OLD BENTWOOD BOXS MARK THE LOST SPANISH MOUND

[Copperhead]

Re: OLD BENTWOOD BOX'S AND DEM BOARDS

help is muchly apreciated the green thing is a georgian period military badge, it came from badgeguy island its badly damaged but it has king george written on it. its back in the earth now. lost in time. what is "wash the paper"
I have access to the cd national graphic site, if you had a date i could do some research.
i will eventualy find some money and just date the boards, .
the coins have dates, 1600's and 1400's buttons from 1700's and old boxes, maybe the pirates found the viking stash and the spanish stash .
As you guys can see in the regs, any thing i have that dates befor 1849, is protected under canadain law, if metal detecting you find a 1700's artifact, its left till the gov comes to id it. they never do.If you take it to them you are braking the law, if you sell it you brake the law .
as for all dem british boards, no mater where they came from, are handed to native bands for reburial.

I see your dilemma now...doesn't seem like your options are very good..
while I would in no way suggest that you break any laws....I would estimate all your finds date to the mid 1900's...

 

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"I would estimate all your finds date to the mid 1900's... "
GOOD ONE, I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THE BEST WAY TO DATE SOMETHING IS FIND A COIN.

as you can see the first coin is 1914,


the next coins are the 'Kan Ei Tsu Hō' (寛永通寶) cash coins, under 'kan ei' era of Edo. Kan Ei era spanned from 1624-1643,

the final coin is a 'Yung Lo Tong Bao' cash coin from China's Ming dynasty.1408
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/roberts/coins/Ryuukyuucoins.html
clearly this stuf dates from between the 1900's to the 1400's.
so you can see the vikings of vinland is not so far fetched.
the first button could be 1800's so you can surlly see why the pirate theory could hold water.
the last button has no visible date but appears to be 1700's early 1800's

 

[CRUSADER]

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"I would estimate all your finds date to the mid 1900's... "
GOOD ONE, I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THE BEST WAY TO DATE SOMETHING IS FIND A COIN.

clearly this stuf dates from between the 1900's to the 1400's.
the first button could be 1800's so you can surlly see why the pirate theory could hold water.

Firstly coins are a good indication of date when they come from an archaeological sealed layer. Any other coins found without proper excavation telling you nothing other than it could not have been lost before that date. However it could have been lost hundreds of years later. So to use 1400 has a start/end date range is conjecture.

The first button who's crown I can't quite make out looks post 1900, possibly WWI era.

 

[hmmm]

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i guess the next step for me is to hire a archaeologist and date the other stuff in the archaeological sealed layer and put it in a museum . who would invest in this adventure, if when its over , we get nothing for our efforts and expenses.
I guess there is always movies , news and law suites.
I should mention ,the 1624 coin and the 1408 coin where together in the same layer. The coin from 1408 has a hole in it for the neck lace, warn flat on the back, as to suggest it was warn by , maybe a pirate, for a very very long time. The other object left in place in the ground could be the chain, hmmm. need a permit to find out.
Its funny how its wrong for me to go dig it up, but its ok to dessicrate the whole site and the forests behind the sites which would have been protected .
oh where are dem boards, which over look the log dump..hmmm..

 

[Ralphw]

Re: OLD BENTWOOD BOX'S AND DEM BOARDS

not telling you to break the law or anything... but it would be very hard for me to leave that stuff buried for someone else to take and never see or hear from again....

just my 2 cents

 

[CRUSADER]

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i guess the next step for me is to hire a archaeologist and date the other stuff in the archaeological sealed layer and put it in a museum . who would invest in this adventure, if when its over , we get nothing for our efforts and expenses.
I guess there is always movies , news and law suites.
I should mention ,the 1624 coin and the 1408 coin where together in the same layer. The coin from 1408 has a hole in it for the neck lace, warn flat on the back, as to suggest it was warn by , maybe a pirate, for a very very long time. The other object left in place in the ground could be the chain, hmmm. need a permit to find out.
Its funny how its wrong for me to go dig it up, but its ok to dessicrate the whole site and the forests behind the sites which would have been protected .
oh where are dem boards, which over look the log dump..hmmm..

