QUESTIONABLE INFORMATION POSTED AS FACT CONCERNING THE BEALE TALE

[ECS]

It is possible that Ward claimed to be acting as "agent" for an alleged "unknown" author to avoid any possible libel suits that could arise from those who ignored the disclaimer, squandered their money in search of a fictional treasure or the descendants of those mention in the narrative text, as with Vincent Witcher who contacted Roland D Buford about the BEALE PAPERS, and asking him to talk to Ward about the validity of the contents of the Beale story, and the mention of his ancestors name in that story to promote belief that indeed the story was true ans a "treasure" actually was buried in Bedford county by a Thomas J Beale..
There is NO evidence that Adeline Ward McVeigh's husband had anything to do with the creation of the Beale story, nor is there any evidence that Julia H Ward's husband, William D, had anything to do with the Beale story beyond giving J B Ward the ADAMS & PAYNES letterhead which Ward used for his handwritten application for copyright.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

Naw, Button said that SHERMAN was the Unknown Author... I have the News-Advance article; Sunday, April 19, 2015.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Naw, Button said that SHERMAN was the Unknown Author... I have the News-Advance article; Sunday, April 19, 2015.

Name of article... "For Good and Bad, Civil War Editor was Man of HIS Times".

 

[franklin]

It is possible that Ward claimed to be acting as "agent" for an alleged "unknown" author to avoid any possible libel suits that could arise from those who ignored the disclaimer, squandered their money in search of a fictional treasure or the descendants of those mention in the narrative text, as with Vincent Witcher who contacted Roland D Buford about the BEALE PAPERS, and asking him to talk to Ward about the validity of the contents of the Beale story, and the mention of his ancestors name in that story to promote belief that indeed the story was true ans a "treasure" actually was buried in Bedford county by a Thomas J Beale..
There is NO evidence that Adeline Ward McVeigh's husband had anything to do with the creation of the Beale story, nor is there any evidence that Julia H Ward's husband, William D, had anything to do with the Beale story beyond giving J B Ward the ADAMS & PAYNES letterhead which Ward used for his handwritten application for copyright.

Neither is there any evidence of Vincent Witcher contacting Roland D. Buford? You have never posted this information. You keep quoting but like you accuse us, you have no evidence.

 

[ECS]

Franklin, this evidence has been posted several times in various Beale threads, you also posted a link confirming that, which also EVER mentioned his sisters.
Pascal Buford's children, Roland and his two sisters stated many times that they had NO knowledge of a Beale stay at Buford's, and the BEALE PAPERS was published for dale after Pascal and his wife had passed away, eliminating any conformation of a Beale stay.
Roland Dabney Buford did indeed talk to Ward on behalf of Witcher and himself, as his parents NEVER mentioned a Thomas J Beale or his alleged stay mentioned in the job print pamphlet.

 

[franklin]

Franklin, this evidence has been posted several times in various Beale threads, you also posted a link confirming that, which also EVER mentioned his sisters.
Pascal Buford's children, Roland and his two sisters stated many times that they had NO knowledge of a Beale stay at Buford's, and the BEALE PAPERS was published for dale after Pascal and his wife had passed away, eliminating any conformation of a Beale stay.
Roland Dabney Buford did indeed talk to Ward on behalf of Witcher and himself, as his parents NEVER mentioned a Thomas J Beale or his alleged stay mentioned in the job print pamphlet.

You post the same-o same-o but you never show the info. Sorry but I just do not believe anything you say anymore. It is all rehashing the same crap.

 

[ECS]

After correcting several of your posted as "fact" misinformation, I'm just as sorry that I just do not believe anything you say to be a dependable source of accurate information.
Just because you claim not to know of the Witcher/Buford exchange concerning the Beale story, does not mean it never happened.
One who constantly rehashes should not be so quick to judge another's postings.

 

[ECS]

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONABLE INFOTMATION POSTED AS FACT IN THE BEALE THREADS

The 1885 BEALE PAPERS job print pamphlet type were set by hand, NOT by typewriter.
The first typewriter type machine was produced in 1886 by the MERGENTHALER LINOTYPE CO.
The Virginia Print Shop did not possess a Mergenthaler.

Pauline Innis was NOT related to the Harts.
Born Pauline Bertha Lee-Jones, December 8, 1917, in Torquay, South Devon, England, she was an only child. While not related to the Harts, she was related to Agatha Christie.
As an only child, it was NOT her brother, but her cousin, the Right Rev Lawrence E Luscombe, Primus of the Episcopal Church of Scotland.

