Platinum pieces

[Crispin]

Digging an old artifact site and coming up with a lot of old silver and platinum pieces. I figured I would post them all together and see if anybody had any ideas that could help connect the dots:

























Thanks for looking. All intelligent comments most appreciated.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Most of them are 19mm, a couple are really worn down in the 18.5mm range, and then one is 20mm.

According to Wiki a US dime is 17.91 mm diameter, so it would appear they are not US dimes.
According to the link I posted, One REAL is DIAMETER: 20.3 mm - 21.6 mm

"Lots of Acid"? Without knowing the color of the latest test results, maybe they ARE Platinum? I guess thats what you are trying to say.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

I think everything has been found in the same general area but its confusing to me to which ones tested silver and which ones test platinum. I know the turtle tested silver. Those crimped on fishing net pieces got to be lead. And wouldnt the string rot away if it was 400 years old? Platinum however would explain the lack of corrosion.

Nothing is lead. Everything has been tested with a soldering iron. If it was lead it would have melted. I melted a lead weight just to make sure.

 

[Crispin]

The coins are silver. The turtle is silver. The metal blob with questionable cross is also silver. I only have two pieces of platinum. One is labeled with the coins. The other is a really bad blur. The four crimped on pieces are silver. No doubt about it. ARC1 helped me identify the string as nylon. He came up with the theory that they are 1/2 reales that were crimped on decades ago from somebody who found them washed up on the beach. That is what I am going with right now. I was working this site alone for a while. GIB and I are the only ones who have ever hunted it. I am the expert on metal identification and he is the expert on Spanish/Indian stuff. We have been looking for a piece to identify the site but can't find it. He has a beautiful piece of platinum with the exact same pattern as the two I have. He also has a yet to be identified 4.3 ounce silver blob. I believe it is the base of a statue. We went hunting today. I think I found mostly modern stuff but I need to clean it up. Will do so later.

Gold can definitely oxidize if it is not pure. There are other metals mixed in that do it. Any metal can oxidize given enough pressure and the right environment. Obviously, pure gold would take something exceptional to do it. Platinum oxidizes in salt water as well. It just takes a long time to do it.

 

[Nitric]

I blew up the pics of the chunks with the cord through them, to look at them more. Do they all have a close weight? These really make me curious! Was it a necklace, or maybe a cord that a piece was cut off when needed. Or someones way to maybe smuggle or hide it. Or just some guy that found metal and folded it over a net to catch fish. Or who knows. I have heard way way back in time It was not uncommon to wear all your gold or silver. Or people wore all their gold and silver coming to this country. I can't remember details I'll have to try to look that up again.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Yes I concede that 12K-14K could turn black. But I am told it polishes off easily. Spanish gold was around 23K.


I have no idea about Platinum and I shouldnt have commented about the corrosion properties of Platinum. I thought maybe that would explain the lack of corrosion.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I blew up the pics of the chunks with the cord through them, to look at them more. Do they all have a close weight? These really make me curious! Was it a necklace, or maybe a cord that a piece was cut off when needed. Or someones way to maybe smuggle or hide it. Or just some guy that found metal and folded it over a net to catch fish. Or who knows. I have heard way way back in time It was not uncommon to wear all your gold or silver. Or people wore all their gold and silver coming to this country. I can't remember details I'll have to try to look that up again.

ARC1 helped me identify the string as nylon.

I missed all these old threads too.

 

[G.I.B.]

Nylon was invented in 1935.

 

[Nitric]

Nylon was invented in 1935.

Was it proven to be nylon? I'm not doubting anyone, Just kind of interesting! And how or why silver is folded over! What was the purpose? I do think I see a square tool mark in one.

 

[G.I.B.]

Nylon will melt with a flame.

If I recall, Crispin fire tested the cordage.

But, my recaller may be low on batteries.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Its very interesting that someone would smash silver pieces on to a string in the mid-20th century. I dont know how long nylon will last in saltwater. We use nylon ropes to fasten tree stands in the Everglades. They will deteriorate from the strong sun and wet environment in just a few years. Any saltwater fishermen here? Some places on the Southwest coast of Florida were very wild and remote on 1935.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Nylon will melt with a flame.

If I recall, Crispin fire tested the cordage.

But, my recaller may be low on batteries.

Yes I agree, nylon will melt. I always melt my rope ends.

 

[Crispin]

Nylon will melt with a flame.

If I recall, Crispin fire tested the cordage.

But, my recaller may be low on batteries.

Yeah, I fire tested the nylon.

They weigh: 2.47g, 2.39g, 2.36g, and 1.67g. Other then the light one those are pretty close together.

 

[Backwoodsbob]

Ok,I said I would keep my mouth shut. I know some of those are Jesuit related. Maybe its a stash. They were rounded up in 1767. They could have ditched the stuff to later recover. The turtle and a few others I know are. One has the shape often used. Here is a close look at what one of yours looks like.

clean them yes just be careful not to ruin the work on them.. Salt can be a preservative. That could count for the string being there.

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[Crispin]

Ok,I said I would keep my mouth shut. I know some of those are Jesuit related. Maybe its a stash. They were rounded up in 1767. They could have ditched the stuff to later recover. The turtle and a few others I know are. One has the shape often used. Here is a close look at what one of yours looks like.

clean them yes just be careful not to ruin the work on them.. Salt can be a preservative. That could count for the string being there.

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So they are not 1/2 reales?

 

[Backwoodsbob]

The left side of the stone is the profile of a Spanish soldier. Then there is a miner working in the middle. It take years to understand the work of a Jesuit. Lighting it's all about the lighting. And of course symbolism. There is more on it. But I think you have an idea of what trying to say.

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[Backwoodsbob]

I can't say that. They would use anything that looks like something else. They put their own spin on it.

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[Nitric]

The left side of the stone is the profile of a Spanish soldier. Then there is a miner working in the middle. It take years to understand the work of a Jesuit. Lighting it's all about the lighting. And of course symbolism. There is more on it. But I think you have an idea of what trying to say.

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You never know what you can find! There are so many objects buried or lost in the ground that tells a story of a past time. Reading the clues and details could make all the difference! Cool find!

 

[Crispin]

 

[Nitric]

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Tooo strange! The metal looks crude, the string looks newer. Do you have a thief in the area stashing his loot! Or maybe in the past. Very odd! What was the reason? That's what gets me! To hide and retrieve later? As a tool, decoration(not very decorative!) what?

 

[Nitric]

This is a wayyyyy out there guess! The end of the cord has a loop. Was there, or is there a ritual,religious, cult, whatever reason, for taking an object or objects and hanging them on a cord! Whether on your neck,boat, home, in a tree?