I'm not saying you need an archie, only to keep an open mind with the dates on the coins until you have more dating evidence.

 

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Its the law that says i can only do this by hireing a archeologist. . not sure what you mean "open mind with the dates om the coin" coins have dates on them.
this summer i was told there is a cave with coffins sticking out of them, i spoke to someone who saw them. she said "you can see them from a plane and if you try to get close to them, the tribe that lives there runs down and stands in front of the caves.." These are coffins, why would they be first nation? .

 

[CRUSADER]

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Its the law that says i can only do this by hireing a archeologist. . not sure what you mean "open mind with the dates om the coin" coins have dates on them.

Sorry bad English - I meant keep an open mind about the date they were lost.

 

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they coin's and buttons seem to all be connected, they have all been lost , possibly in the early 1900's.  but the Japanese coins could have been lost many times, they are 400 years old. the Chinese coin could have been lost many times , its 600 years old.  I believe they where placed, not lost. but where did they come from and why where i found them,. these questions all cost money , an individual can do it, but there is no benefit or thank you.  Ralph, every thing i have, that is older then 1849 is illegal. but its only illegal after its been identified. with that said, yes, i assume everything i nave found is from the 1900's.
i will asume the coins are fake.

 

[CRUSADER]

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they coin's and buttons seem to all be connected, they have all been lost , possibly in the early 1900's. but the Japanese coins could have been lost many times, they are 400 years old. the Chinese coin could have been lost many times , its 600 years old. I believe they where placed, not lost. but where did they come from and why where i found them,. these questions all cost money , an individual can do it, but there is no benefit or thank you. Ralph, every thing i have, that is older then 1849 is illegal. but its only illegal after its been identified. with that said, yes, i assume everything i nave found is from the 1900's.
i will asume the coins are fake.

I understand all of that from reading the link on your Laws. It must be very frustrating for you or any other detectorist under those rules. Over here we have the National Council for Metal Detecting (NCMD) & the Federation of Independant Detectorist (FID) both parties protect our interests & lobbing parliament for fair Laws on detecting. Does Canada have anything similar that can put pressure on the Government to make changes?

 

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WHAT BUGS ME IS THE LAWS DO NOT SEEM TO APPLY TO NATIVES OR BIG BUISNESS.
This picture shows where the mines are, its the sacred mountain i have in the thor ect topic. when this picture was taken, it was virgin area, now its been clear cutt.

 

[CRUSADER]

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WHAT BUGS ME IS THE LAWS DO NOT SEEM TO APPLY TO BIG BUISNESS.

Thats true of a lot of Laws, it bugs me but thats life. Be happy with what you have, change what you can & cover yourself for things that you can't. Focus on the positive. In Belgium its against the Law to detect (full stop).

Back to this question, do you have Metal Detecting bodies that can protect your interests?

 

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," do you have Metal Detecting bodies that can protect your interests?"
I'm sure there is, if any can point me to one, it would be helpful.

the cave in the pictures below have a skull and cross bones and the  first box i posted [openbox.jpg] marking it's entrances.. i think its' a light house and is in the best place for one. but the question is who would go through this much effort to create such a fortress.  Believe me, when you get inside, its massive, the problem is all the small caves in side are filled with wood. the fire Pitt is behind the pinnacle rock, when the fire is light it illuminates. Its clearly a man made fortress and has been filed with rocks, . But who in the past would mark this site and why. looking like pirates, pirates or black beard..

I shoul tell yous about the guy who showed me the skull and cross bones.   he reported it to the athorities, they said, tell us where it is, they looked and never found it. he got upset and took them. they took pictures using there bick lighters, then took the skull and threw the bicks on the bones, this got the founder of this spot upset and discused. demanded to know the results, they told him 1735ish and most likly indian. 

the reason I went into this cave was because i was told you could get to it from a cave behind the cliff.   I thought go in backwards, very cool, its huge and has small caves going in all diferent directions.
this all brings us back to the lost lighthouses.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,102727.0.html
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,112379.msg816783.html#msg816783

I went to the fire hall today and my  fire chief handed me the video of the old shamon in the solstice caves and in the slumach swamps where the mines are. he transfered it from hi8 to dvd for me and ill place it on the net and post a link for you.

