QUESTIONABLE INFORMATION POSTED AS FACT CONCERNING THE BEALE TALE

ECS said:
If one studies the family bloodlines of James Beverly Ward and his wife Harriet Emmaline Otey, the source material for the Beale Papers go beyond happenstance and coincidence becoming deliberately apparent inspirations for the Beale story.

Ward's grandfather J B Risqué had a duel with Thomas Beale (not Thomas J Beale) over Risque's niece Julia Hancock.
Julia Hancock married William Clark, who along with Merriweather Lewis had a perilous adventure in the West.
Ward's father was a thespian, familiar with Shakespeare's "TWO MEN OF VERONA", a play about a duel, a girl name Julia, a missing letter, and the phrase, "the game is worth the candle".
Ward's cousin who printed the pamphlet, was a fellow thespian with Giles Ward.
Ward's wife, Harriet was born and raised 4 miles from Buford's and her aunt was Sarah Mitchell, Robert Morris's wife.
Giles Ward was co-owner of a bookstore in Lynchburg which sold Poe's works, including THE GOLD BUG.
Ward, along with his Kennerly and Hutter cousins had lived in St Louis, Mo.
Ward and his Hutter cousins served in the Confederacy and were well versed with codes and ciphers from the War.
Ward was also friends with Max Guggenheimer, who also served in the Confederate army.
An article appearing 4 years before the Beale Papers in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN relates a treasure of gold, silver, and jewels found in a Kentucky cave. Ward's cousin was sub-editor at that newspaper.
Ward's uncle, John Pickrell Risqué, lived in Santa Fe, and was killed while inspecting gold mine in Arizona by Apaches in 1882, three years before the pamphlet's publication.

A writer does write from what he knows and draws from those experiences, and in 1884, James Beverly Ward was in dire financial straights which would have been motivation to write and sell a localized dime novel to sell at the extravagant price for the time of 50 cents.
While there exists NO collaborating evidence outside of the Beale Papers that can confirm this perilous adventure treasure tale, there is a wealth of Ward family "source" material that can be confirmed that is well beyond being mere happenstance and coincidence.
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This above list shows definite influences that appear throughout the 1885 Beale Papers published by Ward that served as source material for the Beale treasure story, and clearly points to James Beverly Ward as the "unknown author".
 

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Nah, it was John Williams Sherman (Ward's cousin), who interviewed Maj. F.C. Hutter, who interviewed, Robert MORRIS(S), who revealed the GRAVE SECRET... a VAULT, lined with stones, 6' deep...
 

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Rebel - KGC said:
Nah, it was John Williams Sherman (Ward's cousin), who interviewed Maj. F.C. Hutter, who interviewed, Robert MORRIS(S), who revealed the GRAVE SECRET... a VAULT, lined with stones, 6' deep...
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...and this, without any outside verification in establishing this, is your questionable speculative opinion, and an example on how an "actual fact" that can be documented mutates into a possible could be maybe "fact" without real substance.

All that can be confirmed it that Robert Morris passed away at his niece, Anzoletta Saunders' home during the 2nd year of the Confederate War.
Beyond this basic fact, this is NO collaborating information from Anzoletta Saunders or her two sons who still lived at home during that time, that Robert Morris met with this "unknown author" , divulging the Beale story, AND showing him then giving possession of the iron box with the ciphers, or the alleged letters from Thomas J Beale, on which the entire story is based.
 

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SPECULATIVE...? No, PROOF for ME, based on MY Research & Investigation (boots on the ground) here in L'burg, Va. MORE than YOU will EVER have... off to CELTIC FEST, now. SYL!
 

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Congratulations. After 135 years your are the only one who has discovered this "PROOF" by boots in the ground research and investigation on Lynchburg.
So, do you deny the obvious "all in the family" connection references that appear throughout the Beale narrative story?
 

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Rebel - KGC said:
SPECULATIVE...? No, PROOF for ME, based on MY Research & Investigation (boots on the ground) here in L'burg, Va. MORE than YOU will EVER have... off to CELTIC FEST, now. SYL!
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A belated , have a good time!
Reads like fun.
Don't lose your kilt in the highland games!
 

