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Col used gun rates, not crime rates, why don't you post Americas rape rates, and it might have nothing to do with the UK about your gun rights but we are discussing it here in T.Net world.
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Record Gun Sales in Maryland as Tyrannical Law Looms
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Hate to burst your bubble but they are directly related,........
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i believe that this back and forth is evidence,that tryingto pass laws suited to one view is pointless,futile, unless someone was actively trying to create division, thus weaking america, this is a ancient tactic and a sucessful one,(divide and conquer)why else would they, knowing the response they will get?
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without our guns we Americans would still be a "part" of the British "commonwealth" of nations -- like Canada is
a American is a "citizen"-- and the govt answers to its "citizens" who are its master
a brit is a "subject" --so he answers to the govt , which is his master.
"subject" look the word up to find its meaning so "subject vs citizen"
a American is a "citizen"-- and the govt answers to its "citizens" who are its master
a brit is a "subject" --so he answers to the govt , which is his master.
"subject" look the word up to find its meaning so "subject vs citizen"
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Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
S.S when they take that away from me I'll align myself with this crowd.
That's if they will have me :-)
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Colonial....apparently you've never hunted wild pig. What is your definition of an "assault" rifle? No, I don't need a fully automatic weapon or one capable of burst firing to hunt. I don't own any either. But, I do have weapons capable of firing semi-automatic. By that description an old time six shooter would be considered semi-auto...........a round is fired every time the trigger is pulled. But, in the big picture none of this matters, I'll not comply to any new laws restricting my weapons or ammunition and I'll not report anything they don't already know about. When it boils down to the bottom line, the 2nd was also to protect the common citizen from tyranny. If you think tyranny cannot exist in our present government you have another think coming. If it ever comes time to actually fight against tyranny the more firepower you have, the better. They are slowly dumbing down the citizens of this country and with it, slowly getting any type of weapon they can get from us and controlling the amount of ammunition we can have. As I don't need our politicians telling me I need to turn in or report any of my guns, America does not need to sign arms treaties with other countries. All that does is "dumb us down" to where we have to report what we do to some imaginary controlling entity called the UN. The 2nd, in my book anyway, doesn't just give rights to individual citizens, it gives rights to our country, our sovereign state, as a WHOLE. Kerry, under direction of his king, has signed away our country's 2nd. We might as well have stayed British subjects and avoided the wars and the dying. Anyway, the way many of us gun owners feel about it is it is all part of a slow erosion of all of our rights and we won't put up with it. Others can comply and become puppets of these fools but I'll not take part in giving my country away.
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I wonder, would Hitler have respected an arms treaty?
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I've seen a very downward decline over 62 years in Morality and Principles,there was little gun violence years back,a murder was National Headlines,ever hear of the frog and pot of boiling water?It's been very gradual over time,not even noticed by the unaware,we have become a very Degragated Nation,who are you going to blame if we all are part of the problem? GodBless Chris
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Yea that lot look like a well educated bunch, the one on the far right looks like he has just finished kinder garden...crack on with it.Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
S.S when they take that away from me I'll align myself with this crowd.
That's if they will have me :-)
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From 1 January 1949, when the British Nationality Act 1948 came into force, every person who was a British subject by virtue of a connection with the United Kingdom or one of her Crown colonies (i.e. not the Dominions) became a Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies
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This page explains what a British subject is and what that status means.
In some circumstances, British subjects are able to register as British citizens.
The rules about British subject status changed in 1949 and again in 1983, so those dates are important when deciding if someone is a British subject.
Until 1949, nearly everyone with a close connection to the United Kingdom was called a British subject. And all citizens of Commonwealth countries were British subjects until January 1983. Since that date, very few categories of people have qualified as British subjects.
You became a British subject on 1 January 1983 if, up to that date, you were:
a British subject without citizenship, which means you were a British subject on 31 December 1948 who did not become a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, a citizen of a Commonwealth country, a citizen of Pakistan, or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland;
a person who had been a citizen of Eire and a British subject on 31 December 1948 and had made a claim to remain a British subject; or
a woman who had registered as a British subject on the basis of your marriage to a man who was in one of the two categories above.
If you are a citizen of the Republic of Ireland who was born before 1 January 1949 and you did not make a claim to remain a British subject, as above, you may do so in certain circumstances.
British subjects normally cannot pass on that status to their children if the children were born after 1 January 1983. But a child may be a British subject in certain circumstances.
A person who is stateless may be able to register as a British subject in certain circumstances.
Since 1 January 1983, a person who gains citizenship of any other country can no longer be a British subject. However, this does not apply to a citizen of the Republic of Ireland who has made a claim to remain a British subject as explained above.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/britishsubjects/
British subject or British citizen, neither has any say what so ever in our Rights under our Constitution including our Right to keep and bear arms and never will have...
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In some circumstances, British subjects are able to register as British citizens.
The rules about British subject status changed in 1949 and again in 1983, so those dates are important when deciding if someone is a British subject.
Until 1949, nearly everyone with a close connection to the United Kingdom was called a British subject. And all citizens of Commonwealth countries were British subjects until January 1983. Since that date, very few categories of people have qualified as British subjects.
You became a British subject on 1 January 1983 if, up to that date, you were:
a British subject without citizenship, which means you were a British subject on 31 December 1948 who did not become a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, a citizen of a Commonwealth country, a citizen of Pakistan, or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland;
a person who had been a citizen of Eire and a British subject on 31 December 1948 and had made a claim to remain a British subject; or
a woman who had registered as a British subject on the basis of your marriage to a man who was in one of the two categories above.
If you are a citizen of the Republic of Ireland who was born before 1 January 1949 and you did not make a claim to remain a British subject, as above, you may do so in certain circumstances.
British subjects normally cannot pass on that status to their children if the children were born after 1 January 1983. But a child may be a British subject in certain circumstances.
A person who is stateless may be able to register as a British subject in certain circumstances.
Since 1 January 1983, a person who gains citizenship of any other country can no longer be a British subject. However, this does not apply to a citizen of the Republic of Ireland who has made a claim to remain a British subject as explained above.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/britishsubjects/
British subject or British citizen, neither has any say what so ever in our Rights under our Constitution including our Right to keep and bear arms and never will have...
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British subject or British citizen, neither has any say what so ever in our Rights under our Constitution including our Right to keep and bear arms and never will have
Maybe....but I can state my views on this thread, and that's all I am doing.
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Maybe....but I can state my views on this thread, and that's all I am doing.
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Yes and I was only explaining why your views on our rights do not matter to us since they are OUR rights, not British rights....
Educated enough to know that our constitution and our bill of rights
came at a price. Funny you mention that one the right a few months back I treated
two young U.S. Marines to a day pass at my gym . They looked much younger then the guy
on the right, I don't even think these two young Marines where shaving yet.
But they are still Patriots.
As far as your crack comment please don't confuse the United States with Portugal.
Cheerio!!!
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As a FREE People what is the Problem my Brothers? GodBless Chris
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sooo, does this thread intimate that guns are still available to buy? Imagine that..
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Jeff, do you for one minute think that if we were to stop fighting for our right to keep and bear arms that the government will always allow us that right. You can't be that naive..
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