new show on the dutchman

[UncleMatt]

As I surmised earlier in this thread, Frank is contractually obligated not to reveal certain aspects of what went on behind the scenes of the show. That is the norm for people appearing in such shows. So asking him to come clean about anything that might have been done, such as the medicine wheel or the black hands, is simply a waste of time. He has already stated the purpose of this show, so use your intellect and come to your own conclusions.

 

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[Island Maser]

Every year the old famous Dutch hunters gather to award the Treasure Hunter of the year. These are the fellows who opinion counts. They love the show. That's good enough for me. As far as negative comments. Hell I'm a retired cop. I heard it all over my 33 years. Fire away. Due to contractual issues I cannot respond nor would I bother anyway. Any time you have millions watching a show there will be some that have issues with it. To my friends thanks for the support. I found some nice gold locations while filming and we will be visiting them soon!

Love the show Frank. To bad it was so short this year with only 6 episodes. Can't wait for next season as this was the only thing good on TV Sunday nights. It is pulling the tourist into AJ and TF which is good for business. The show got me excited about getting out and checking things out. I have a friend I Jeep with who always takes home 4 for 5 buckets of dirt every time we go out wheeling. He marks the spots on his GPS in case he finds something good. He has a sluice box in his backyard that he runs the samples through. The show got me more interested myself just for the fun of it. Take care.
about prospecting and doing a little back country hun

 

[sgtfda]

Love the show Frank. To bad it was so short this year with only 6 episodes. Can't wait for next season as this was the only thing good on TV Sunday nights. It is pulling the tourist into AJ and TF which is good for business. The show got me excited about getting out and checking things out. I have a friend I Jeep with who always takes home 4 for 5 buckets of dirt every time we go out wheeling. He marks the spots on his GPS in case he finds something good. He has a sluice box in his backyard that he runs the samples through. The show got me more interested myself just for the fun of it. Take care.
about prospecting and doing a little back country hun

Thank you. I do exactly the same thing your friend does. No need to take long hikes into the volcano. Sections of the roads are full of gold. By testing with dirt buckets you will find that gold. I have and I'm now searching for the source. One test bucket with two scoops of dirt produced this
I might not be the best actor but I have a nose for gold and something smells good in this spot.

 

[RMG1976]

Update:

As promised to the forum, a few of us went out to the "Bat Cave" very early this AM. I went with the intention of scoping the place out, looking at the dimensions of the area to fly the drone into the cave, seeing if there would be a lot of "would-be" dutch-hunters out there thanks to the series, if the area looked overly dangerous, if there would be suspicious people, etc.

When we got there, I immediately noticed a gentleman wearing what looked like to be a "Bee-Keepers" suit, standing at the base of the cave. We introduced ourselves, talked to this guy a bit more to find out that he is a nature photographer that has a special interest in bats. I inquired about the legend of the mountains, Dutchman Lore, etc. He started laughing at me and said that he had heard of those rumors, but they didn't interest him.

He has been coming out to the cave and the general area for quite some time. He says he enjoys the tranquility of the area & enjoys photographing the wildlife (in particular, bats). I asked him if he has been up in the cave and he said that he had....many times. He said there are many caves within the mountains that have a lot of bats in them. I asked him if he could explain it to us, what it looks like inside, etc.

Prior to us going, I recorded parts of the episode on my phone, so I could use the geographical areas the actors and crew took to make it to the exact location. I played parts of the episode to this gentleman and he started laughing. What he told me is when "Eric" was up in the cave, that was most definitely a different cave all together. The caverns in the "bat cave" look NOTHING like what Eric was in for many reasons.

1 - the formation of the rocks inside the cave are totally different.

2- the colors of the rocks inside the cave are different

3- There are thousands upon thousands of bats inside that cave and in the 20+ times he has been up there, its nearly impossible not to be swarmed by bats. (there were no bats in the footage with eric in the cave, nor any sounds of bats flying around, nor did he mention any bats once he was in the cave - only outside of the cave)

4- He has been all around the caverns, and there is most definitely not any crosses, nor is the area clean enough to even see a cross as easily as Eric did, because bats have been occupying that cave for 100+ years, and its filthy.

