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[ECS]

But the question at hand is it "true"?
Oh don't let what I think stop you from saying what's on your mind, you haven't so far.
Go ahead and spew out what you have learned in history class on the Scottish Rite Masons.

So I reckon you are not going to share your vast knowledge concerning the "Scottish Rite"?
As with many others, you are quick to disparage another when presented facts don't fit your view, but very slow on presenting any supporting evidence for speculative alternative history.
Maybe its time for you to crack open one of those "regurgitated" history books and learn real historical facts.

 

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[treasure1822]

So I reckon you are not going to share your vast knowledge concerning the "Scottish Rite"?
As with many others, you are quick to disparage another when presented facts don't fit your view, but very slow on presenting any supporting evidence for speculative alternative history.
Maybe its time for you to crack open one of those "regurgitated" history books and learn real historical facts.

"HEY!!!" ECS!!! We need you to focus for a moment...Remember, I'm the one who asked about the "Scottish Rite" you skirted the question twice...and you forgot what was said by creator of this thread, NO Proof Needed...I'm interested in knowing what specific time period you studied or was it "General History"? And the next question, Whose history?

 

[ECS]

"HEY!!!" ECS!!! We need you to focus for a moment...Remember, I'm the one who asked about the "Scottish Rite" you skirted the question twice...

"HEY!!!" treasure1822!!! You need to refocus for a moment...Remember you are the one who attacks the messenger when confronted by hard facts that disprove the speculative fabrications you post as fact.
As for skirting the question you are rather adept at that practice.

PS, Rebel-KGC provided the answers concerning the Scottist Rite from a learned position, and also confirmed that it was formed in 1801 in Charleston, South Carolina, which I posted.

Now you stated that the Scottish Rite had involvement in the American colonies before the Revolution, but never followed through with any collaborating facts to back up that dubious "one liner".
Before you accuse another of "skirting a question" maybe you should practice what you preach.
"Does a body good".

PS, I have noticed that you have not disproved any of the facts I have so far posted.

 

[treasure1822]

"HEY!!!" treasure1822!!! You need to refocus for a moment...Remember you are the one who attacks the messenger when confronted by hard facts that disprove the speculative fabrications you post as fact.
As for skirting the question you are rather adept at that practice.

PS, Rebel-KGC provided the answers concerning the Scottist Rite from a learned position, and also confirmed that it was formed in 1801 in Charleston, South Carolina, which I posted.

Now you stated that the Scottish Rite had involvement in the American colonies before the Revolution, but never followed through with any collaborating facts to back up that dubious "one liner".
Before you accuse another of "skirting a question" maybe you should practice what you preach.
"Does a body good".

PS, I have noticed that you have not disproved any of the facts I have so far posted.

What facts? I commented on your "I Majored in History" comment because you were starting to belittle what people had to say and you responded to me the same way, "That does explain a lot". Your standing behind lack of evidence as proof of your point and this thread was not about proving, it was about theories which can only be proven if an examination is allowed on the island...and that will never happen.

I do thank Rebel for his input on the "Scottish Rite" but that wasn't what I was looking for. I want to know the meaning of "Scottish Rite", it was you who I wanted to hear from seeing how you had made it clear that you were the scholarly one who "Majored" in History in college. I am very interested in hearing what the professors have to say in the academic world in the area of "Secret Societies". Better yet explain the use of the word "Rite".

As for what I said it was, "That group that had redesigned themselves in Scotland had plans here", If I could get a meaning to the word "Scottish Rite" as they were meant maybe we would know more.

And you have still skirted the question...

 

[franklin]

ECS, Your facts are easy to come up with, a Google Search can find all of these facts as quickly as you want them. What you must remember when we research we start with those easy found facts to solve the unknown facts. That is the difference between what you do and what we do when we research.

For myself I have solved every mystery I have set out to solve. I have proven several treasure mysteries nothing but a fabricated story and I have found the treasure mysteries that are true and verifiable. I can look at your asking questions as seeking hard earned research through years of work that we have done. We do not simply give that information out freely as you ask for proof. Why should we prove anything to you or anyone else. The only person I have to prove anything to is myself. And I am a good judge of what I have proven and what I have not proven. I do not need your help, at least I have never asked for your help. Mostly because you do not have what I am seeking. So all I can say is keep asking but the more you go asking the more I go balking.