 

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here is something of intrest. two summers ago i found the captatns button, this past summer i found a hook in in the same spot, 8 feet away. hmmm

 

[Kas]

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The hook is a lumberjack hook, for moving logs down a river.

Secondly, and after all the chitter-chatter, if it has been so many years, and the BC museum doesn't give a rats ass about what you are doing, then why are you worried about it? Go dig around, find what you can find and forget it. Leave the bones alone. Forget about the wood boxes, I don't see the treasure value in them. Use a detector, look for a silver reading, gold reading on the detector screen and dig. When you can't hear anymore good targets move on.

I haven't a clue what the deal is here. After twenty years if ou don't know the history by now you never will. Jeez!

 

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museum now open, NO charge.
http://s199.photobucket.com/albums/aa208/atochaspictures/
ok, now i know  what i need , a ground penetrating radar i have no money but  if any one has one on vancover island, i could realy use one .  these boxes mark caves that have been filled in and  there would be no law against using it to take a picture of the caves.  if i can show something is there, i could get a permit , .  http://www.sensoft.ca/index.html

 

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This mound of blast rock is in a cave and is marked by a box. it over looks where i believe the spanish mines are, it could be the lost spanish mound.

 

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I found this quote while reaserching " the haida clam story"
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,124400.0.html


"The islands were named after HMS Queen Charlotte, Lord Howe's flagship named in honour of Queen Charlotte, wife of King George III. Dispatched by King George's Sound Company to trade in sea otter furs between the Pacific coast of America and China, Captain George Dixon named the islands after his vessel in the summer of 1787."

 

[BioProfessor]

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hmmm,

Do you have any good friends in Vancouver or near the British Columbian Museum? I would suggest you post a few items that you could live without and finding out about would help a great deal to this friend. Have him/her walk into the place items in hand and ask to see visit the research area. They will see him/her. They will give you some information. Since the items don't leave the country, they won't be opened or inspected when posted. Don't tell your friend anything except the general area the items were found. He/she can honestly say they don't know anything about them. This will get some results and some help.

Daryl

 

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That is a good idea,  i see some of my pictures have been taken off the site, ill put them back. this does not suprise me, these boxes repesent what some do not want exposed.   when i was a kid i knew about the cave with a cross and the boxes behind the cross, i took the cops to see it last summer. all the old boxes where taken and a new box was put in its place , what appeared to be a dead animal was put in the box , then the entrance was blasted , partly closing it.
I have been told of another one , she said there is some bones and she called them " the pointy shoed english man". 
Its clear to me now all the boxes where placed at the same time, dem heads where also put in the caves, and they appear to be victiums of crime from the early 1800's or late 1700's.  as these sites are being taken in land claims we may never know the real story behind it.

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At first i thought you ment this star, found near by under the same curcumstances. Its very tiny, just bigger then a bick pen . finding it was a fluke , open ground, but but like the boxes, a marker.  the star you asked about, with the moon on it, from topic 26, is exactly the same size as a canadain quarter.  the missing peice of the star is still in the spot where i found it, proof the two are connected. 
the offer of a roll of silver quarters is tempting, but  i cant sell the star leagly, and have told the rcmp " i wont sell anything." 
i can leagly sell the location of the missing peice of the star, realy the value is in whats left on the site the movie potentail is huge.  a
fter the indian land claims are settled , this site will be for sale.  inside information i guess.  right now its just a peice of land,   with whats under ground and my story it's worth a fortune.  the bid is a roll of quarters.
---This star is quite a work of art, its half again as deep and appears as if the lines are a copper or gold sheet and the silver star has been pushed up into the sheet, they would have cut a star shape in the gold , or copper leif, and push the silver star up into it.  WOW ITS AMASING WHAT YOU CAN FIND IF YOU LOOK FOR IT..  to bad my camera died.