George Radar Brugh was NOT the proprietor of the Planters Hotel in St Louis during the alleged stay of Thomas J Beale, NOR was he murdered at the Blackhorse Tavern by Ebenezer Nelms while attempting to deliver Beale's "key" letter to Robert Morriss.
Evarist Maury was the Planters Hotel proprietor from 1822-1832.
Brugh's portrait hung in the lobby of the Planters Hotel up to the 1950's.
The Planters Hotel ceased being a hotel in 1922, when it was converted into offices and renamed THE COTTON BELT BUILDING.
*NOTE* The Planters Hotel as well as the "J" in Beale's name was first mentioned in THE HART PAPERS story.

 

[franklin]

The 1885 BEALE PAPERS job print pamphlet type were set by hand, NOT by typewriter.
The first typewriter type machine was produced in 1886 by the MERGENTHALER LINOTYPE CO.
The Virginia Print Shop did not possess a Mergenthaler.

Pauline Innis was NOT related to the Harts.
Born Pauline Bertha Lee-Jones, December 8, 1917, in Torquay, South Devon, England, she was an only child. While not related to the Harts, she was related to Agatha Christie.
As an only child, it was NOT her brother, but her cousin, the Right Rev Lawrence E Luscombe, Primus of the Episcopal Church of Scotland.

George Radar Brugh was NOT the proprietor of the Planters Hotel in St Louis during the alleged stay of Thomas J Beale, NOR was he murdered at the Blackhorse Tavern by Ebenezer Nelms while attempting to deliver Beale's "key" letter to Robert Morriss.
Evarist Maury was the Planters Hotel proprietor from 1822-1832.
Brugh's portrait hung in the lobby of the Planters Hotel up to the 1950's.
The Planters Hotel ceased being a hotel in 1922, when it was converted into offices and renamed THE COTTON BELT BUILDING.
*NOTE* The Planters Hotel as well as the "J" in Beale's name was first mentioned in THE HART PAPERS story.

Wrong again Sherlock.https://www.britannica.com/technology/typewriter It was called Remington.

 

[ECS]

Wrong again Sherlock.https://www.britannica.com/technology/typewriter It was called Remington.

The Remington typewriter, as all typewriters, was NOT a type setting machine, whereas the MERGANTHALER LINOTYPE was designed to set type exclusively for the printing industry, quite elementary Watson.
Now if you have actual proof that John William Sherman used an ordinary Remington typewriter to set the type of THE BEALE PAPERS at the Virginia Print Shop instead of setting the type by hand, please, as you say, "show the info".

*NOTE* A typewriter typed text goes from left to right , but a typesetting machine used in the printing process, the typed text goes from right to left AND the alphabet letters are reversed.
At the 1885 Virginia Print Shop, a typesetter set the pamphlet's type by hand, as other printshops, newspapers, and book manufactures of that time.
There was NO magical ordinary Remington typewriter that was able to type from right to left with the letters of the alphabet reversed in 1885.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

ECS: Please keep it up with actual facts!

 

[franklin]

The Remington typewriter, as all typewriters, was NOT a type setting machine, whereas the MERGANTHALER LINOTYPE was designed to set type exclusively for the printing industry, quite elementary Watson.
Now if you have actual proof that John William Sherman used an ordinary Remington typewriter to set the type of THE BEALE PAPERS at the Virginia Print Shop instead of setting the type by hand, please, as you say, "show the info".

*NOTE* A typewriter typed text goes from left to right , but a typesetting machine used in the printing process, the typed text goes from right to left AND the alphabet letters are reversed.
At the 1885 Virginia Print Shop, a typesetter set the pamphlet's type by hand, as other printshops, newspapers, and book manufactures of that time.
There was NO magical ordinary Remington typewriter that was able to type from right to left with the letters of the alphabet reversed in 1885.

First of all what difference does it make whether it was on a typewriter or on a printing machine. James Beverly Ward sent off for a copyright of his book in 1884 and was approved by the Library of Congress in 1885. James Beverly Ward was having the pamphlet printed in Lynchburg. Now there were highly efficient printing machines capable of printing 10's of thousands of letters per hour. The Job Print Pamphlet was printed and there are copies of it selling in thousands of dollars. Mrs. McVeigh has been offered $7000. for here copy but she refuses to sell it. So what is the big deal and the beef you always have to nit pick a thread to death. Strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. https://www.britannica.com/topic/printing-publishing/Koenigs-mechanical-press-early-19th-century

 

[Rebel - KGC]

First of all what difference does it make whether it was on a typewriter or on a printing machine. James Beverly Ward sent off for a copyright of his book in 1884 and was approved by the Library of Congress in 1885. James Beverly Ward was having the pamphlet printed in Lynchburg. Now there were highly efficient printing machines capable of printing 10's of thousands of letters per hour. The Job Print Pamphlet was printed and there are copies of it selling in thousands of dollars. Mrs. McVeigh has been offered $7000. for here copy but she refuses to sell it. So what is the big deal and the beef you always have to nit pick a thread to death. Strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. https://www.britannica.com/topic/printing-publishing/Koenigs-mechanical-press-early-19th-century

Heh...

