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[UncleMatt]

I don't watch the advertisements during this show, all of the made up bs is for those that do. That stuff is not for the discerning treasure hunter, its for the masses. The drama over being near a contrived medicine wheel almost made me turn it off right then, and the same went for the black hand drama. But again, I'm not one of the gullibles the show is intended to entertain.

 

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[jeff of pa]

I don't watch the advertisements during this show, all of the made up bs is for those that do. That stuff is not for the discerning treasure hunter, its for the masses. The drama over being near a contrived medicine wheel almost made me turn it off right then, and the same went for the black hand drama. But again, I'm not one of the gullibles the show is intended to entertain.

Yep the show is entertainment enough to keep my attention,
and wouldn't be surprised if allot is reenactments.

Perhaps they originally found an area that had slight markings that suggested there was a wheel there
a Hundred years ago, But production wanted an Obvious wheel.

Perhaps the Arrow head was found a year ago & production wanted him to find it on the show.

I agree with the other person here the Hand looked too Fresh.
Perhaps CGI or rocks Painted at a neutral site so nobody would complain

allot of possibilities , but Knowing these are real treasure Hunters.
most of what makes me Laugh. Makes me ok with it

I just hope they aren't really that Superstitious . as I said Before.
You don't find treasures worrying about curses & spooks.

and as long as they don't turn it into a knights Templer fantasy I'll keep watching

 

[wrmickel1]

Come on guy's, Frank will rally the team through to next weeks show, and Wayne a forty year dutchhunter ant't afraid of nottin'
Well maybe Gollum a little bit, ha ha


Wrmickel1

 

[Hal Croves]

I don't watch the advertisements during this show, all of the made up bs is for those that do. That stuff is not for the discerning treasure hunter, its for the masses. The drama over being near a contrived medicine wheel almost made me turn it off right then, and the same went for the black hand drama. But again, I'm not one of the gullibles the show is intended to entertain.

Frank seems open enough with his discovery. I didn't see last nights show but it has sure sparked some negative comments. Why not just ask him outright if it was staged on not?

 

[pkdmslf]

Ok, for kicks I watched the show tonight. I have a couple of questions. I know this is TV entertainment, but doing a search under "Native American Black Legion" I did not find anything, nada, zip, zero, except for one other website Desertusa. I only read 2 posts that the link went into and only one of the posts mentioned black legion. I also searched for Native American and or Spanish black hand prints at caves. Came up zilch, zip, nadda, nothing!

Seeing pictures of primitive paintings over 200-1,000 years old from caves where they were found and how faded they were because they did not have the paint technology back then as we have today, I am curious how the "black hand prints" found on the show looked almost new and not weathered and aged as one would think they would be right next to the opening of the cave which would lead it to believe it would be more exposed to rain and natural weathering?

As I said, I know the show is based on entertainment, but how come no reasearch via the internet can bring up the questions I have.

I have a couple of friends who are full blooded Native American Navjo who also knows a few Apaches they are friends with. I am going to see if they have an answer on the Black Legion rumor and if they know anything of black hand prints at cave entrances and what does it mean if anything.

I never heard of the "Black Legion" until I read "The Sterling Legend" by Estee Conatser. (I don't believe it. Just added drama/mystery.)

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[G.A.P.metal]

I`v been watching from the start and like the show but....if they are so far out in the mountains....i see a road right 100' next to them walking
Gary

 

[Advocat]

Re medicine wheel -- the production company would have been my first guess too, except that I thought I remembered previously reading somewhere that there IS a medicine wheel out in the Superstitions, so maybe this wheel was that one. And maybe it is. But regardless, most likely made by the production company or someone "playing Indian" as jeff of pa so well put it.

 

[UncleMatt]

It is likely Frank has signed an agreement not to reveal such things Hal, so rather than put him on the spot over it, its best to rely on one's own observations.

 

[Hal Croves]

I don't watch the advertisements during this show, all of the made up bs is for those that do. That stuff is not for the discerning treasure hunter, its for the masses. The drama over being near a contrived medicine wheel almost made me turn it off right then, and the same went for the black hand drama. But again, I'm not one of the gullibles the show is intended to entertain.

