Pioneer scribble or something ELSE? (pics of find updated)

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Just a big smiley face is enough for the forum.
Jees, no need to broadcast it to the world.

LOL......That's what I meant. A TNET shirt, a Capt. Morgan pose, and a smiley face pasted over his.

 

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[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

How 'bout a compromise. A TNet shirt and I buy a round of Captain Morgan's while the "negative Nancies" do the "posing."

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

How 'bout a compromise. A TNet shirt and I buy a round of Captain Morgan's while the "negative Nancies" do the "posing."

SOLD!!

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

How 'bout a compromise. A TNet shirt and I buy a round of Captain Morgan's while the "negative Nancies" do the "posing."

SOLD!!

what he said.

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

It has been brought to my attention that post #30 implies a 'left is north' heading. According to my undertanding at the time, that was correct. Since North is in fact to the right in the picture, I have corrected the overlay. Also, I couldn't get my layer to rotate properly. Now it is correct. After learning that North is right, I did not realize the post was in err. The red line indicates, per mannings, a due North heading. That was the base line I used to rotate the compass.

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Thanks Mike!

Here's a pic of the area due North.

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Is that the compass rock you wrote about in post #59? Also, is the rock pile also facing north or are you standing east or west of it to get the shot? You are killing me. What gives with the square shape on the rock behind the larger upper dog? You didn't post a backpack smiley so I am gueesing you didn't solve the last sign 'garden'.

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Mike,

The compass rock is just to the right of the above pic and is more precisely North (though minimally). I was standing on the panel when I took the above pic. Another thing perhaps worthy of note is the dead tree in the above pic (in middle of pic) stands at a MAJOR spring. The trees you see just beyond the rock outcroppings is the year-round stream.

Not sure about the square rock, though this grouping of rocks is where I found (and posted a pic of) the - maybe - drill hole.

Haven't figured it out yet! ('Something' in my gut tells me there's a possibility that the small sign off the panel and alone may be a 'key' to cracking the panel code. No reason, just seems to have always drawn my attention that way.)

Mannings

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Mike,

The compass rock is just to the right of the above pic and is more precisely North (though minimally). I was standing on the panel when I took the above pic. Another thing perhaps worthy of note is the dead tree in the above pic (in middle of pic) stands at a MAJOR spring. The trees you see just beyond the rock outcroppings is the year-round stream.

Not sure about the square rock, though this grouping of rocks is where I found (and posted a pic of) the - maybe - drill hole.

Haven't figured it out yet! ('Something' in my gut tells me there's a possibility that the small sign off the panel and alone may be a 'key' to cracking the panel code. No reason, just seems to have always drawn my attention that way.)

Mannings

I see at least ten things that make me take a deep look. Maybe that quantity is to cause confusion. Remember in a previous post I wrote about the cute little squirrel. Squirrels bury. Here I see a rabbit. Rabbits multiply. Closeups of each questionable item can help to rule out certain ideas.

Three dots with a creek above it. I see three 'V's that make a crude triangle and a weak rock circle in the middle. Maybe I am loco.

Look at the orientation of the upper sign I marked up in red in the first picture.

The large center V points RIGHT to the middle of the rock 1/2 circle. The two smaller Vs point away. I think those three Vs represent the sign in the first picture. Remember, in a previous post I stated that the upper dots and creek, since they were not modded like the bottom set, meant that the panel maker knew where they were but had NOT disturbed anything. Also, the order of signs on the panel is compass mark, triangle, then creek. Just the way it is on the actual terrain.

S I N = Down is Up. By following the red line heading North, you seem to have found the signs from the top of the panel. I think the poodle face and the face on the panel are related. Hmmmm.

GL...

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Mike,

You always give me so much to think about!

Incidentally, today I walked due North from the panel and took GPS coordinates between the panel and another (seemingly older, first indian with Spanish overlay) nearby panel. Came home, plotted, and to my surprise the distance between the two panels was 1,882 feet. Kinda close to "1886." VERY hard to distinguish between intention and coincidence as well as sanity and insanity.

Pic of other panel. (This also has a couple symbols 'off' to the lower right of a 'grid' and what appears to be a mine or gold symbol with 'rays')

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Back out again today. Found the in the pic below. I spent most of my life hunting indian artifacts and this looks like a metate of sorts to me. However, there is NO flint and NO pottery anywhere in the vicinity. Possible drill hole? By the wat this was found just below (maybe 60 ft away) panel #2 (seen in post above this one).

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

I think the following picture has something to say.

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Hmmmmm, hadn't noticed that. I should be going back tomorrow and I'll have a closer look.

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Hmmmmm, hadn't noticed that. I should be going back tomorrow and I'll have a closer look.

GL. You still have another set rocks to be followed. You are going to be busy Multiple bird signs+ sign for covered spring + dream catcher + NY with a curv-ed tail............I wish I was that busy

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Back at it.

Anyone interested in this story may want to read slowly and pay close attention here ...

I believe the center point we've been using for the windrose is slightly off. I noticed the semi-circular'ish marking is newer than that of the original map-making. I believe the correct spot is the right lobe of the double-r (the map maker created a very pronounced ground dot there). Also, I noticed a previously ignored 'lone' dot on the map.

I used the windrose with the new centerpoint and was surprised at what I saw when also using the new 'lone dot.'

The pics below show perfect alignments of 18 degrees and 86 degrees ... if more explanation is needed, just ask.

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Here is what I found for 18 degrees and 86 degrees.

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

Mike,

I admit I may be reaching and/or "creating" these things only in my mind, but allow me to explain my 18/86 theory.

I was simply taking the windrose to hone in on the 18 and the 86 without regard to "North" or any other direction for that matter. Thinking outside the box (since no one has a sure-fire way to crack these things ... at least that they share ..) I wanted to consider that finding the angles that matched 18 and 86 MAY have "N" point direction or any other number of possibilities.

I simply placed the windrose and spun to see common panel 'landmarks' that matched up to those coordinates. What I outlined, do. Judging by the map, the terrain, and some other factors, I believe it's likely that the 'lone dot' is a key piece.

Mannings

 

[Blind.In.Texas]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

GL, Patrick... BIT out.

 

[mannings]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

I used the original centerpoint of Mike's windrose and marked locations every 15* and found some interesting things;

- The degree change from the upper 3 dots pointing to the poodle is 60* (and runs through the dot between 18 and 86)
- The degree change from the lone dot to the lower 3 dots is exactly 60*

-------- also --------

- The degree change from North to the lower 3 dots is 75*
- The degree change from North to the upper 3 dots is 300*
- The degree change from the upper right 3 dots to the 'lone dot' is 75*

- The degree change from North to the lone dot is 15*

 

[okey dokey]

Re: Pioneer scribble or something ELSE?

BIT,
Thanks for your help. Let's not forget, according to Lou's book, that three dots in a triangle shape can stand for the number 9.

Okey dokey