Pioneer scribble or something ELSE? (pics of find updated)

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

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[Old Dog]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Wow Mike,
That was at least encouraging. LOL

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Since I obviously have time at the office to fool around on the computer, I will just make a nuisance of myself on this forum.

You posted a hippo of much larger proportions somewhere else. Earlier I posted a cutout of the spring symbol and called it 'Treasure Here'. Well, as the case turns out, Treasure Here is W/O the dot. The dot is used to represent 1, water, or spring. In this case, the dot is 'covered', meaning that the spring is covered or filled in. Look for a dark island of green, unusually large numbers of trees clumped together, a couple of lone trees that are larger than the surrounding others, patches of greener grass or other such desert oddities.

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Interesting.
Bell = 31. On the panel is a connected M and R ... also 31.

As far as the springs in the area, yes. The area NW of the panel is a spring and is obvious used to be a big one. In the middle of the desert and thick with reeds and a few old trees. I'm HOPING this was not the area of concealment because there is a quite large (4' x 5' opening) hole dug down to the water (kind of like a well) to a depth of approx 20 feet. The hole is lined with a fairly crude concrete and topped with an iron grate. I'm guessing it's no more than 50 years old but doesn't llok like it's been used for anything very recently.

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Interesting.
Bell = 31. On the panel is a connected M and R ... also 31.

As far as the springs in the area, yes. The area NW of the panel is a spring and is obvious used to be a big one. In the middle of the desert and thick with reeds and a few old trees. I'm HOPING this was not the area of concealment because there is a quite large (4' x 5' opening) hole dug down to the water (kind of like a well) to a depth of approx 20 feet. The hole is lined with a fairly crude concrete and topped with an iron grate. I'm guessing it's no more than 50 years old but doesn't llok like it's been used for anything very recently.

I'm curious. How far is the well from the image above and to which direction? I would look for a slab, near the lid, big enough to have covered the hole. If you find any original coverings then the previous visitor deciphered the signs correctly and found the water supply. If not, then they were digging where they THOUGHT they should. I think if you just found the water source for any operations in the area.

Look at the eagle in the picture. I think that is the direction that will give you the signs you need.

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

From the picture, the 'well' is approximately behind me as a shot the pic (probably about 250 yards).

Next time I'm out there I'll take a pic and post. My opinion is this 'well' has nothing to do with searching for treasure. By the way there are diggings that I believe are DEFINITELY a result of someone looking for the treasure. Having said that I cannot, for the life of me, figure how they came to the spot they did. The diggings are dug more trench style (about 50' long) and are only about 5' deep. Only reason I can tell they chose this spot is it's the spot you see when looking through the hoyo inside the indian profile / monument. Do not think it's the right place. Sorry for the rambling ..

 

[hadji009]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

hippos only come out of the water to eat,maybe clue is in the water.or look for sign at dusk.

 

[BABACAN]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

I got into the apartment to check on the floor space at the end of the tunnel and required room Semin has six get all one's heart.

Respects

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Welcome to TNET my friend. The confirmation triangle you circled, in yellow, has been covered. Feel free to read the rest of the post, if you haven't already, and offer up any interpretations you find. Mannings has a lot to keep him busy so........

Patrick,
You make any sense of the cryptic message I wrote a couple of posts back?

Mike

Now it's of to Galveston for some fishing!

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Mike,

I thought your 'confusing' post was maybe an altar ego ("Jim Beam" perhaps).
Like I really needed another puzzle to solve! LOL

Anyways, here's some real quick thoughts after reading it again.
- KGC site
- Parts of the panel are to be reversed and there are out of place letter/s set as clues.
- NW 'from' the double-r
- Not sure the signifcance of both east and northwest
- The year is separated by the comma for purposes to assist in the final degree and distance

Whew, am I way off from what the author intended?

M

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Mike,

I thought your 'confusing' post was maybe an altar ego ("Jim Beam" perhaps).
Like I really needed another puzzle to solve! LOL

Anyways, here's some real quick thoughts after reading it again.
- KGC site
- Parts of the panel are to be reversed and there are out of place letter/s set as clues.
- NW 'from' the double-r
- Not sure the signifcance of both east and northwest
- The year is separated by the comma for purposes to assist in the final degree and distance

Whew, am I way off from what the author intended?

M

86
43 43
21 22 22 21
7 3 11 2 2B 11K 7G 3C

It is exactly 311 degrees from the new point you found on the double R to the NW triangle. The bottom or left most dot in a Spanish triangle is always #1...according to the books.

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Hang on again, I'll repost soon ... I just may have proven my stupidity beyond any doubt ..

EDIT: Okay re-posted here below.

Mike (and others),

My sincere apologies (really). Somehow I screwed up North by 30*. True North is represented by the line one down (rather than one up) from the 'lone dot.' Obviously I know this creates a back-to-the-drawing-board ... so, again, my apologies.

