new show on the dutchman

[Azquester]

Bill Riley,
In all honesty, no.
Personally, it's not a path that I would have taken.

Sorry Hal, I got carried away.

Sometimes I just get a bit Ornery.

I'll try and keep it on que.

 

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[Hal Croves]

Wrmickel1

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I missed that post. Who was the intended recipient this time? I for one still stand behind Wrmicel1's write to express himself openly.

 

[i am the horse]

Hal,

I can tell you that the show was not pitched as a fantasyfest. Not to me or anybody involved (as far as I know). I knew there would be a lot of poetic license taken, but I can tell you I don't think Wayne nor Frank knew how it would wind up in the editing room.

Mike

cmon now gollum.... didnt you see the excitement on their faces when they found the cross in the cave??you cant call that a fantasyfest. i personally would of been walking around in circles talking to myself about how awesome of a find... but hey, they are experienced dutch/gold/treasure hunters.. they probably run across stuff like that all the time..and now they have it on tv.. national television... totally awesome find on the show!!!!i dont know whats worse,finding something alone or "finding" something on national television
i still get a chuckle thinking about when they approached the 3 dudes with the pictures of the black hand prints and the medicine wheel.the looks on their faces said it all.i read their faces as " you gotta be ------- kidding me...rotflmao... i bet if ya flipped one of those rocks over it would have said "made in china".. to funnyy

 

[wrmickel1]

I missed that post. Who was the intended recipient this time? I for one still stand behind Wrmicel1's write to express himself openly.

You Hal

It was a comment your friends father made, And maybe you should have taken him instead of the boy. And that you are hurt by the show. As humans we all live in are little bubble and assume people in other area's are like what we see on TV, I think its pretty cool the Sarg and others can make a few bucks and keep doing what they love to do in the off season. We all grab are blankets and swaddle ourselves in what we believe!

Wrmickel1

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I missed that post. Who was the intended recipient this time? I for one still stand behind Wrmicel1's write to express himself openly.

Not when it violates our rules.....Our rules are here for a reason. If it continues there will be consequences....

 

[copperpot]

You Hal

It was a comment your friends father made, And maybe you should have taken him instead of the boy. And that you are hurt by the show. As humans we all live in are little bubble and assume people in other area's are like what we see on TV, I think its pretty cool the Sarg and others can make a few bucks and keep doing what they love to do in the off season. We all grab are blankets and swaddle ourselves in what we believe!

Wrmickel1

Yeah I read it before it was deleted. It was funny.

 

[Hal Croves]

You Hal

It was a comment your friends father made, And maybe you should have taken him instead of the boy. And that you are hurt by the show. As humans we all live in are little bubble and assume people in other area's are like what we see on TV, I think its pretty cool the Sarg and others can make a few bucks and keep doing what they love to do in the off season. We all grab are blankets and swaddle ourselves in what we believe!

Wrmickel1

I am not sure why his comment would bother you. It may be representative of the impression most viewers came away with. Those with no insight into the true history of the SWA. In this case, it's would be irresponsible to take someone in his condition where we, his son and I, went. In fact, I don't know many people who could make that climb.


Hurt by the show? Well, perhaps I should have written, hurt by the comment which, was a reaction to his having seen the show. Better?


I don't know how to respond to your "little bubble and blanket" comments as they are difficult to make any sense of.


Wrmickel, what I am concerned about with your sometimes emotional posts, is your apparent need to bring the conversation around to the cast. That is a little strange in my opinion, especially since I congratulated them for their effort and directed my criticism to the production company. Like a publisher, a production company is, IMO, responsible for the final product. In this case, a quick look at their portfolio will tell you that their work represents all that is wrong with reality programming. Personally, I think that they (GGLE) are parasites.


Frank is obviously your friend and it is commendable to want to defend him. However, don't you see that every time you bring the conversation back to him, that you only drag him deeper into the spotlight of controversy? That's what I find puzzling.


About making a few bucks... All I can say is that I hope it was well worth it.


PS. Misrepresenting the truth is never a good thing and I suspect that GGLE intentionally did quite a bit of it. If you need that door opened for you, ask and I will post a very detailed personal critique of the series. Episode by episode. One deception after the other.

 

[Hal Croves]

Yeah I read it before it was deleted. It was funny.

I like funny. I am sorry that I missed it. : (

 

[Hal Croves]

Not when it violates our rules.....Our rules are here for a reason. If it continues there will be consequences....

It's your playground.