"KILT"...? HA! THAT for SCOTS! I am IRISH! I DID fancy one Irish girl (dancer from BRIMS), tho… wife was NOT amused... heh. :laughing7:
 

ECS said:
Congratulations. After 135 years your are the only one who has discovered this "PROOF" by boots in the ground research and investigation on Lynchburg.
So, do you deny the obvious "all in the family" connection references that appear throughout the Beale narrative story?
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AYE! "ALL in the FAMILY", INDEED!
 

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Now that we agree on "all in the family", do we agree that many aspects of the BT story utilized events from Ward's extended Risqué family and wife's extended Otey/Buford family?
 

Rebel - KGC said:
HOWEVER; I go BEYOND the BT Story... & HAVE! STILL in the FAMILY, tho.
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So do we agree that the Beale story, just that, a story, a narrative of fiction drawn from that extended "all in the family"?
 

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Are you claiming to possess documentation or provable information that Thomas J Beale of the job pamphlet actually existed and was elected captain for that perilous adventure where gold and silver was discovered north of Santa Fe in Spanish territory?
 

ECS said:
Are you claiming to possess documentation or provable information that Thomas J Beale of the job pamphlet actually existed and was elected captain for that perilous adventure where gold and silver was discovered north of Santa Fe in Spanish territory?
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NOPE!
 

So, are we able to conclude that the Beale story as written in the job print pamphlet is a work of fiction?
After one removes all the questionable information based on possible could be maybe speculation and the total lack of even minimal collaboration outside of the pamphlets pages, what remains is only a localized dime novel adventure treasure story with the addition of play along parlor entertainment ciphers.
 

ECS said:
So, are we able to conclude that the Beale story as written in the job print pamphlet is a work of fiction?
After one removes all the questionable information based on possible could be maybe speculation and the total lack of even minimal collaboration outside of the pamphlets pages, what remains is only a localized dime novel adventure treasure story with the addition of play along parlor entertainment ciphers.
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"Minimal collaboration"... WHERE is YOUR "proof"...?
 

ECS said:
If one studies the family bloodlines of James Beverly Ward and his wife Harriet Emmaline Otey, the source material for the Beale Papers go beyond happenstance and coincidence becoming deliberately apparent inspirations for the Beale story.

Ward's grandfather J B Risqué had a duel with Thomas Beale (not Thomas J Beale) over Risque's niece Julia Hancock.
Julia Hancock married William Clark, who along with Merriweather Lewis had a perilous adventure in the West.
Ward's father was a thespian, familiar with Shakespeare's "TWO MEN OF VERONA", a play about a duel, a girl name Julia, a missing letter, and the phrase, "the game is worth the candle".
Ward's cousin who printed the pamphlet, was a fellow thespian with Giles Ward.
Ward's wife, Harriet was born and raised 4 miles from Buford's and her aunt was Sarah Mitchell, Robert Morris's wife.
Giles Ward was co-owner of a bookstore in Lynchburg which sold Poe's works, including THE GOLD BUG.
Ward, along with his Kennerly and Hutter cousins had lived in St Louis, Mo.
Ward and his Hutter cousins served in the Confederacy and were well versed with codes and ciphers from the War.
Ward was also friends with Max Guggenheimer, who also served in the Confederate army.
Ward's uncle, John Pickrell Risqué, lived in Santa Fe, and was killed while inspecting gold mine in Arizona by Apaches in 1882, three years before the pamphlet's publication.

A writer does write from what he knows and draws from those experiences, and in 1884, James Beverly Ward was in dire financial straights which would have been motivation to write and sell a localized dime novel to sell at the extravagant price for the time of 50 cents.
While there exists NO collaborating evidence outside of the Beale Papers that can confirm this perilous adventure treasure tale, there is a wealth of Ward family "source" material that can be confirmed that is well beyond being mere happenstance and coincidence.
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This for starters, Rebel-KGC, my friend.
Now yours...
 

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