OI: Tell us your What? Who? And Why? No proof needed here.

[b3y0nd3r]

Re-read the quotation. Carefully. What evidence is being presented that rules out natural, and who is presenting it?

Triton's carbon dated man made metal from deep underground. Independent BOTANISTS AND THE Smithsonian. All you have to do is look iook it up.

"This level of cognitive bias is impressive, even by the standards of this forum."

Cognitive bias? Providing an exact quote is bias? If I said that president Bush said "mission accomplished" would that mean I am for or against him and his views?

Learn to differentiate between Providing a quote and taking a side.

As for this:

"But O’Connor believes that the pit must have been dug by the Spanish, whose galleons, loaded with New World plunder, passed within 400 miles of Nova Scotia in the 16th century. He speculates that a disabled ship stashed its loot, planning to return, but sank before it could carry news of the trove back to Spain. “The chances are better than even,” he says, “that the treasure is still there"

I didn't see him say this. If it was quoted out of a book or interview, it must of been later on. However I was speaking about the quote I mentioned.

I suppose because I believe that someone buried something and it isn't natural, I have an agenda to sell books or get you to invest in the money pit? OR It could be that i'm just providing factually said quotes.

 

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[Dave Rishar]

"This level of cognitive bias is impressive, even by the standards of this forum."

Cognitive bias? Providing an exact quote is bias?

Someone was there at some time, and I can only assume to bury something of great value."

No. Nor did he say there was treasure.

Did I mix something up? Apologies in advance if I did.

 

[b3y0nd3r]

Did I mix something up? Apologies in advance if I did.

Something of great value is truly subjective. It could be anything. It doesn't mean treasure per say.

But anyway, I didn't say you have to believe him. I am saying I do.

 

[Dave Rishar]

It doesn't mean treasure per say.

You're right, it doesn't. Not verbatim. It certainly implies it though, doesn't it?

Other than treasure, what sorts of things of great value would a person generally bury in the ground?

 

[lokiblossom]

So . . . he found the treasure?

The treasure of Oak Island is old, soggy coconut fiber. Such a marvel.


By the way - Triton took the sample to the lab. Any lawyer would have that dismissed as evidence from a trial because of the risk of contamination and the loss of the chain of evidence. Also, seawater messes up "Carbon-14" dating because of ions in the seawater.

Seawater messes up "Carbon-14 dating if the object had been living in the seawater, otherwise, not so much!

Cheers, your friend, Loki

 

[Carl-NC]

Triton's carbon dated man made metal from deep underground. Independent BOTANISTS AND THE Smithsonian. All you have to do is look iook it up.

Presented by someone with a vested interest in maintaining a narrative. Is this metal more, or less, reliable evidence than the cypher stone, gold link, parchment fragment, severed hand video, etc etc etc that's been presented?

Maybe one day Wood's Hole will be invited back to do a real site analysis. Until then, I wouldn't trust a single scrap of "evidence" as, so far, there has been way too much delusion and fakery involved.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Seawater messes up "Carbon-14 dating if the object had been living in the seawater, otherwise, not so much!

Cheers, your friend, Loki

So, if it floated there naturally by sea? Even dead plants absorb salts and dissolved isotopes/ions in seawater - like waterlogged logs. Seawater preserves wood because it "pickles" it. Ask a wooden boat owner why saltwater is better than freshwater.

Or, if as some have claimed, it was deliberately placed as part of some strange "drain", then it wouldn't do much draining if it was above sea level. Or if it was the intake for seawater - same. It had to be in contact with seawater. Sea level on an island is commonly inundated with . . . seawater.

 

[sadam]

what about in the philippins in mindana??

 

[ECS]

...
There are a whole bunch of avenues that will lead one to where the Ark of the Covenant of God is located.
First, solve the mystery of the Beale Treasure and it's encoded DOI
Second, go against all your believes you have ever learned in life.
Three, Decode the KJV of the Holy Bible.
Four, Learn everything you can about our Founding Fathers and how this country was formed.
Fifth, Learn everything about the Rosary Cross, Rosalyn Chapel, Knight's Templar especially about 1307, then learn of the freemasons in America.
Sixth, You will have to know Gematria. Decipher the folios, sonnets of Shakespeare. Read all the books by Sir Walter Raleigh.
Seventh, Learn about Herdewke and Ralph de Sudeley and his sons. Especially the one called "Atoul" which is "Atwell"
Eighth, Read everything about Christopher Columbus. Also the voyage of the Mayflower and her personal log.
Ninth, Everything you can read on Jamestown, Williamsburg, Plymouth Rock, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C.
Tenth, Do all of this in reverse and add another 99 items to read and learn. Then you will be able to find out where the Ark of the Covenant of God is located today.

...then do the Hokey Pokey and turn yourself around, that's what it's all about!

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Triton's carbon dated man made metal from deep underground.

You can't "carbon date" metal because it never experienced respiration. You can only carbon date organic matter.

 

[Billieg]

A simpler solution is that the dozens of various searchers over the centuries have found all what was originally there . . . nothing.


Think of it - this is the only treasure legend that doesn't start with a known or lost treasure. Some kids thought something might have been buried on an island.

Looks like they thought wrong.

The rest is local restaurant and inn owners and the Nova Scotia tourist board keeping the dollars coming in.

I almost agree with you but:
Ball came into town with gold and silver to purchase goods so he must have found something and it couldn't have been buried deep.
They have found wood planks every 10 feet for 170 ft. so someone had to put them there. They also found pieces of gold chain on a drill bit deep under ground.