 

[ECS]

First of all what difference does it make whether it was on a typewriter or on a printing machine...

If it doesn't matter, then why did you mention that on another thread?
Questionable information at best.
That really has no direct significance to the Beale story, just a footnote or sidebar, as with your mention of who began the PIGGLY WIGGLY grocery chain, which also has NO bearing on the Beale tale.
Now you added that Adeline McVeigh was offered $7000 for her copy of the job print pamphlet.
What difference does that make, since she passed away many years ago.
Just additional trivia that doesn't support the BEALE PAPERS perilous adventure treasure story as actually ever happening outside of the job print pamphlet's pages.

 

[franklin]

If it doesn't matter, then why did you mention that on another thread?
Questionable information at best.
That really has no direct significance to the Beale story, just a footnote or sidebar, as with your mention of who began the PIGGLY WIGGLY grocery chain, which also has NO bearing on the Beale tale.
Now you added that Adeline McVeigh was offered $7000 for her copy of the job print pamphlet.
What difference does that make, since she passed away many years ago.
Just additional trivia that doesn't support the BEALE PAPERS perilous adventure treasure story as actually ever happening outside of the job print pamphlet's pages.

There you go jumping to conclusions again. Where did I say Adeline McVeigh?
The lady I was talking about is still living at least the last time I heard from her.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Since the beales codes are all fiction anyway with folks thru the years attempting to make money from writing fiction code solves, etc. what difference does it truly make with typewriter vs. type set?

 

[ECS]

There you go jumping to conclusions again. Where did I say Adeline McVeigh?
The lady I was talking about is still living at least the last time I heard from her.

Adeline Virginia Ward McVeigh did have a copy of the Beale Papers in the 1930's which most likely went to her daughter, Lelia L Walker, then grandson, Gorham B Walker.
What other Mrs McVeigh would there be?

*NOTE* Adeline Virginia Ward McVeigh was interviewed by Martha Rivers Adams, along with her daughter and grandson for THE LYNCHBURG NEWS in the 1930's, in which Mrs McVeigh stated that her father, James Beverly Ward, was the author of THE BEALE PAPERS.
When Lt Thomas Fawcett interviewed Gorham B Walker in 1948 for his report to Col William Friedman, Walker admitted that he had his grandmother's (Mrs McVeigh) copy of the Beale Papers, and reiterated that his great grandfather was the author.

 

[ECS]

That was the point being made about "facts" that have been posted that have NO REAL relevance to the Beale tale, Singlestack Wonder.

 

[Phil]

Never heard of the Beale Code until now, and briefly read the history.

So, as I understand it...............A stranger arrives in town, spends some time there, becomes well liked by most, then leaves a box with a guy he barely knew. Later, he writes a cryptic letter with instructions to find a massive treasure left behind by him and his friends.

I seen something similar awhile back when I got an email from a wealthy Prince in Nigeria promising me millions if I send him some money.

Although I have to give Beale credit............His scam outlived him by 200 years.

 

[Eldo]

James Beverly Ward's wife Harriett Emmaline Otey was daughter of John Buford Otey and Angelina Brown Otey. She was born in Liberty or Bedford City today. She was not born four miles from Bufords. You are thinking of Paschal Buford's wife. She was the daughter of Isaac Otey and he did live within four miles of Buford's, actually about two miles.

How the name Otey rings a bell real fast when I read it so many times......possibly the term 4 miles north of "Bufords" could mean John Buford Otey's property....he may be the person that owned the land that they were "familiar" with as in family...and Ward publishing and marrying into their family lines would be something of a rare coincidence to overlook unless you knew the people back then. IMO Franklin this is a major key.

Do you know where John Buford Otey's property was located? Near Otey Rd maybe?



The Yardley Card to Roosevelt clearly showed these locations in detail, and provided Roosevelt another "adventure" for him to go on as his part in becoming famous on Oak Island

As the Beale holds two locations of deposits in VA, he was also keen enough I am sure to have these locations spotted in Bedford showing the same design as Bedford Basin, NS

Part of the reason he was there?



I think you know who came through and claimed the treasures of the Beale now and can see that they have been spinning tales for centuries about it all

Why would this treasure be so well known, but the history behind them so concealed? Because of the people that were involved in them and the nature of the money that was used being from illegal claims.