 

[Old]

I just don't get it. What part of "its a TV show" are you all not getting. Its not a documentary, doesn't claim to be one and carries the below disclaimer on its site, and I would suspect also carries this line in its credit roll. The red parts are Webster's definitions, elementary school edition.

Trust (reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something) at your own peril (exposure to the risk of being injured, destroyed, or lost) if you dare to tread into HISTORY’s Legend of the Superstition Mountains.

I've seen docu-dramas, filmed here in my own State that are advertised as "based on factual events" that had just as many fabrications as Legends does. Should I wage a moral campaign against a TV show or is my time better spent working with the Virginia Tourism Office to bring forward the more authentic aspects of Virginia history? The good, the bad and the really ugly.

There are true aspects to the Legends show, weaved into dramatization and downright fabrication all for entertainment. One would have to be of the most naïve sort to not know and expect that when you tune in.

Isn't it true that remnants of prayer wheels have been discovered in the mountains, that caves with artifacts have been discovered, some very ancient. That arrow heads and other artifacts can be found. That LOTS of people have died and some have been killed under suspicious circumstances? How many amateur videos have you seen of hiking or prospecting in the Superstitions where gun fire, heavy gun fire, can be heard in the background. I certainly have seen quite a few. If you plan to hike in that area you need to know its not beyond possibility that you might be down range and need to be mindful of it. And even occasionally hit the dirt.

I've seen more than a few far fetched ideas thrown out on this forum as absolute truths. Some so far fetched they'd easily get you a green paper warrant to the local mental facility for a few days observation. They are interesting to hear but I wouldn't bet the farm on them. The History Channel has no lock on far fetched drama. Its rampant in any discussion of the LDM saga.

Let it go. Its a TV show. Your remote control has a channel changing option. Use it if this show disturbs you.

Rant over.......as you were.

Lynda

 

[azdave35]

I just don't get it. What part of "its a TV show" are you all not getting. Its not a documentary, doesn't claim to be one and carries the below disclaimer on its site, and I would suspect also carries this line in its credit roll. The red parts are Webster's definitions, elementary school edition.

Trust (reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something) at your own peril (exposure to the risk of being injured, destroyed, or lost) if you dare to tread into HISTORY’s Legend of the Superstition Mountains.

I've seen docu-dramas, filmed here in my own State that are advertised as "based on factual events" that had just as many fabrications as Legends does. Should I wage a moral campaign against a TV show or is my time better spent working with the Virginia Tourism Office to bring forward the more authentic aspects of Virginia history? The good, the bad and the really ugly.

There are true aspects to the Legends show, weaved into dramatization and downright fabrication all for entertainment. One would have to be of the most naïve sort to not know and expect that when you tune in.

Isn't it true that remnants of prayer wheels have been discovered in the mountains, that caves with artifacts have been discovered, some very ancient. That arrow heads and other artifacts can be found. That LOTS of people have died and some have been killed under suspicious circumstances? How many amateur videos have you seen of hiking or prospecting in the Superstitions where gun fire, heavy gun fire, can be heard in the background. I certainly have seen quite a few. If you plan to hike in that area you need to know its not beyond possibility that you might be down range and need to be mindful of it. And even occasionally hit the dirt.

I've seen more than a few far fetched ideas thrown out on this forum as absolute truths. Some so far fetched they'd easily get you a green paper warrant to the local mental facility for a few days observation. They are interesting to hear but I wouldn't bet the farm on them. The History Channel has no lock on far fetched drama. Its rampant in any discussion of the LDM saga.

Let it go. Its a TV show. Your remote control has a channel changing option. Use it if this show disturbs you.

Rant over.......as you were.

Lynda

who asked you?..last i heard its a free country

 

[azblackbird]

I like funny. I am sorry that I missed it. : (

Here, I'll re-cap what he said. Basically he stated there are many people back east who live in a bubble when it comes to the reality of what happens out west here. He said more or less some people back east still believe the west is all about Cowboys and Indians, which was a slight dig on your friend who lambasted you for "endangering" his kid when you showed him a good time by taking him hiking and exploring in the AZ hills. Bottom line... he said your friend might want to refrain from watching Arizona based fantasy gold and treasure TV shows, and maybe experience a little bit of reality for himself and join you the next time you go for a walkabout in the AZ hills. That's the gist...

 

[wrmickel1]

Just got done watching "ICE COLD GOLD" its about finding gold in Greenland and mine it themselves or sell the rights to others.
But it stars Gator Schoose and Jessie Feldman a couple names you'll find in AZ and the Dutchman lore. I don't know about that big old cowboy hat in Greenland.