Having said that, and for reference, this now places one triangle at exactly 45* and the other at 270* (total of 315* ).

Now I'm really confused and probably going to have a few beers (so I can get real dumb) and THEN look at it.

 

[Shortstack]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Mike (and others),

My sincere apologies (really). Somehow I screwed up North by 30*. True North is represented by the line one down (rather than one up) from the 'lone dot.' Obviously I know this creates a back-to-the-drawing-board ... so, again, my apologies.

Having said that, and for reference, this now places one triangle at exactly 45* and the other at 270* (total of 315* ).

Now I'm really confused and probably going to have a few beers (so I can get real dumb) and THEN look at it.

Since the Spanish often placed codes to indicate the "reverse" of what their maps show should be used (such as the backward "7"); could the reciprocal of those values be the primary headings?

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Hang on again, I'll repost soon ... I just may have proven my stupidity beyond any doubt ..

EDIT: Okay re-posted here below.

Mike (and others),

My sincere apologies (really). Somehow I screwed up North by 30*. True North is represented by the line one down (rather than one up) from the 'lone dot.' Obviously I know this creates a back-to-the-drawing-board ... so, again, my apologies.

Having said that, and for reference, this now places one triangle at exactly 45* and the other at 270* (total of 315* ).

Now I'm really confused and probably going to have a few beers (so I can get real dumb) and THEN look at it.

This means war.
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I'm not so sure you need everything re-done, just yet.......unless you are positive you know where a discrepancy is. There is one thing to verify before wiping the slate.

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Hang on again, I'll repost soon ... I just may have proven my stupidity beyond any doubt ..

EDIT: Okay re-posted here below.

Mike (and others),

My sincere apologies (really). Somehow I screwed up North by 30*. True North is represented by the line one down (rather than one up) from the 'lone dot.' Obviously I know this creates a back-to-the-drawing-board ... so, again, my apologies.

Having said that, and for reference, this now places one triangle at exactly 45* and the other at 270* (total of 315* ).

Now I'm really confused and probably going to have a few beers (so I can get real dumb) and THEN look at it.

This means war.
==============================
I'm not so sure you need everything re-done, just yet.......unless you are positive you know where a discrepancy is. There is one thing to verify before wiping the slate.

The one thing being that I am both sorry and stupid? I am SURE, SURE, SURE I was wrong about north ... now I'll take my beatings.

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Nevermind.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Can I be a second?

Dopn Jose de La Mancha

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

I don't think north is so much a big deal. Factoring KGC and 311*, from 86, is NO COINCIDENCE. Seeing that 311* is fixed at the #1 dot, of the NW triangle, means that the slash was set where it is with no regard to north, so that there will ALWAYS be a reference to 311*.

The declination for your area, since 1884, is 3*10'. You can check that at the NOAA. A measurement needs to be taken of the distance from the double R to the dot that is bisected by the 311* line. Then it needs to be walked out. If that turns up nothing then something else can be worked on. I can't believe that nothing will turn up. So much points to that direction. I can't see anyone modding an existing sign unless it's location was known.

IMO.

 

[Curtis]

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Hi all,

Didn’t have time to read all the posts so excuse me if I mention what someone else did…I was wondering if the big drill hole is represented as one of the small holes in the cluster of three? If so you might measure the distance from the map to the drilled hole draw a circle that distance and walk it, if you find the other two drill holes you might be on to something for triangulation. Put surveyor stakes (1/2 X 2 x 3 feet) in the holes with surveyors ribbon on them for visibility. Stand back and look at the three, try to find the center, either buy line of sight or pulling strings form each hole location (attached to stakes) make sure the lines are the same distance then when you are dead center…dig. Another method would be to use a topo and import it into a CAD program... over the top of the map and the drill hole locations, connect the lines from the hioles using the line comand then see where they cross and dig.

Curtis

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Mike,

I thought your 'confusing' post was maybe an altar ego ("Jim Beam" perhaps).
Like I really needed another puzzle to solve! LOL

Anyways, here's some real quick thoughts after reading it again.
- KGC site
- Parts of the panel are to be reversed and there are out of place letter/s set as clues.
- NW 'from' the double-r
- Not sure the signifcance of both east and northwest
- The year is separated by the comma for purposes to assist in the final degree and distance

Whew, am I way off from what the author intended?

M

86
43 43
21 22 22 21
7 3 11 2 2B 11K 7G 3C

It is exactly 311 degrees from the new point you found on the double R to the NW triangle. The bottom or left most dot in a Spanish triangle is always #1...according to the books.

I mentioned earlier that I thought there was a possibility that N was irrelevant for the orientation of the compass. How's this? Take the double R and break it down. Double.....means replicate. The backward r is 81, the forward r is 18, giving us 8+1+1+8= 18. 18* points directly to your stand-alone dot. By aligning to the slash in the E circle to N, 18* lines up to the lone dot and verifies the breakdown of the 86, as 311* and the KGC signature, as authentic.