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[lokiblossom]

The "Order of Sion" was founded in Jerusalem after the 1st crusade and by the 12th century had Abbeys on Mount Sion in Jerusalem and Mount Carmel in Calabria!

The Underground Stream gained an Arcadia connection as the river Alpheius which allegedly flowed underground to rise into the Well Arethusa in Sicily. There is a legend of a cup that was thrown into the river at Olympia and was discharged into the Fountain which became discolored by the blood of sacrificed oxen! King, Rene de Anjou, (Good King Rene) one of the alleged priory of Sion GMs depicted the Underground Stream flowing from a tombstone in his Les Coeur d'Amours Espris!

Cheers, Loki

 

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[Al D]

That "underground Stream" maybe how that coconut coir got to Oak Island from the Middle East.

I am sure that project FAMOUS, proved not only that Atlantis was not West of the Azores, but that there is no “Underground Stream” leading to Oak Island, or anywhere else for that matter.

 

[ECS]

The "Order of Sion" was founded in Jerusalem after the 1st crusade and by the 12th century had Abbeys on Mount Sion in Jerusalem and Mount Carmel in Calabria!

The Underground Stream gained an Arcadia connection as the river Alpheius which allegedly flowed underground to rise into the Well Arethusa in Sicily. There is a legend of a cup that was thrown into the river at Olympia and was discharged into the Fountain which became discolored by the blood of sacrificed oxen! King, Rene de Anjou, (Good King Rene) one of the alleged priory of Sion GMs depicted the Underground Stream flowing from a tombstone in his Les Coeur d'Amours Espris!

The Order of Sion was established under a Papal Bull in the 12th century, but it is NOT the Priory of Sion.
Another example on how an actual historical fact can been blended into fabricated fictional history.
Since the Priory of Sion has been revealed and declared a HOAX created by Pierre Plantard, what is and by whom is the source of your statement that this "secret society" was formed in Jerusalem after the First Crusade or were just alluding that the Order of Sion and Priory of Sion were connected?
Hopefully it is not Gerard de Sede's "THE GOLD OF RENNES" or "THE ACCURSED TREASURE OF RENNES CASTLE"".
You are aware the Abbeys on Mount Sion (Zion) were destroyed after the Crusaders , including the Knights Templar, departed Jerusalem, and were not restored until the 19th century.

You do understand the words "allegedly", alleged", and "legend" are not synonymous with the words "fact", true", "proof", or "evidence".
Legend, lore, myth, and tales are in no way a credible source of historical fact, but have been utilized over and over again to create these pseudo historical parodies by questionable quasi "historian" authors that are short on fact and long a fill in the blanks fiction.

 

[lokiblossom]

The Order of Sion was established under a Papal Bull in the 12th century, but it is NOT the Priory of Sion.
Another example on how an actual historical fact can been blended into fabricated fictional history.
Since the Priory of Sion has been revealed and declared a HOAX created by Pierre Plantard, what is and by whom is the source of your statement that this "secret society" was formed in Jerusalem after the First Crusade or were just alluding that the Order of Sion and Priory of Sion were connected?
Hopefully it is not Gerard de Sede's "THE GOLD OF RENNES" or "THE ACCURSED TREASURE OF RENNES CASTLE"".
You are aware the Abbeys on Mount Sion (Zion) were destroyed after the Crusaders , including the Knights Templar, departed Jerusalem, and were not restored until the 19th century.

You do understand the words "allegedly", alleged", and "legend" are not synonymous with the words "fact", true", "proof", or "evidence".
Legend, lore, myth, and tales are in no way a credible source of historical fact, but have been utilized over and over again to create these pseudo historical parodies by questionable quasi "historian" authors that are short on fact and long a fill in the blanks fiction.

The Priory of Sion is a fictitious name, I was merely answering your statement that neither it nor the Underground Stream (which is not fictitious btw) existed before HBHG!

Another old fact that was brought up in HBHG is that in the 13th century the Knights Templar were known as the keepers of the Grail!

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

"Another old fact", Loki, or another old wife's tale?
If it is indeed "fact", where is the documentation that confirms this as fact?

