🥇 BANNER Rare "US" Indian War "H" buckle - ***More Pictures added 4/4***

[ModernMiner]

Rare

Today I headed back to the early 1800’s stone chimney property that I’ve been detecting at. I was only there about 5 minutes and got a somewhat iffy signal. After digging through some roots and pulling out a square nail and a Mason jar lid, there was still a signal. I reached my hand into the hole and worked the find around some roots. To my amazement I popped this relic out and saw the “US” on it! I thought it was a buckle of sorts but had no idea how old? I headed to the truck to get my video camera and shot this video. Still shocked, I e-mailed a few Tnet members from my Blackberry to see if they knew what it was. After waiting for a reply for about an hour, Ty finally responded back that it was an Anson Mill’s belt plate from the American Indian War era (Circa 1881-1894). Later I learned these buckles were used during the Spanish American War also. The buckle is brass and dated “Feb. 1, 1881” on the back. About two weeks ago I dug my first bullet from that era too (.45/70) at the same property. At first I was a bit disappointed that this wasn’t a CW era buckle, but then realized that I had never seen one of these “H” buckles posted on Tnet before. Have you My other finds were: *1919 Wheat penny *”Gilt” domed top button w/shank *Cosmetic compact *Rusty hook No snakes today, but I did pull FIVE ticks off of my clothing. Thanks for looking. MM

 

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[B|lker]

Nice find Dug.
HH and tick picking.
Bill

 

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[flintknapper too]

awesome find

 

[diggummup]

Not to dig up an old post but I just wanted to add some information on this rare Orndorff belt plate and ask a question.

According to page 134 of Douglas C. McChristians' "Uniforms, Arms and Equipment: The U.S.Army on the Western Frontier, 1880 1892, Volume II Weapons and Accouterments", The Army purchased a total of only 5202 of these plates in the fiscal year of 1887. To add to that, the first 1202 of them were made with a lighter gauged no. 18 brass. The last 4000 were made with a no. 12 brass.

I would be interested to know whether you have the uber rare version of this buckle made with the lighter gauged sheet brass. Thickness for the heavy gauge no.12 is .081" and the no.18 is .040" thick.
Do you have a set of calipers that you could measure this buckle with?
If so, could you take a measurement and fill us in?
Better late than never but... Nice Find!!

 

[ModernMiner]

Not to dig up an old post but I just wanted to add some information on this rare Orndorff belt plate and ask a question. According to page 134 of Douglas C. McChristians' "Uniforms, Arms and Equipment: The U.S.Army on the Western Frontier, 1880 1892, Volume II Weapons and Accouterments", The Army purchased a total of only 5202 of these plates in the fiscal year of 1887. To add to that, the first 1202 of them were made with a lighter gauged no. 18 brass. The last 4000 were made with a no. 12 brass. I would be interested to know whether you have the uber rare version of this buckle made with the lighter gauged sheet brass. Thickness for the heavy gauge no.12 is .081" and the no.18 is .040" thick. Do you have a set of calipers that you could measure this buckle with? If so, could you take a measurement and fill us in? Better late than never but... Nice Find!!

Diggummup, No problem digging up my old post. I love living the memory. I'm glad you posted that info as I had no idea how few were made. Even at 5200 total, that's not too shabby. I've never seen another one dug. Sorry, it took so long to get back to you, but I had the buckle encapsulated in a display that I made for it a few years back. I was able to measure it and it had varying thicknesses around the edge anywhere from .042" (main body) to a .058" (hooks on back) Here's a picture with the calipers, plus a few of my display. Do you think it is the rarer lighter 1 of 1200 version? Man, I hope so!!!! Let me know and THANKS AGAIN!!!! -Doug-

 

[Ifoundit69]

Now thats a nice find ! Awesome

 

[wheatfinder13]

Nice article in w&e treasure

 

[ModernMiner]

Nice article in w&e treasure

Thanks Buddy. Will be working on another one real soon.
-Doug-

 

[ModernMiner]

Now thats a nice find ! Awesome

Thank you. That was a great day. I had no idea what I had dug.
-MM-

 

[Breezie]

WOW D, it looks like you've got the thin rare one!!! Wooo Hooo! Breezie

 

[ModernMiner]

WOW D, it looks like you've got the thin rare one!!! Wooo Hooo! Breezie

I sure hope so Breezie. Definitely nowhere near the .080 version. I'll have to add this info to the back of the display with my other info and pictures.
I'm part Indian you know. I have no hair on my chest.
-DUHg-

 

[diggummup]

I actually found that information online while researching something else and at the same time your thread was also in the search results so I wanted to pass along the info. If you scroll down to the bottom of page 134 and the top of page 135, you can read what it says. I would think you have the earlier thin version too, based on those measurements. Uniforms, Arms, and Equipment: Weapons and accouterments - Douglas C. McChristian - Google Books

PS- They sell fake ones with these marks on ebay.

 

[park pirate]

Outstanding find...

 

[ModernMiner]

I actually found that information online while researching something else and at the same time your thread was also in the search results so I wanted to pass along the info. If you scroll down to the bottom of page 134 and the top of page 135, you can read what it says. I would think you have the earlier thin version too, based on those measurements. Uniforms, Arms, and Equipment: Weapons and accouterments - Douglas C. McChristian - Google Books PS- They sell fake ones with these marks on ebay.

Thanks again for that great info.
For some reason that link only goes up to page 111 for me.
-Doug-

 

[diggummup]

Thanks again for that great info. For some reason that link only goes up to page 111 for me. -Doug-

Try this, it should open to the correct page (134), at least it does for me. Uniforms, Arms, and Equipment: Weapons and accouterments - Douglas C. McChristian - Google Books

 

[southernbandit]

That is Freaking Awesome, and I have never seen one before.
Great Find!!!

 

[Old Dude]

I am glad this was bumped, MM. I subscribed to your YouTube channel. I hope I don't get a bill in the mail

 

[ModernMiner]

Try this, it should open to the correct page (134), at least it does for me. Uniforms, Arms, and Equipment: Weapons and accouterments - Douglas C. McChristian - Google Books

I just sent you a PM. It still won't go past page #111 for me.
I wonder if it works for anyone else?

1 of 1202 !!!! AWESOME!!!!

 

[ModernMiner]

That is Freaking Awesome, and I have never seen one before. Great Find!!!

Thanks SB. Me neither as you can tell in the video. LOL
-MM-

 

[ModernMiner]

I am glad this was bumped, MM. I subscribed to your YouTube channel. I hope I don't get a bill in the mail

Thanks Buddy. That "H" buckle is one of my favorite and rarest finds.
Thanks for subscribing to my YouTube channel. They may not be as professional as Quindy & Dman's, but at least you don't have to listen to those square dancing tunes in mine.
Have a great week!
-Doug-

 

[vhakra]

Very cool buckle that I've never heard about. Good find with some history!