5- He wears quite a bit of protective gear to ensure he doesn't get bitten by one of the bats, which he is convinced are full of diseases and rabies. Eric had on no protective gear, at all. (that we could see in the episode)


So - I want to issue a public apology to the folks that told me that have told me they have also been in the cave (somehiker & deducer in particular) that told me I would be wasting my time. You were right.

My curious mind just wanted to see for myself, and now I have.

I don't plan to go and fly a drone up there, nor do any sort of exploration in that area. While we can confirm that part of the series was shot at that cave, the footage inside the cave was 99.9% shot somewhere else entirely. (someone else told me that as well, apologies for not believing you)

I believed this gentleman, and given the quality of the camera gear he had, the passion he showed in explaining his love for his wildlife photography, his total dis-interet in dutchman lore or gold hunting, he wouldn't have any reason to mislead my group.

So once again - sorry for not believing you folks sooner. You were right.

 

[Cubfan64]

RMG1976 - You'll probably get a bunch of "I told you so's" here so I won't add mine to the list (hehe), but my hat is off to you for going out there like you said you were going to and then coming on here and telling us what you learned and apologizing. You have my respect for being a stand-up guy.

What great luck to have gone there when the fellow who had been up there many times was there to talk to you!! Saved you the trouble of flying an expensive drone up into a bat crap infested inferno of bats and possibly wrecking your equipment!

By the way, the you tube links to drone video from the Superstitions were excellent. I can definitely see where learning to use one well could be of great advantage for people wanting to explore areas of the mountains that are difficult or just time consuming to reach by foot. We've coined the term "Google Earthers" for those folks who have solved the stone maps using GE and we have the "boots on the ground" crowd - I wonder how long before we have some "droners" posting photos and videos of their solution to the maps .

 

[deducer]

No fault of yours, RMG. It was disingenuous of Go-Go Luckey to portray that particular area as having any kind of value, never mind a "Jesuit" one (don't get me started on that), and furthermore irresponsible of them to portray Eric (or his stunt double) going way up the ladder, giving other people the idea they can do the same without suffering repercussions, be it serious injuries, contracting histoplasmosis (from kicking up the guano), or rabies.

 

[Island Maser]

Thank you. I do exactly the same thing your friend does. No need to take long hikes into the volcano. Sections of the roads are full of gold. By testing with dirt buckets you will find that gold. I have and I'm now searching for the source. One test bucket with two scoops of dirt produced this View attachment 1132997
I might not be the best actor but I have a nose for gold and something smells good in this spot.

Wow that is very impressive. Better than the Hoffman crew on GR for an entire season in the jungle,lol.

 

[azdave35]

Update:

As promised to the forum, a few of us went out to the "Bat Cave" very early this AM. I went with the intention of scoping the place out, looking at the dimensions of the area to fly the drone into the cave, seeing if there would be a lot of "would-be" dutch-hunters out there thanks to the series, if the area looked overly dangerous, if there would be suspicious people, etc.

When we got there, I immediately noticed a gentleman wearing what looked like to be a "Bee-Keepers" suit, standing at the base of the cave. We introduced ourselves, talked to this guy a bit more to find out that he is a nature photographer that has a special interest in bats. I inquired about the legend of the mountains, Dutchman Lore, etc. He started laughing at me and said that he had heard of those rumors, but they didn't interest him.

He has been coming out to the cave and the general area for quite some time. He says he enjoys the tranquility of the area & enjoys photographing the wildlife (in particular, bats). I asked him if he has been up in the cave and he said that he had....many times. He said there are many caves within the mountains that have a lot of bats in them. I asked him if he could explain it to us, what it looks like inside, etc.

Prior to us going, I recorded parts of the episode on my phone, so I could use the geographical areas the actors and crew took to make it to the exact location. I played parts of the episode to this gentleman and he started laughing. What he told me is when "Eric" was up in the cave, that was most definitely a different cave all together. The caverns in the "bat cave" look NOTHING like what Eric was in for many reasons.

