OI: Tell us your What? Who? And Why? No proof needed here.

[franklin]

Or you could just tell us. I told you where I thought that it was. I even provided a (very) little proof. I was joking, but hell, at least I was joking openly.

If it can't be recovered, no harm, no foul. If it can be recovered...well, you said that it can't, but you might be surprised what some people can accomplish when they're suitably motivated. Crowdsourcing is often more trouble than it's worth, but sometimes it's certainly worth the trouble. You know a guy, and that guy knows another guy, and that guy knows another guy...

No I do not think so. It can not be recovered and I do not know what would happen if someone tried to steal it? It will be revealed when God is ready to do so. I think it best to leave it where it is. I am going to visit the area just to see if I can feel the Ark's presence or I should say God's Presence.

The superstitions of man has hidden the Ark of the Covenant of God for over 400 years. Those superstitions are hard to overcome in one's own belief. But once you can overcome those superstitions then the doors open up.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

I do not know about the "Monks"/Sentinels?

There are a whole bunch of avenues that will lead one to where the Ark of the Covenant of God is located.

First, solve the mystery of the Beale Treasure and it's encoded DOI
Second, go against all your believes you have ever learned in life.
Three, Decode the KJV of the Holy Bible.
Four, Learn everything you can about our Founding Fathers and how this country was formed.
Fifth, Learn everything about the Rosary Cross, Rosalyn Chapel, Knight's Templar especially about 1307, then learn of the freemasons in America.
Sixth, You will have to know Gematria. Decipher the folios, sonnets of Shakespeare. Read all the books by Sir Walter Raleigh.
Seventh, Learn about Herdewke and Ralph de Sudeley and his sons. Especially the one called "Atoul" which is "Atwell"
Eighth, Read everything about Christopher Columbus. Also the voyage of the Mayflower and her personal log.
Ninth, Everything you can read on Jamestown, Williamsburg, Plymouth Rock, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C.
Tenth, Do all of this in reverse and add another 99 items to read and learn. Then you will be able to find out where the Ark of the Covenant of God is located today.

LOL! YOU did all THAT...? It is ROSSLYN Chapel in Scotland... "google" it. OR... http://www.rosslynchapel.com HH! Good Luck!

 

[franklin]

LOL! YOU did all THAT...? It is ROSSLYN Chapel in Scotland... "google" it. OR... http://www.rosslynchapel.com HH! Good Luck!

That's the one. I tend to like my misspelling, Rosalyn instead of Rosslyn because of the Rosary Cross? Don't know either way we know where we are talking about.

Rosslyn, Scotland
Scottish Rite
Nova Scotia
All related.

 

[Raparee]

With pleasure... "Google" Christopher Columbus - Knight of Christ; AND! There was a book on him being KoC, related to the KT... have it in my box on KT in my basement.

Done. No credible link exists between the Italian Columbus (who sailed for Spain) and the Portuguese Order of Christ. Not in anything that I found, anyhow. Some people have claimed that his father in law was grand master of the order, but that has not been verified. If he were a member of the Order, I wonder why the Portuguese crown at the time rejected his proposals ...

 

[ECS]

That is quite a forced fact list to fit a pet theory, everything from Petter Amundsen to Marie Bauer Hall to Graham S Phillips who created the legend that British Templar benefactor, Ralph de Suderely who did discover Maccabean treasure at Jebel al Madhbah while on Crusade in the 1180's, MAY have found the ARK OF THE COVENANT and brought it back to England.
Other claims made by Phillips, the founding editor of STRANGE PHENOMENA magazine include that a Roman ruin in Britain was the historical Camelot and the location of legendary King Arthur's grave, an Egyptian staff in a British museum is the Staff of Moses, a small stone cup is the Holy Grail, and a grave on the British island of Anglesey, is the tomb of the Virgin Mary.
Not a reliable source of factual information.

The 1192 FEET OF FINES of England, records of taxable land and property, written in French, mentions certain "objets sacres", Holy relic brought back from the Crusades by Ralph de Sudeley housed in his chapel at Herdewyke, but there in NO mention of the ARK OF THE COVENANT in the tax book, nor mention of it at Herdewyke in any contemporary documents.
What is mentioned is that de Sudeley charged pilgrims to his chapel a fee to view these "objets sacres" which became a profit generating business.

 

[ECS]

... Learn about Herdewke and Ralph de Sudeley and his sons. Especially the one called "Atoul" which is "Atwell"...

Is someone now claiming to be a descendant?

 

[Dave Rishar]

No I do not think so. It can not be recovered and I do not know what would happen if someone tried to steal it?

You seem quite sure that it can't be recovered. You might be surprised.

It will be revealed when God is ready to do so. I think it best to leave it where it is. I am going to visit the area just to see if I can feel the Ark's presence or I should say God's Presence.

