Platinum pieces

[Crispin]

Digging an old artifact site and coming up with a lot of old silver and platinum pieces. I figured I would post them all together and see if anybody had any ideas that could help connect the dots:

























Thanks for looking. All intelligent comments most appreciated.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Those are much better pics crispen. You can even see the braids in the string. I dont know how to date it. One picture looks like crimp marks; may be a clue. Something for size comparison would help to visualize the size of the rope/string.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

So they are not 1/2 reales?

The coins? According to the diameter they may be one reale coins. They are too big for 1/2 reales or US silver dimes. The only other possibility that I could think of is foreign coins or very deteriorated US quarters. I dont know maybe they are one reales. I wish just one piece had markings or we could find one piece that positively dated to the Spanish exploration era.

Now that I have heard the whole story, its an interesting mystery.

Backwoodsbob I dont see the faces you mention. Im not arguing. I just dont see them.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

If the silver fishing weights/silver necklace were crimped on reales, I would think we would see markings.

 

[Nitric]

Those are much better pics crispen. You can even see the braids in the string. I dont know how to date it. One picture looks like crimp marks; may be a clue. Something for size comparison would help to visualize the size of the rope/string.

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Needle nose pliers jaws? I first thought coin rim stretched, after looking at this pic? It looks like possible jaw marks maybe. maybe it is just the pic. but they look narrow at one end and get wider at the other. That's a thought anyhow! I keep going to what the marks are, and why on a string.

Has that melted look, like hot enough to melt, but not so hot to completely solidify type look. hot enough to be pliable? Interesting stuff for sure!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont know if these could be that old but I would research the type of fishermen from the 30's and what type of fishing nets they used. Im going to guess your area may have been an old fishing village. Its a very curious item. It may even be some kind of necklace but I dont know what purpose. If they are old reales, wouldnt it have been better just to drill holes into the coins? Its very common to find holes in Spanish Reales because people had no pockets. They tied them together with string. Maybe an old poor fisherman was doing something similar. Im out of guesses.

 

[Backwoodsbob]

Needle nose pliers jaws? I first thought coin rim stretched, after looking at this pic? It looks like possible jaw marks maybe. maybe it is just the pic. but they look narrow at one end and get wider at the other. That's a thought anyhow! I keep going to what the marks are, and why on a string.

Has that melted look, like hot enough to melt, but not so hot to completely solidify type look. hot enough to be pliable? Interesting stuff for sure!

Turn the bottom picture to the left side. What that is supposed to be is the witch . In the upper left side of her hat you can see the raven. Her face is of the boar i believe. You should be able to see what I'm saying.

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[Backwoodsbob]

Someone may have found them long ago. Anything's possible

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[Backwoodsbob]

As far as not see the face on the other has to do with the angle.

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[Nitric]

Turn the bottom picture to the left side. What that is supposed to be is the witch . In the upper left side of her hat you can see the raven. Her face is of the boar i believe. You should be able to see what I'm saying.

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So, it's probably not modern at all then? Or was it something old made into something modern. I don't see the witch, so I will take your word on that. I guess they could be anything. I know one thing! I have know idea what they are. And they are very interesting!

 

[Crispin]

Needle nose pliers jaws? I first thought coin rim stretched, after looking at this pic? It looks like possible jaw marks maybe. maybe it is just the pic. but they look narrow at one end and get wider at the other. That's a thought anyhow! I keep going to what the marks are, and why on a string.

Has that melted look, like hot enough to melt, but not so hot to completely solidify type look. hot enough to be pliable? Interesting stuff for sure![/QUOTE

I think they were melted on hot as well. You can see where the metal conformed around the nylon. No way it could do that unless heated up and soft.

 

[Crispin]

Bottom left object for impression nylon made on the silver.

Same object, top left in this picture...

 

[Nitric]

Needle nose pliers jaws? I first thought coin rim stretched, after looking at this pic? It looks like possible jaw marks maybe. maybe it is just the pic. but they look narrow at one end and get wider at the other. That's a thought anyhow! I keep going to what the marks are, and why on a string.

Has that melted look, like hot enough to melt, but not so hot to completely solidify type look. hot enough to be pliable? Interesting stuff for sure![/QUOTE

I think they were melted on hot as well. You can see where the metal conformed around the nylon. No way it could do that unless heated up and soft.

Not uniform at all! If too hot would have melted the nylon. We use to use a stuff to solder anodes to gas/oil pipe. I thought at one point maybe something like that, or underwater type stuff. On a string so you wouldn't lose or drop your solder(witch could be silver!) even. Just trying to think in all directions! and of possibilities! Looking at that pic it does not look like pliar marks on the one. It looks like the ridges were stretched. None of it makes sense!lol

 

[Crispin]

Turn the bottom picture to the left side. What that is supposed to be is the witch . In the upper left side of her hat you can see the raven. Her face is of the boar i believe. You should be able to see what I'm saying.

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I see the raven! That is incredible. What else do you see on them?



Found the hat and face as well...

 

[Nitric]

I do see the raven now that you have outlined it! I'm starting to see now! I needed an outline to see the pics!

The face scares me though! That's a scary face! Big nose! Teeth! I don't like it!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think they were melted on hot as well. You can see where the metal conformed around the nylon. No way it could do that unless heated up and soft.

I dont think its possible for hot metal to conform around nylon because I would think if the silver was hot enough to melt which is 1763 degrees Fahrenheit, the nylon would melt/burn. The metal is not round and shows no visible markings of ever being a coin. The metal must have been soft to begin with and it was bent, crimped and/or hammered onto the string. Just my opinion. Have you tried to bend the metal? My Spanish reals are not easily bent. My friend actually kept my silver love token/coffin tag on his keychain, was very rough with it and it didnt bend or break.

But low grade silver will bend. Silver mixed with pewter or lead would be soft. I found a beautiful old crucifix at a flea market that I thought was solid silver. I bent it into a U shape and back again. It was black when I found it and I polished it with silver polish and it looked gorgeous! Just like silver! I was upset when I put a drop of acid on it and it didnt turn red because it was a lead/pewter/silver alloy. . Pewter is 99% Tin. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/75571-crucifix-found-thanks-id-solved.html http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/412412-looking-more-information-cross-friend-showed-me.html

If you scratch it, it was shiny, If I polished it, it looked like good silver, and it was soft, it was heavy, and it turned black when old. Could it be possible that you have a low grade silver alloy like my crucifix?

 

[Backwoodsbob]

Now look for the face on the right side top. Thw numbers 515

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[Nitric]

Now look for the face on the right side top. Thw numbers 515

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what does 515 stand for?

i'm so confused right now! I do see the image though! I haven't found the 515 or the other face yet.

 

[Crispin]

Now look for the face on the right side top. Thw numbers 515

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I got the first 5 and 1, the last digit kind of looks like an M. I'm sure I am looking at it wrong.

Found the face, side profile...

 

[Crispin]

what does 515 stand for?

i'm so confused right now! I do see the image though! I haven't found the 515 or the other face yet.

What does the 515 stand for? Do you see images on any of three others?

 

[Crispin]

what does 515 stand for?

i'm so confused right now! I do see the image though! I haven't found the 515 or the other face yet.

Don't look at the image...look through it. Then things start to stand out.