If this "Underground Stream" is NOT fictitious, where is the documented evidence that it was or is real?
Is this your alleged chain of connection between the "hidden messages" on the works of Poussin, Teniers, and Scheemaker's design on the Shugborough Monument?

At least you are confirming that much of your "facts" are from that pseudo history, "HOLY BLOOD,HOLY GRAIL" by quasi historian authors Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln, and NOT from the "well respected Templar historians" you name drop.

 

[lokiblossom]

"Another old fact", Loki, or another old wife's tale?
If it is indeed "fact", where is the documentation that confirms this as fact?

If this "Underground Stream" is NOT fictitious, where is the documented evidence that it was or is real?
Is this your alleged chain of connection between the "hidden messages" on the works of Poussin, Teniers, and Scheemaker's design on the Shugborough Monument?

At least you are confirming that much of your "facts" are from that pseudo history, "HOLY BLOOD,HOLY GRAIL" by quasi historian authors Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln, and NOT from the "well respected Templar historians" you name drop.

Very few of my "facts" come from HBHG, but what those authors did do was open minds to a possibility that had only been imagined by many. Have you read the book or do you listen to the other voices? One fact is certain, the amount of research they did in a period before Al Gores internet is phenomenal, of course if you hadn't actually read it you couldn't possibly know that.

The Priory as a large organization may be fictitious, but most of the names on the list are not. Remember Jean Cocteau's Rosy Cross?

Btw, in no way did HBHG imagine the Holy Grail being in Nova Scotia, just in case you are trying to blame that on them.

Cheers, Loki

 

[franklin]

Very few of my "facts" come from HBHG, but what those authors did do was open minds to a possibility that had only been imagined by many. Have you read the book or do you listen to the other voices? One fact is certain, the amount of research they did in a period before Al Gores internet is phenomenal, of course if you hadn't actually read it you couldn't possibly know that.

The Priory as a large organization may be fictitious, but most of the names on the list are not. Remember Jean Cocteau's Rosy Cross?

Btw, in no way did HBHG imagine the Holy Grail being in Nova Scotia, just in case you are trying to blame that on them.

Cheers, Loki

Add the letters in English gematria for "Rosy" "Cross" what do you have? Christ Jesus

 

[ECS]

Yes, Loki, I have read "HOLY BLOOD,HOLIY GRAIL" as well as Laurence Gardner's "BLOODLINE OF THE HOLY GRAIL", and "GENSIS OF THE GRAIL KINGS", some more of your so called "phenomenal research" that "open minds to a possibility that had only been imagined".
Indeed, "imagined" is the key word that describes all their "phenomenal research" that turns a minor fact that is unrelated to the subject into major fiction to sell a pet theory to the unwary reader.
Very few of your "facts" are actually factual being fabrications of mere legend, myth, lore, and pure speculation.

 

[Real of Tayopa]

the Azores was the south end of the islands of Atlantis Atlantis proper was on the rim of a gigantic caldera off of the coast of Spain When the subduction occured The Azores were the pivot of the plate subduction

 

[franklin]

Yes, Loki, I have read "HOLY BLOOD,HOLIY GRAIL" as well as Laurence Gardner's "BLOODLINE OF THE HOLY GRAIL", and "GENSIS OF THE GRAIL KINGS", some more of your so called "phenomenal research" that "open minds to a possibility that had only been imagined".
Indeed, "imagined" is the key word that describes all their "phenomenal research" that turns a minor fact that is unrelated to the subject into major fiction to sell a pet theory to the unwary reader.
Very few of your "facts" are actually factual being fabrications of mere legend, myth, lore, and pure speculation.

Did you find any facts at all in those books or did you just scoff them off as you read. Did you do any fact checking? If you went to Church you would want a preacher to keep quoting chapter and verse it gets redundant.

 

[ECS]

...
The Priory as a large organization may be fictitious, but most of the names on the list are not. Remember Jean Cocteau's Rosy Cross? ...

...and Pierre Plantard was also on that Grandmaster of the Priory of Sion list...anyone can fabricate a list with the names of actual people, does not make the list any more real or credible.

 

[ECS]

Did you find any facts at all in those books or did you just scoff them off as you read. Did you do any fact checking?