 

[ECS]

... I want to know the meaning of "Scottish Rite", it was you who I wanted to hear from seeing how you had made it clear that you were the scholarly one who "Majored" in History in college.
I am very interested in hearing what the professors have to say in the academic world in the area of "Secret Societies".
Better yet explain the use of the word "Rite"...

Are there any colleges or universities that have a course in SECRET SOCIETIES 101?
...or CONSPIRACIES 101?
No there are not. WHY?
Because fabricated hidden arcane conspiracies concerning Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Templars is NOT LEGITIMATE HISTORY.

Not being a Scottish Rite member I have NO DIRECT KNOWLEDGE for what you ask and will not stoop to the fabricated tales of which you are so fond- Rebel-KGC is a bonafide expert in this matter to answer these questions.
As for the meaning of "rite", there is a book called a dictionary that will provide a definition.

 

[ECS]

ECS, Your facts are easy to come up with, a Google Search can find all of these facts as quickly as you want them.
What you must remember when we research we start with those easy found facts to solve the unknown facts.
That is the difference between what you do and what we do when we research...

If all my facts are "easy to come up with" by Google Search, why haven't you utilized that before posting misinformation that I have corrected many times with actual facts, and yes, I have cited a source with a posted link as proof that it was fact and NOT fabricated research to fit a pet theory.
Yes, Franklin, that is the difference.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Are there any colleges or universities that have a course in SECRET SOCIETIES 101?
...or CONSPIRACIES 101?
No there are not. WHY?
Because fabricated hidden arcane conspiracies concerning Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Templars is NOT LEGITIMATE HISTORY.

I disagree slightly. I took Organizational Behavior and in anthropology we got into cults and social "secret societies" and tribal rites of passage. The Scottish Rite goes back to 1733 or so and has some historical and anthropological relevance. As do concepts like the Ghost Dance of the Paiute and Mormonism. Anything people did or still do is of historical interest; and why they did it or do it is of interest to anthropologists and behaviorists.

 

[gr88bd]

In my hillbilly neck of the woods, the The Order of Odd Fellows was a more popular club to be a member of. The rumor Ive always heard was that the Scottish Rite was the warring faction of the Masons ...

 

[franklin]

I disagree slightly. I took Organizational Behavior and in anthropology we got into cults and social "secret societies" and tribal rites of passage. The Scottish Rite goes back to 1733 or so and has some historical and anthropological relevance. As do concepts like the Ghost Dance of the Paiute and Mormonism. Anything people did or still do is of historical interest; and why they did it or do it is of interest to anthropologists and behaviorists.

Same information as I have. The Rosicrucians were before that and the Knight's Templar before that. There are others that go back thousands of years BC. Just like the Newport Tower and Stonehenge where the Druids held celestial ceremonies. Where the solstices are marked by the light shining through holes.

I got interested in these sort of things while in high school literature classes. The teacher let us go into a secret room off from the library. There were books in there I have never seen in a library today. There was one book in particular I remember because it was written by a blind man. It was beautiful written in seven or eight rhyming stanzas and there was over 600 or either 6000 of them. The blind man wrote it down as the Arch-Angel Gabriel told it to him. I can not remember the name of the book because at the time I was just doing what I had to, to make the grade. I sure wish I had that book in my hands again. There was another book that told of flying machines in the first world before the flood. These machines were invisible and the pilots had to eat certain foods certain times of the year to fly the machine. They also had the ability to see inside the enemy flying machines. I do not know if these machines were of this world or another world. My high school has been torn down now and I wonder where all of those ancient books went to?

 

[treasure1822]

Are there any colleges or universities that have a course in SECRET SOCIETIES 101?
...or CONSPIRACIES 101?
No there are not. WHY?
Because fabricated hidden arcane conspiracies concerning Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Templars is NOT LEGITIMATE HISTORY.

Not being a Scottish Rite member I have NO DIRECT KNOWLEDGE for what you ask and will not stoop to the fabricated tales of which you are so fond- Rebel-KGC is a bonafide expert in this matter to answer these questions.
As for the meaning of "rite", there is a book called a dictionary that will provide a definition.