1 - the formation of the rocks inside the cave are totally different.

2- the colors of the rocks inside the cave are different

3- There are thousands upon thousands of bats inside that cave and in the 20+ times he has been up there, its nearly impossible not to be swarmed by bats. (there were no bats in the footage with eric in the cave, nor any sounds of bats flying around, nor did he mention any bats once he was in the cave - only outside of the cave)

4- He has been all around the caverns, and there is most definitely not any crosses, nor is the area clean enough to even see a cross as easily as Eric did, because bats have been occupying that cave for 100+ years, and its filthy.

5- He wears quite a bit of protective gear to ensure he doesn't get bitten by one of the bats, which he is convinced are full of diseases and rabies. Eric had on no protective gear, at all. (that we could see in the episode)


So - I want to issue a public apology to the folks that told me that have told me they have also been in the cave (somehiker in particular) that told me I would be wasting my time. You were right.

My curious mind just wanted to see for myself, and now I have.

I don't plan to go and fly a drone up there, nor do any sort of exploration in that area. While we can confirm that part of the series was shot at that cave, the footage inside the cave was 99.9% shot somewhere else entirely. (someone else told me that as well, apologies for not believing you)

I believed this gentleman, and given the quality of the camera gear he had, the passion he showed in explaining his love for his wildlife photography, his total dis-interet in dutchman lore or gold hunting, he wouldn't have any reason to mislead my group.

So once again - sorry for not believing you folks sooner. You were right.

lol..yep..we did try to tell you..that being said my hats off to you for doing what you said you were going to do...its not an easy task to get up there...if you want to go somewhere up there where you actually have a chance at finding something send me a p.m. and i'll clue you in

 

[sgtfda]

A few years ago somehiker told me about his trip to the bat cave. That was enough for me. I don't care if there is a thousand gold bars there. I've never been there and have no intention of ever going there. In this case I chose a boat ride. That's exactly what I did on episode 6. Eric the Deal did climb that ladder. I was shocked and on the edge of my seat watching the episode. That boy has balls!

 

[Hal Croves]

A few years ago somehiker told me about his trip to the bat cave. That was enough for me. I don't care if there is a thousand gold bars there. I've never been there and have no intention of ever going there. In this case I chose a boat ride. That's exactly what I did on episode 6. Eric the Deal did climb that ladder. I was shocked and on the edge of my seat watching the episode. That boy has balls!

Balls of gold I am told.

 

[ibjeepn]

It was just an opinion. Geez. I mean't no disrespect. I'll try to refrain and post only positive reviews.

 

[Hal Croves]

A few years ago somehiker told me about his trip to the bat cave. That was enough for me. I don't care if there is a thousand gold bars there. I've never been there and have no intention of ever going there. In this case I chose a boat ride. That's exactly what I did on episode 6. Eric the Deal did climb that ladder. I was shocked and on the edge of my seat watching the episode. That boy has balls!

Oh, what a tangled web we weave
When first we practise to deceive!

Frank, please. Stop. You a decent guy under all that nonsense. If Ryan got hurt simply trying to make a point that would crush you. Then what? Let the show stand for itself, you don't need to prod it along. Be proud of what you guys have accomplished and move on.

 

[sgtfda]

Ryan I said bat cave not the Superstitions. Healthy lungs are more important than all the gold in the world. Someone hands you a cheap paper mask and tells you were going to the bat cave. Tell them to kiss your ass as I did.

 

[sgtfda]

Ryan filming the show was great fun. I watched it like you. If there is a season two I hope for more input. The first two episodes were my baby and I tried to demonstrate the stone map solution. Many things were cut but I have no control on editing. Gold and silver were found but not shown. I plan on revisiting those locations with Woody. The show title is Legend. Those legends are handed down by the old Dutchunters and they love how the series follow those leads. They pointed the way. The show was one reason Jack received treasure hunter of the year from them. Jack is a good friend and I talked them into putting him on the show. When I gave a talk at the award dinner i told them all the show was dedicated to them. We tried to get as many as we could on the show. Some are shy but helped a great deal. So if your new to dutchunting pay attention to where we go and what we do. You see we are following in their footsteps and with their guidance

 

[somehiker]

Thanks for the report RMG.