Wrmickel1. Ohh and Josh Feldman

 

[Hal Croves]

I just don't get it. What part of "its a TV show" are you all not getting. Its not a documentary, doesn't claim to be one and carries the below disclaimer on its site, and I would suspect also carries this line in its credit roll. The red parts are Webster's definitions, elementary school edition.

Trust (reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something) at your own peril (exposure to the risk of being injured, destroyed, or lost) if you dare to tread into HISTORY’s Legend of the Superstition Mountains.

I've seen docu-dramas, filmed here in my own State that are advertised as "based on factual events" that had just as many fabrications as Legends does. Should I wage a moral campaign against a TV show or is my time better spent working with the Virginia Tourism Office to bring forward the more authentic aspects of Virginia history? The good, the bad and the really ugly.

There are true aspects to the Legends show, weaved into dramatization and downright fabrication all for entertainment. One would have to be of the most naïve sort to not know and expect that when you tune in.

Isn't it true that remnants of prayer wheels have been discovered in the mountains, that caves with artifacts have been discovered, some very ancient. That arrow heads and other artifacts can be found. That LOTS of people have died and some have been killed under suspicious circumstances? How many amateur videos have you seen of hiking or prospecting in the Superstitions where gun fire, heavy gun fire, can be heard in the background. I certainly have seen quite a few. If you plan to hike in that area you need to know its not beyond possibility that you might be down range and need to be mindful of it. And even occasionally hit the dirt.

I've seen more than a few far fetched ideas thrown out on this forum as absolute truths. Some so far fetched they'd easily get you a green paper warrant to the local mental facility for a few days observation. They are interesting to hear but I wouldn't bet the farm on them. The History Channel has no lock on far fetched drama. Its rampant in any discussion of the LDM saga.

Let it go. Its a TV show. Your remote control has a channel changing option. Use it if this show disturbs you.

Rant over.......as you were.

Lynda

Lynda,
Fortunately for us, your rants are well written. This thread is about the "show". It is a place to rant, rave, debate, and defend ideas. Your keyboard and mouse also make it possible for you to change threads. Perhaps you should use them if you find the conversation disturbing.

I have seen many armed people going in and coming out of the range. Not once in my travels have I ever had to "hit the dirt" much less heard a single gunshot. Then again, I tend to travel off the beaten path. Did you come to this conclusion from watching videos or have you had the privilege of exploring the SWA yourself? If not, it seems kind of naive to base your experience on "amateur video".

There are many, many successful TV shows that manage decent ratings without the need for, what did you write "down right fabrication".

It is what it is and IMO, that's not very much. The show that is.

 

[wrmickel1]

I agree with Blackbird with a touch of lambasting

Wrmickel1

 

[Hal Croves]

Here, I'll re-cap what he said. Basically he stated there are many people back east who live in a bubble when it comes to the reality of what happens out west here. He said more or less some people back east still believe the west is all about Cowboys and Indians, which was a slight dig on your friend who lambasted you for "endangering" his kid when you showed him a good time by taking him hiking and exploring in the AZ hills. Bottom line... he said your friend might want to refrain from watching Arizona based fantasy gold and treasure TV shows, and maybe experience a little bit of reality for himself and join you the next time you go for a walkabout in the AZ hills. That's the gist...

Thanks for the recap. Kinda hard to fault all those naive easterners when they are intentionally fed a diet of nonsense. TV is still a powerful medium. I think that he was correct in that people like my friend should refrain from watching the series.

Thank you for the help.

 

[Oregon Viking]

Nice pics! Of course, you are doing a little prospecting while you are up there.....

 

[RMG1976]

Nice pics! Of course, you are doing a little prospecting while you are up there.....

I had my first prospecting lesson (in the non-wilderness area) from another member here. It was a lot of fun.

The only thing I found were old bullet casings and a can of sardines - but regardless, I had a blast!


I don't believe you are allowed to prospect in the wilderness area - somehiker / deducer would know for sure though!

 

[azblackbird]

I don't believe you are allowed to prospect in the wilderness area

Yes... contrary to what some misinformed FS personnel might tell you, you are allowed by law to prospect in a wilderness area.

 

[Oregon Viking]

In your video thread you were next to a well traveled road I believe you said. Do you plan to venture a few miles in? Do a some repelling/rock climbing? Taking video and bringing your drone naturally....