Tales no, Theories yes, based on legends...I guess your major in History doesn't really pertain to this particular subject now does it...Now as for the , Freemasons, Rosicrucian, Templar's, they had all played a part in history and to say that there is nothing more then these little notches in time especial where the Templar's have no end the Freemasons have no start. Let us not forget the Illuminati, which have no stories for telling but they were there. You have a monument in Georgia know as the Guide Stone and that is the closest thing that could be attached to the Rosicrucian. You have stones with Templar symbols carved into stone around North America but one has fessed up to them and "Legitimate History saying it was a joke. And their bases for judgement is on someones idea of probability measured on a dataless scale. As for the dictionary...• RITE (noun) The noun RITE has 2 senses:
1. an established ceremony prescribed by a religion
2. any customary observance or practice

So what Scottish ceremony based on religion or Scottish Observance or Practice? Is this order based on?

 

[ECS]

...
So what Scottish ceremony based on religion or Scottish Observance or Practice? Is this order based on?

Haggis, kilts, and bagpipes.
...or is the answer revealed in the COPIALE CIPHER?

 

[ECS]

I disagree slightly. I took Organizational Behavior and in anthropology we got into cults and social "secret societies" and tribal rites of passage. The Scottish Rite goes back to 1733 or so and has some historical and anthropological relevance. As do concepts like the Ghost Dance of the Paiute and Mormonism. Anything people did or still do is of historical interest; and why they did it or do it is of interest to anthropologists and behaviorists.

I slightly agree with you concerning anthropological role studies concerning societal group behavior roles and dynamics, but the comment made was in response to "secret societies" being presented academically as hard legitimate history in colleges and universities.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Secret societies are a common element in history. Seems, however, that we know of a whole lot of secret societies.

It's no fun to be part of one that only the members know about - so they leak out just enough to make it desirable. ;-)

The ones you've never heard of - they're the real thing.

 

[treasure1822]

Secret societies are a common element in history. Seems, however, that we know of a whole lot of secret societies.

It's no fun to be part of one that only the members know about - so they leak out just enough to make it desirable. ;-)

The ones you've never heard of - they're the real thing.

I agree...I have a theory on the Freemason and it hasn't been to popular with other Masons. I mean no disrespect to them either. My boss is a Freemason and every time I bring up the subject he speaks of disemboweling me. Any ways, I have looked the the Freemasons as the entry level to the secret societies. Higher levels being the "Odd fellows", or the "Shriner's", Society of the Cincinnati or even the Illuminati there is a bunch and each with their own special forte,.ie: Military, Political, finances, humanitarian efforts. The higher levels drawing a worthy candidate from the Freemason b invitation only. The societies remaining secret even within their own groups.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I got interested in these sort of things while in high school literature classes. The teacher let us go into a secret room off from the library. There were books in there I have never seen in a library today. There was one book in particular I remember because it was written by a blind man. It was beautiful written in seven or eight rhyming stanzas and there was over 600 or either 6000 of them. The blind man wrote it down as the Arch-Angel Gabriel told it to him. I can not remember the name of the book because at the time I was just doing what I had to, to make the grade. I sure wish I had that book in my hands again. There was another book that told of flying machines in the first world before the flood. These machines were invisible and the pilots had to eat certain foods certain times of the year to fly the machine. They also had the ability to see inside the enemy flying machines. I do not know if these machines were of this world or another world. My high school has been torn down now and I wonder where all of those ancient books went to?

Sounds like some of the descriptions in the Vimana from Sanskrit legends. But then the planets and sun were pulled around on various chariots or ships.

Before the flood? Was that Summarian flood myth of Ziurdsura, the later Babylonian flood of Gilgamesh, the later Akkradian flood myth of Atrahasis, or the more recent Levant flood of Noah? It's a good story and gets better in the various retellings. Or the Hopi or Inuit or Chinese versions? Seems a whole lot of folks lived through this flood. Maybe it was just a particularly wet year.

 

[ECS]

...I have a theory on the Freemason and it hasn't been to popular with other Masons.
I mean no disrespect to them either.
My boss is a Freemason and every time I bring up the subject he speaks of disemboweling me...

