better equiped with pilot armor, self sealing gasoline tanks, and firepower. With the Japanese aircraft, we loaded heavily with incendiaries since they were so vulnerable to fire.

Till Eulenspiegle de La Mancha

p.s. I used to have them play "Medowland " at the nghtclub in old China, Do they still play that in Russia?
"Ride Russians ride, ride across the medow land ---"

 

[TheDane]

Hola People: There are many sides of the "winter war". Most are not complimentary to Russia, but if Russia had not suffered such horrible losses compared to the Finns, who were outnumbered, out equiped, and not able to fight a long war, Stalin would not have been forced to reorganize the Military and replace the Political Commissars with reinstated competent, trained, former purged military officers, and would have quickly lost the war to the invading Germans a little later.

It has been shown that the poor performance of the Russian military against the Finns made a tremendous impression upon Hitler who then considered Russia a paper tiger, and so invaded. Under the circumstances he was correct, but ill informed. If he had succeeded in conquering Russia, or even a large part of her, He most probably would have won WW-2 having Russia's enormous resources in materiel, man power, and vast distances to draw upon, which would have allowed him to set up practically untouchable manufacturing bases.

The Finns were backed by Germany, Britain and US among others against the Russian invasion, and as a result Russia was expelled from the League of Nations. The excuse that Russia used to go to war against Finnland has been equated with Germany's excuse to attack Poland, a contrived one. Even at the time, no-one could believe that such a small country would deliberately attack her huge, much more powerful enemy when there was "no" reason to do so, or anything to be gained by it at the time.

Later Finnland was absorbed into the German ranks against her old enemy Russia, hence the Swastika emblem on the Brewster.

Side note Nahabit, the Japanese Zero was a better performing aircraft than the Me-109 according to many that had access to both, although the Me-109 was better equiped with pilot armor, self sealing gasoline tanks, and firepower. With the Japanese aircraft, we loaded heavily with incendiaries since they were so vulnerable to fire.

Till Eulenspiegle de La Mancha

p.s. I used to have them play "Medowland " at the nghtclub in old China, Do they still play that in Russia?
"Ride Russians ride, ride across the medow land ---"

Hello RealdeTayopa

Thanks for your wise and historically true analysis of the situation at that time.

With friendly regards
agersea

 

[nahabit]

You are absolutely right. But I do not understand that such ""Ride Russians ride, ride across the medow land ---" ?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

You are absolutely right. But I do not understand that such ""Ride Russians ride, ride across the medow land ---" ?

That is a song he remembers during the war. (meadow land)

 

[nahabit]

You are absolutely right. But I do not understand that such ""Ride Russians ride, ride across the medow land ---" ?

That is a song he remembers during the war. (meadow land)

I have understood that it is a song but I have not understood who her sang - and whether there is a Russian analogue?

 

[MSgtUSAF]

Sorry Judy

The USAF has retained control of all B52s, those no longer flying were sent here to DMAFB in Tucson, there are some static displays of older models (Guam, Dyess AFB, DMAFB just to name a few I know of). The boneyard here strips the aircraft for spare to maintain the fleet remaining, as you can guess a lot of parts are no longer made. Also SALT treaties limited the number of bomber we could maintain so many were destroyed in the 80s to be in compliance. My first assignment was in North Dakota, I spent more time than I care to remember walking the alert birds with an M-16 freezing my behind off, the young guys in the AF now cant believe how it used to be now its all electronically monitored and they just drive around in there vehicles withe the AC of heat on. So to end, the plane you flew on probably was ex USAF it was not a B52.

MSgt

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

[nahabit
[I have understood that it is a song but I have not understood who her sang - and whether there is a Russian analogue?
*******
A) Hi Nahabit, that is the English version/wording of the Russian song. How do you say Medow land in Russian?

Till Eulenspiegle de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

NAHABIT:

MEDOW LAND,

DA DA DI DA DA, DA DI DA DI DA DI DA DAA, DA DI DI DA DI DA DI DAAA-------

I do not know the Russian words for it. English as I remember it is

"ride Russians ride, ride across the medow land", -ride -------

Perhaps the older veterans will remember it.

Till Eulenspiegle de La Mancha

p.s. Obvioulsy Music was not my major sheehs.

 

[suncontra]

Meadowlands,,,

http://www.gca-net.com/SunrisersAudio/audio-1980s.html

Click on 1983

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

author=suncontra
Meadowlands,,,
http://www.gca-net.com/SunrisersAudio/audio-1980s.html
Click on 1983

A) Thank you Suncontra, it brings back many wonderful memories of Peking in Pre Mao China, the Old China with it's large colony of Russian refugies from the Revoloution. They all had a strong love for Mother Russia despite being expelled.

I used to go with a very pretty girl, "Tonia Brovchenko" sigh ummmimm um.. The best Ambassador for promoting good relations between Russia and the US. heheheh r . Unfortunately I couldn't smuggle her back to the US sigh.

Thanks again

Till Eulenspiegle de La Mancha