I first mentioned that cave on T-Net back in 2007-08, shortly after checking it out myself for the first time.
Other than saying it had bats and multiple "passages" radiating out from the larger opening, I didn't say a whole lot more about it.
I used the find, along with a couple of photos, to yank "blind bowman's" chain a little at the time.
There may be a few who remember that conversation, and another photo I posted then, which had BB threatening to sue me for actually finding something he said he was looking for.....or something like that.



This is a more recent photo, from last October....
I had gone out for another look, because of a map that had been posted by Not Peralta.



That map had something which reminded me of this.....

So, while the Bat Cave certainly provided a spectacular backdrop for the season finale , there are more than enough visual carrots out there to keep things interesting for those who thrive on "legends".

Regards:SH.

 

[johnmark29020]

Thanks for the report RMG.

I first mentioned that cave on T-Net back in 2007-08, shortly after checking it out myself.
Other than saying it had bats and multiple "passages" radiating out from the larger opening, I didn't say a whole lot more about it.
I used the find, along with a couple of photos, to yank "blind bowman" chain a little at the time.
There may be a few who remember that conversation, and another photo I posted then, which had BB threatening to sue me for actually finding something he said was looking for.....or something like that.

<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1133056"/>

This is a more recent photo, from last October....
I had gone out for another look, because of a map that had been posted by Not Peralta.

<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1133059"/>

That map had something which reminded me of this.....<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1133063"/>

So, while the Bat Cave certainly provided a spectacular backdrop for the season finale , there are more than enough visual carrots out there to keep things interesting for those who thrive on "legends".

Regards:SH.

Somehiker

What happened to BB. I haven't seen him post in a long time.

 

[somehiker]

A healthy serving of reality. He finally showed up at the Rendezvous and had the chance to meet some of those who he had been arguing with for years. He was welcomed and treated with respect, but probably realized that what he had was from the lower branches of the knowledge tree.

 

[Hal Croves]

Thanks for the report RMG.

I first mentioned that cave on T-Net back in 2007-08, shortly after checking it out myself for the first time.
Other than saying it had bats and multiple "passages" radiating out from the larger opening, I didn't say a whole lot more about it.
I used the find, along with a couple of photos, to yank "blind bowman's" chain a little at the time.
There may be a few who remember that conversation, and another photo I posted then, which had BB threatening to sue me for actually finding something he said he was looking for.....or something like that.

View attachment 1133056

This is a more recent photo, from last October....
I had gone out for another look, because of a map that had been posted by Not Peralta.

View attachment 1133059

That map had something which reminded me of this.....View attachment 1133063

So, while the Bat Cave certainly provided a spectacular backdrop for the season finale , there are more than enough visual carrots out there to keep things interesting for those who thrive on "legends".

Regards:SH.

I would like to run that picture through ImageJ if you have a larger file to share and don't mind. If not, I understand.

-I ran what you posted through the program. If you don't have a better image, next time you are there take one. If there is no water run off hitting that spot from above, it's curious.

 

[somehiker]

They are both crops of larger images taken from about 2-300ft lower and roughly 500' or so away.
I won't share the entire field of view, since someone else may recognize something in it.
But I'll see what I can do.

It might be worth noting here, with regard to the Stone Map Priest, that a sect of Aztec Warriors and/or Priests also wore a pointed hat or headdress.
Could that, or this be the origin of the pointed sombrero ?

 

[somehiker]

Try this one.
The ocotillo on the slope should give you a sense of the size.
The stalks would be about 7-8' long.
The bushes would range from knee to waist high.
And half the rattlers in the Sups seem to sun themselves on that hill as well.