You do have a way of bringing that out in people.

 

[ECS]

Sounds like some of the descriptions in the Vimana from Sanskrit legends. But then the planets and sun were pulled around on various chariots or ships.

Before the flood? Was that Summarian flood myth of Ziurdsura, the later Babylonian flood of Gilgamesh, the later Akkradian flood myth of Atrahasis, or the more recent Levant flood of Noah? It's a good story and gets better in the various retellings. Or the Hopi or Inuit or Chinese versions? Seems a whole lot of folks lived through this flood. Maybe it was just a particularly wet year.

Then we have the theory of Immanuel Velikovsky's WORLDS IN COLLISION than began with an Egyptian papyrus scroll, THE ADMONITIONS OF IPUWER, which detailed the 10 plagues of Moses, and Velikovsky related to a reaction of Venus disrupting the orbit of Mars which caused worldwide disturbances that were recorded by various cultures in legends, lore, and religious texts.

 

[franklin]

Sounds like some of the descriptions in the Vimana from Sanskrit legends. But then the planets and sun were pulled around on various chariots or ships.

Before the flood? Was that Summarian flood myth of Ziurdsura, the later Babylonian flood of Gilgamesh, the later Akkradian flood myth of Atrahasis, or the more recent Levant flood of Noah? It's a good story and gets better in the various retellings. Or the Hopi or Inuit or Chinese versions? Seems a whole lot of folks lived through this flood. Maybe it was just a particularly wet year.

If there was no Flood of Noah then please explain how Noah's Ark got 12,600 feet upon Mount Ararat?

 

[Stretch Da Truth]

Same information as I have. The Rosicrucians were before that and the Knight's Templar before that. There are others that go back thousands of years BC. Just like the Newport Tower and Stonehenge where the Druids held celestial ceremonies. Where the solstices are marked by the light shining through holes.

I got interested in these sort of things while in high school literature classes. The teacher let us go into a secret room off from the library. There were books in there I have never seen in a library today. There was one book in particular I remember because it was written by a blind man. It was beautiful written in seven or eight rhyming stanzas and there was over 600 or either 6000 of them. The blind man wrote it down as the Arch-Angel Gabriel told it to him. I can not remember the name of the book because at the time I was just doing what I had to, to make the grade. I sure wish I had that book in my hands again. There was another book that told of flying machines in the first world before the flood. These machines were invisible and the pilots had to eat certain foods certain times of the year to fly the machine. They also had the ability to see inside the enemy flying machines. I do not know if these machines were of this world or another world. My high school has been torn down now and I wonder where all of those ancient books went to?

Interesting this secrete room off the library and the books you mention. If you ever remember the titles, please share with us.

Sounds like some of the descriptions in the Vimana from Sanskrit legends. But then the planets and sun were pulled around on various chariots or ships.

Before the flood? Was that Summarian flood myth of Ziurdsura, the later Babylonian flood of Gilgamesh, the later Akkradian flood myth of Atrahasis, or the more recent Levant flood of Noah? It's a good story and gets better in the various retellings. Or the Hopi or Inuit or Chinese versions? Seems a whole lot of folks lived through this flood. Maybe it was just a particularly wet year.

I like reading the different flood stories from different cultures. I often wonder when it happened? Was it world wide or just areas? Did it happen multiple times? Can any or all of these floods have helped the wear and tear of the stone on the Sphinx that could possibly prove it could be up to 30,000 years old?

Then we have the theory of Immanuel Velikovsky's WORLDS IN COLLISION than began with an Egyptian papyrus scroll, THE ADMONITIONS OF IPUWER, which detailed the 10 plagues of Moses, and Velikovsky related to a reaction of Venus disrupting the orbit of Mars which caused worldwide disturbances that were recorded by various cultures in legends, lore, and religious texts.

Ahhh, ancient Egypt was a place of wonder. These people could have made the OI tunnels and Money Pit area look like a poor attempt at a Cub Scout camp. If they did the tunnels and vault it would be amazing!
Planetary disturbances were often blamed on not pleasing the gods... good excuse for sacrificing more people.