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[dieselram94]

LIBERALS, LIBERALS, LIBERALS! Founding Fathers were LIBERALS according to the Royal Government (aka BRITS).

If you say it more than three times your playing with it!!!!LOL!

 

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[dieselram94]

LIBERALS, LIBERALS, LIBERALS! Founding Fathers were LIBERALS according to the Royal Government (aka BRITS).

Source?

 

[Red James Cash]

Yes rebel, the liberals.....what would you call them?

How about communists without any common sense?

 

[0121stockpicker]

Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[3][4][5][6][7]

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The early liberal thinker John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property[8] and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with democracy and/or republicanism and the rule of law.

The revolutionaries in the American Revolution, the French Revolution and other liberal revolutions from that time used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of what they saw as tyrannical rule. The nineteenth century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Spanish America, and North America.[9] In this period, the dominant ideological opponent of liberalism was classical conservatism.

 

[dieselram94]

How about communists without any common sense?

Very good point Red!

 

[0121stockpicker]

Throwing around "liberal" as an "insult" is generally just a sign that someone listens to a little too much Rush, etc. and generally not a sign of someone who is educated in political history.

Liberal = liberty > maybe you missed the connection.

I would assume you are not opposed to the ideas of personal liberty and want to go back to monarchical rule?? Maybe?

 

[dieselram94]

How about communists without any common sense?

Like Van Jones!!!!

 

[Red James Cash]

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. -Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

 

[dieselram94]

Socialism = greedy, lazy people wanting the fruits of someone else's hard work.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Socialism = greedy, lazy people wanting the fruits of someone else's hard work.

In case you've been asleep for the last seventy years or so we have been living in a socialist country since FDR. Or did you overlook those little line items like SOCIAL security and Medicare, etc which along with interest payments make up the largest portion of our yearly budget. Best.

 

[dieselram94]

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. -Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

That explains obamacare.....

 

[0121stockpicker]

Or the bush drug giveaway to seniors. Politicians on both sides buying votes. Reps and dems both doing it.

 

[dieselram94]

Socialism = greedy, lazy people wanting the fruits of someone else's hard work.

welfare recipients are good examples.....

 

[0121stockpicker]

And so is anyone taking a social security check, Medicare or Medicaid, etc. they are all part of our huge social safety net system which is costing younger high earning tax payers like myself a fortune and yet ill never see a penny of it.

 

[Sackett]

And so is anyone taking a social security check, Medicare or Medicaid, etc. they are all part of our huge social safety net system which is costing younger high earning tax payers like myself a fortune and yet ill never see a penny of it.

Now as I just read above you are well versed in definitions, however you put medicare and medicaid as the same. clearly they are not! I am one of the ones who receive Social Security benifits as I was a police officer was injuried in the line of duty! Now let me make it clear I WAS FORCED BY LAW TO PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY! Therefore when I can no longer work because I was PROTECTING YOU, well yes I'm due to receive BACK what I paid! Now for Medicare, yes I receive it, BUT I have to PAY FOR IT with options to have hospital or doctor or drug coverage or any of the above, but I pay! Now for MEDICAID it is given to people who have NEVER worked enough to receive Social Security and therefore medicare, and guess what....MEDICAID IS FREE!!!! DOCTOR, HOSPITAL, AND DRUGS ARE FREE!!! Then there is SSI, what is that you ask,,,well it is for the people who have NOT WORKED enough in their pitiful lives to receive SS, so the gov. gives them money from SS!!!It really ticks me off when people lump the two very different programs together...It's kinda like saying winter and summer are the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Sackett thank you for your service and you have earned every cent.....

I have been paying into SS for 51 years now, started working when I was 13 at a plant nursery laying sod for .50 cents an hour.

I would be more than happy to take out my contribution i paid in plus interest compounded for the last 51 years

 

[Crispin]

Sackett thank you for your service and you have earned every cent.....

I have been paying into SS for 51 years now, started working when I was 13 at a plant nursery laying sod for .50 cents an hour.

I would be more than happy to take out my contribution i paid in plus interest compounded for the last 51 years

At least you have a chance of getting some of yours back...I'll never see a penny of mine.

 

[0121stockpicker]

And I'll never see a penny of mine. Your entitlements have bankrupted this country. Funny how we all hate gov spending and programs unless we are directly benefiting. Then we feel like it is an entitlement. And we got the AARP to make sure we keep putting ourselves more and more into debt and not deal with the problem.

Funny how all of a sudden a so called conservative can sound like a big gov social program person when it's their money on the line. If you want gov out of our lives stop taking those checks.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Now as I just read above you are well versed in definitions, however you put medicare and medicaid as the same. clearly they are not! I am one of the ones who receive Social Security benifits as I was a police officer was injuried in the line of duty! Now let me make it clear I WAS FORCED BY LAW TO PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY! Therefore when I can no longer work because I was PROTECTING YOU, well yes I'm due to receive BACK what I paid! Now for Medicare, yes I receive it, BUT I have to PAY FOR IT with options to have hospital or doctor or drug coverage or any of the above, but I pay! Now for MEDICAID it is given to people who have NEVER worked enough to receive Social Security and therefore medicare, and guess what....MEDICAID IS FREE!!!! DOCTOR, HOSPITAL, AND DRUGS ARE FREE!!! Then there is SSI, what is that you ask,,,well it is for the people who have NOT WORKED enough in their pitiful lives to receive SS, so the gov. gives them money from SS!!!It really ticks me off when people lump the two very different programs together...It's kinda like saying winter and summer are the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Treasure hunter tells me that the police DO NOT protect people - their only legal duty is to solve crime. Now I don't believe that but it comes straight from TH's mouth so I have yo believe that it is the truth. Maybe someone can clarify?

 

[0121stockpicker]

Social security and Medicare are the two biggest SOCIALIST programs in the entire world for all you free marketeers. And many of you are taking full advantage and then some. So quit all the whining as it will be my generation and later ones that are going to be paying off the debts the country has run up because of your low taxes and lavish spending programs. And I'll likely see not a penny of all the SS and Medicare that I've thrown away into the system. I'm paying for you right now. Sleep tight.