The big problem I have is the 170ft. Why would and how could they dig 170 ft deep just to bury something they intended to return and get? With their modern machines it takes days to reach that depth. Back in the 16th century it would seem impossible and improbable to do so.

I don't understand why they don't use a scanner to check out the top 10' - 12' of the island for treasure that may have been buried. Still it's very interesting and we may never know the answers.

 

[n2mini]

I think they supposedly only found the wood planks down to the supposedly found stone.. and maybe not even that far down which was 90'. We hear about the original 3 finding the planks every 10' but once they quit and come back with help years later their not talked about as much.

 

[Bodkin]

Build an elaborate tunnel system, put nothing in it, leave a block and tackle giving the impression there's something in it, and bury "whatever" on another island. I do live up this way. There are A LOT of islands here!!! We think that we are so much more clever than those back in the day. We're not! Oh.., did I mention that there's A LOT of islands up here??!

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I almost agree with you but:
Ball came into town with gold and silver to purchase goods so he must have found something and it couldn't have been buried deep.

Or found/earned elsewhere

They have found wood planks every 10 feet for 170 ft. so someone had to put them there.

They supposedly found "logs"; not planks. And I think at two or three different levels but maybe to 40 ft depth. Not 170 ft. Storm deposited driftwood silted into a natural sinkhole is as good of an explanation. There was no evidence retained and it was decades after the "boys" dug and found this that such was first reported.

They also found pieces of gold chain on a drill bit deep under ground.

The cynic in me says perhaps salted to attract investors. They seem to have found the whole three link chain as none have turned up since.

The big problem I have is the 170ft. Why would and how could they dig 170 ft deep just to bury something they intended to return and get?

Simple: it never happened. They didn't. 28 groups in two centuries have confirmed this so far.

 

[Ancientpaths]

I live only 2 hours from oak Island. Wonder if they would give me permission to MD🤔

 

[Dave Rishar]

I live only 2 hours from oak Island. Wonder if they would give me permission to MD樂

I wouldn't waste my time. I've had more luck at local parks than several centuries of treasure hunters have had at Oak Island, and this is by no means a wealthy town.

 

[Billieg]

Ball came into town with gold and silver to purchase goods so he must have found something and it couldn't have been buried deep.

Or found/earned elsewhere
He was an ex slave. He didn't "Earn it"

They supposedly found "logs"; not planks. And I think at two or three different levels but maybe to 40 ft depth. Not 170 ft. Storm deposited driftwood silted into a natural sinkhole is as good of an explanation.
Ya, driftwood sinks at 10' level naturally.... in 10' x 10' squares....

The cynic in me says perhaps salted to attract investors. They seem to have found the whole three link chain as none have turned up since.
That could very well be. But the rest is a question.

Simple: it never happened. They didn't. 28 groups in two centuries have confirmed this so far.

And how do we "know" what they really found?


I'm a big skeptic but there are things that cannot be explained away...

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I think everything I have seen, read or heard about can be explained as either natural occurance or the result of the mess made by prior searchers. That island has had more penetrations than the US Gymnastics Team.


Sorry . . . too soon?

 

[ECS]

... Learn about Herdewke and Ralph de Sudeley and his sons.
Especially the one called "Atoul" which is "Atwell"...

Ralph de Sudeley's son's name was spelled "OTUEL" , not sure how that becomes "Atwell".
William de Sudeley, brother, had changed his last name to that of his mother's , de Tracey, and was one of the four knights that murdered Thomas 'a Becket in the cathedral for King Henry II. All four were excommunicated by Pope Alexander.
Ralph de Sudeley was a Crusader in the Holy Lands, and claimed to have discovered many "Holy Relics", which he brought back to England, put on display charging admission, and selling slivers of the "True Cross" as souvenirs to visitors of his themed museum.
Sudeley also acted as a recruiter of men for Henry II's son, King Richard I the Lionheart's Crusade to the Holy Land.
Zena Halpern, using the proven hoax Cremona Document "A YEAR WE REMEMBER" as the basis of her " THE TEMPLER MISSION TO OAK ISLAND AND BEYOND" about an imaginary voyage to North America by Ralph de Sudeley.
*NOTE* Not all Crusaders were Templars which seems to be a current misconception of these pulp pseudo quasi historian authors.

 

[ECS]

...
Did you know that Christoper Columbus married the great great grand-daughter of Sir Henry Sinclair.
They were married in 1475 and they had an only son that most likely was raised by his grandmother, Donna.
Now Donna's husband, Bartholomew Perestrello was a Grand-master of the Knight's of Christ in Portugal and was a Captain of ships. His daughter, which Christopher Columbus married was only five years when her father died. All of his maps and charts went to Christopher Columbus. Right after Christoper Columbus' wife passed away--in or around 1476, he set sail for the Islands in the North Atlantic in 1477, while searching the northern routes to America.
So Columbus was no stranger to the going on expeditions of the Knight's Templar for almost two hundred years before his voyage in 1492...

Christopher Columbus's wife was Dona Felipa Moniz Perestrelo, a Portuguese noblewoman, whose father, Bartolomeu Perestrelo was the governor of Porto Santo, and was a Knight of Santiago, a Catholic Order, not a Templar.
His father was from a long family line in Lombardy Italy, and was a Lombard Knight, and this family had no connection to Henry Sinclair or to the Templars.
Diego grandmother was Isabel Moniz Perestrelo, and at an early age, Diego was a Page to Prince Don Juan, and later to Queen Isabella.