UncleMatt,
So, you are implying that the show altered evidence to support a theory? Entertainment television or not, that is a serious accusation. Since when has it become acceptable to serve contrived history to the gullible masses? Yes, it happens every day, and when it does, people like you typically take them to task in their review.

I would enjoy reading a well written review of the five episodes from someone who is historically knowledgable, fair, and discerning. You only get one shot at this type of media exposure and then your reputation is set in stone. "What we do today lives on in eternity" even more so when someone is following you with a camera.

Anyone care to give it a shot? This thread is about the show.....

 

[Hal Croves]

It is likely Frank has signed an agreement not to reveal such things Hal, so rather than put him on the spot over it, its best to rely on one's own observations.

If Frank did sign such a document it would be his right to break the terms of confidentiality. No one can be held to a contract that encourages blatant fraud and no decent production company would ever expose themselves legally by including cast members in a such a scheme. If it's old and in the SWA, chances are there is a record of this medicine wheel on the SWA Archeology map. Now getting to see that map is another story.

 

[Advocat]

Following up ... there is a circular stone structure in the Superstitions -- thought I recalled reading about it somewhere. But it's not like the "medicine wheel" that is featured on the show, it's a different entity entirely: https://sites.google.com/site/boglekevin/circlestoneruininthesuperstitionmountain

 

[azblackbird]

Medicine wheels? I'm guessing some here haven't been up in the Sedona area. They're all over the fricking place. Hippies put them there, just as they probably did in the Supers.

 

[UncleMatt]

Wow, such drama! Oh my! I dared have an opinion that disagreed with a tv show! How dare I! That's serious business! LOL

 

[vastterrain]

This is the real medicine wheel located in the superstitions!

 

[UncleMatt]

Look at that photo. Do you see a bunch of single row, totally clean, perfectly spaced rocks sitting ONLY on the surface? NOPE! But hey, I wouldn't want to get in trouble with the all knowing, all powerful tv authorities, so I better watch myself....

 

[Cubfan64]

This is the real medicine wheel located in the superstitions!

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I had the pleasure of being shown that one by Somehiker - not in the easiest place to get to and definitely looks old

 

[Goose MKII]

This is the real medicine wheel located in the superstitions!

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See, that one looks like it's been there for ages. The one shown on TV last night was a recent event.
It's clear it hasn't been there that long, just like the painted black hands have not been there very long.
We're talking over a century of history here and this is supposed to date back more than 100 years ago.
I just hope this was not staged. It will kill the show if it was...

 

[Terry Soloman]

This is the real medicine wheel located in the superstitions!

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Yeah, my Boy Scout troop built that in 1971 for our "Order of the Arrow" inductions. Come on people, lets try and get serious here. This TV show is taking advantage of the guys who "star" in it - and us. It is completely contrived and the thing that stands out the most to me is that A) they've killed two snakes for absolutely no reason, and B) none of this is being filmed back in the Superstition range itself. They all wear day packs, none of them look like they could hike five-miles (let alone a full day in the Superstition wilderness) without hurting themselves, and now "Black Hands?" Come on! I watch it because I want to see who gets on Frank's nerves next, and to see if one of them accidentally shoots another cast member while playing with their guns!

 

[Hal Croves]

Yeah, my Boy Scout troop built that in 1971 for our "Order of the Arrow" inductions. Come on people, lets try and get serious here. This TV show is taking advantage of the guys who "star" in it - and us. It is completely contrived and the thing that stands out the most to me is that A) they've killed two snakes for absolutely no reason, and B) none of this is being filmed back in the Superstition range itself. They all wear day packs, none of them look like they could hike five-miles (let alone a full day in the Superstition wilderness) without hurting themselves, and now "Black Hands?" Come on! I watch it because I want to see who gets on Frank's nerves next, and to see if one of them accidentally shoots another cast member while playing with their guns!

Holy **** that is the funniest post that I have ever read on TNet.
I owe you a drink for bringing humor to the conversation.

Killed two snakes? Is that a metaphor for Hollywood executives?

 

[azblackbird]

Cool it Terry! There's way too many people here who believe in all this stuff, and the worst thing somebody could do is to come along and blow their fantasies out of the water. That's just outright mean!