Franklin, you know for a fact that I fact check with all that Beale misinformation of yours I corrected.

 

[ECS]

There were traveling messenger Knight Templars. You think they did not communicate with each other? Man you think people were isolated especially the ones in the know...

What about English Templar Knight, Sir Ralph de Sudeley who claimed to have brought holy relics back from Jerusalem, including the Ark of the Covenant?
de Sudeley built a chapel on hos property and charged pilgrims a fee to view these relics.
The 1192 FEET OF FINES, records of land and property holdings written in Norman French, mention certain "objects sacres" housed in his Herdewyke chapel, but no mention of the Ark.
There also is a legend that de Sudeley sailed to North America on a secret mission to hide some religious documents, but with most Templar legends, there is no documented evidence that this ever happened.

 

[franklin]

What about English Templar Knight, Sir Ralph de Sudeley who claimed to have brought holy relics back from Jerusalem, including the Ark of the Covenant?
de Sudeley built a chapel on hos property and charged pilgrims a fee to view these relics.
The 1192 FEET OF FINES, records of land and property holdings written in Norman French, mention certain "objects sacres" housed in his Herdewyke chapel, but no mention of the Ark.
There also is a legend that de Sudeley sailed to North America on a secret mission to hide some religious documents, but with most Templar legends, there is no documented evidence that this ever happened.

Did you also read in that 1192 FEET OF FINES about the gold box the size of trunk with two objects on the top. Do you know of any box other than the Ark of God made like that? The story is true whether you believe it or not. Also have you read the book of Maccabees 2 where Jeremiah hid the Ark of God and Holy Relics in Mount Sinai.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

ECS...? LOL! He KNOWS the BIBLE is NOT true, you know. NOT many FACTS documented... LOTS of "ruins"; etc. GREAT for the RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, etc.!

 

[lokiblossom]

What about English Templar Knight, Sir Ralph de Sudeley who claimed to have brought holy relics back from Jerusalem, including the Ark of the Covenant?
de Sudeley built a chapel on hos property and charged pilgrims a fee to view these relics.
The 1192 FEET OF FINES, records of land and property holdings written in Norman French, mention certain "objects sacres" housed in his Herdewyke chapel, but no mention of the Ark.
There also is a legend that de Sudeley sailed to North America on a secret mission to hide some religious documents, but with most Templar legends, there is no documented evidence that this ever happened.

And there were the Templars that road into battle with a piece of the True Cross and the Shroud of Turin and so on! But the Grail is a different animal (so-to-speak), and its in Nova Scotia!

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

Did you also read in that 1192 FEET OF FINES about the gold box the size of trunk with two objects on the top. Do you know of any box other than the Ark of God made like that? The story is true whether you believe it or not. Also have you read the book of Maccabees 2 where Jeremiah hid the Ark of God and Holy Relics in Mount Sinai.

The 1192 FEET OF FINES does not list nor give a description of de Sudeley's Holy relics, which you would have known if you had actually read it.
The Egyptian chronicler, Numairi, wrote 120 years after the Templar discovery on a sealed cave at Jebel Madhbad, that the Templars found" treasures of pure gold, precious stones, and a golden chest", but gave NO reference to the ARK.

 

[ECS]

ECS...? LOL! He KNOWS the BIBLE is NOT true, you know. NOT many FACTS documented... LOTS of "ruins"; etc. GREAT for the RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, etc.!

...and your intent with this post?
Casting stones while you have a beam in thine eye?
A remark rather unbecoming from you, don't you think?

 

[ECS]

And there were the Templars that road into battle with a piece of the True Cross and the Shroud of Turin and so on! But the Grail is a different animal (so-to-speak), and its in Nova Scotia!

Selling pieces of the True Cross and other "Holy relic" items, as well as body parts of the Saints was big business in the Middle Ages, but that does not provide any evidence that Grail was found or that it was carried to Nova Scotia.

 

[franklin]

ECS...? LOL! He KNOWS the BIBLE is NOT true, you know. NOT many FACTS documented... LOTS of "ruins"; etc. GREAT for the RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, etc.!

I believe ECS knows everything is not true and we do not exist not enough documented facts.