If you do feel something, how will you know whether you're feeling the Ark, or simply feeling your cognitive bias? I ask because if you're sure that it's there, then it's there as far as your mind is concerned. I will be very surprised if you don't feel something, whether or not it's there.

The superstitions of man has hidden the Ark of the Covenant of God for over 400 years.

One could make the argument that the superstitions of man created the Ark of the Covenant in the first place.

 

[franklin]

Is someone now claiming to be a descendant?

No, not really. I know why he named his son that name and it is not because of being a relative. It had something to do with the killing of the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury.

 

[ECS]

... I know why he named his son that name and it is not because of being a relative. It had something to do with the killing of the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury.

Ralph de Sudeley named his son, Otuel.
Ralph de Sudeley's bother, William took the last name of their mother, Grace de Tracey, and was one of the four Knights of Henry II who murdered Thomas 'a Becket in the Canterbury Cathedral.
No Templars or Rosicrucians involved, but Pope Alexander did excommunicate all four Knights, which also included Richard le Breton, Reginald Fitzurse, and Hugh de Morville.

None of this is connected to Oak Island, or the Ark of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail, unless there are "hidden ciphers" in Chaucer's "Canterbury Tails" or in the Magna Carta that Henry II's son King John was forced to sign, or does it involve Robin Hood and his Merry Men in Sherwood Forest?

 

[ECS]

...
There are a whole bunch of avenues that will lead one to where the Ark of the Covenant of God is located...
Do all of this in reverse and add another 99 items to read and learn.
Then...

...do the hokie pokie and turn yourself around, that's what its all about!

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Is it on Oak Island?

This unrelated nonsense is getting O-L-D (descending Fibonacci sequence of letters from Oak Island).

 

[ECS]

... Hidden secrets are hidden from those that have a closed mind.
There are secrets on top of secrets I could reveal to the World but no one wants or even cares to hear them.
It would do me no good to reveal these secrets... so you know what I will keep them to myself, document them and one day someone may have the ability to understand them. But you would never understand...

It may being getting "old" Charlie P. (NY), but it seems only one person knows and understands all the hidden secrets of the Templar treasure at Oak Island that was retrieved by our "Founding Fathers" before the Revolution and it is all revealed in a cipher encoded in the Declaration of Independence because the DOI is an American Rosicrucian document they we will never understand.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Yeah. And tomorrow if he was hit by a bus we'd all be no closer or no further from finding out what is, is not, or was on Oak Island.

 

[gazzahk]

Yeah. And tomorrow if he was hit by a bus we'd all be no closer or no further from finding out what is, is not, or was on Oak Island.

As to what is on Oak Island... I would propose that it has been well established that no treasure is buried in the money pit. If there was the pattern drilling would of shown evidence of it.. Therefore any further search efforts are just a waste of time and money if they are aimed at finding evidence in the pit..

As to what is not...Well this list is infinite really. I would put at top - Arc of Covenant and Shakespeare's manuscripts. Then you could add any other significant treasure that has been speculated to possibly have been buried there to the list.

As to what was... This is the difficult one to answer. It may be the case that the original guys that started the legend did find some treasure. It may be that Sam Ball found some treasure. It may be others have found and removed some treasure from Oak Island. I do not see how this can ever be answered. Still I would be pretty confident that no one has removed the Arc or Shakespeare's manuscripts form the island.....

When I was studying marketing during my MBA I come across the 'number one rule' of marketing according to some expert (do not remember who it was).

That people will believe any lie for one of two reasons.

1. They want it to be true or 2. They are afraid that it may be true...

This is also in my view is why some people believe all the wacko theories about Oak Island with no evidence...

 

[lokiblossom]

The superstitions of man has hidden the Ark of the Covenant of God for over 400 years. Those superstitions are hard to overcome in one's own belief. But once you can overcome those superstitions then the doors open up.

According to my math the 'Ark of the Covenant' has been missing for over 2600 years!

Cheers, Loki

 

[franklin]

What is that about two and half days in God's Time.

 

[lokiblossom]

What is that about two and half days in God's Time.

I think most references indicate a day for a year, such as Ezekiel 4:33,34 and Numbers 14:33,34 for a couple. But I was referring to your use of a literal 400 years.
Cheers, loki

 

[franklin]

I think most references indicate a day for a year, such as Ezekiel 4:33,34 and Numbers 14:33,34 for a couple. But I was referring to your use of a literal 400 years.
Cheers, loki

lokiblossom, The 400 years was in reference to the 1611 KJV.

 

[lokiblossom]

lokiblossom, The 400 years was in reference to the 1611 KJV.

Can you explain where the KJV would mention the Ark of the Covenant being hidden for the last 400 years?
Cheers, Loki

 

[Rebel - KGC]

What is that about two and half days in God's Time.

LOL! GOD'S Time is the ETERNAL NOW! Check it out...