NEW ATTACK TO SHUT DOWN CALIFORNIA AREAS NEARLY 2 MILLION ACRES

[vini]

[h=1]News Release[/h] [h=2]Three Amphibians and their Habitat Proposed for Federal Protections[/h]
[h=3]Service Seeks Public Comments[/h] [h=3]April 24, 2013[/h] Media Contacts:
Robert Moler, (916) 414-6606; [email protected]

Mountain Yellow-Legged Frog

Sacramento - The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) is proposing to list the Sierra Nevada yellow-legged frog and the northern distinct population segment of the mountain yellow-legged frog as endangered and the Yosemite toad as threatened under the Endangered Species Act (ESA). The Service is also proposing to designate critical habitat for these three amphibian species in California: 1,105,400 acres across 16 counties for the Sierra Nevada yellow-legged frog, 221,498 acres across two counties for the mountain yellow-legged frog, and 750,926 acres across seven counties for the Yosemite toad. With overlapping areas, the total proposed critical habitat for the three amphibians is 1,831,820 acres. Most of the proposed critical habitat is on federal lands.



Yosemeite Toad

“With two amphibian species possibly facing extinction, one more at serious risk, and almost two million acres of critical habitat being proposed, we will need the best available scientific information in order to make our final decision on protecting these species,” said Jan Knight, Acting Field Supervisor for the Sacramento Fish and Wildlife Service. “America’s wildlife resources belong to all of us, and ensuring the health of imperiled species is a shared responsibility. We encourage the public to submit information to help us better understand the condition of these species and their habitat.”



IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE I AM LINKING TO YOU WILL SEE "FEDERAL REGISTERNOTICES" THOSE ARE THE 2 FILES EXPLAINING WHAT THE PLAN IS , WHERE THE LOCATIONS WILL BE, WHY HOW AND INSANE MICRO MACRO DESCRIPTIONS OF THE PLAN, AND THESE ARE ALLL GOLD BEARING MINING AREAS,,,,THIS COULD ALSO BE LOOKED AT AS AN AGENDA 21 PLOT, I MEAN 2 MILLION ACRE CLOSER ?

HERES THE LINK

News Release April 24, 2013

 

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[vini]

THIS IS A GOLD MINING ISSUE, OUR CLAIMS ARE WITHIN THE AREA OF ONE OF THE PROPOSED HABITAT AREAS AND IM TALKING ABOUT 166,000 ACRE CLOSIER, A HUGE SWATH OF LAND JUST IN FRESNO COUNTY

 

[Fullpan]

What about frog hatcheries, toad hatcheries? Couldn't amount to a mil a year to bring pop. back up. If the fish hatcheries were closed down tomorrow,
the fish and game would have to close its doors in a couple years. So its ok to breed fish but not frogs and toads?

 

[63bkpkr]

Toads & Frogs should be bred my environmentalists

Seems like something needs to be done about this or are we going to sit on our hands again and not do much of anything. Band together and fight!......................63bkpkr

Addendum: 2:10 PM May 08, 2013 - Mr. Molers voice mail has received my request to have the Fish & Game dept. start a breeding program but no closures or prohibitions should be imposed on these lands. (Note: Neither Politicians or Fish & Game Dept. managers or employees area allowed to have relations with these animals. That's all we need is to allow them to really mess up the population)

 

[jeff of pa]

1,831,820 acres ? how many Hundreds of Thousands of Frogs are There ?
surely they don't need all those acres for a half a dozen Frogs ?

proposed critical habitat is on federal lands

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I bet it wouldn't be so critical if a
New Chemical Weapons of mass destruction plant was needed

are their legs even Edible ?
look too small

 

[Fullpan]

Good one, Herb! - too much inbreeding going on already at fish and game

 

[vini]

you guys crack me up but i guess thats part of what it takes to get threw this cr#p , a sense of humor, otherwise end up blowing an arterie in the head !!!

We have wild brown trout in our creek and they love the mercury in it, strong, healthy, growing, spawning wild trout all over, very plentiful and no i dont fish for them i want as many in there as possible and i haven't seen nor has anyone else seen any frogs or toads, oh probably because there endangered and eaten up by the wild trout sure doesnt have a damn thing to do with our mining...

BTW its going to be us who have to notify our republican congressman i dont think any of them even knew about all this so its up to us to let them all know.

 

[Fullpan]

The Sierra Fund sends out propaganda daily about how they are saving the Sierra. So far, they haven't saved squat! How about Letters to the Editors demanding
that they step forward with their 54 million a year and start a breeding program for the frogs. That goes for the other 100 or so non-profits that spend taxpayers
money on building trails for urban hikers and use volunteer kids to pull up invasive weeds for crissake!

 

[63bkpkr]

Ok, so let's start contacting "our" Government officials and get a fire started! Who else has called the Fish & Game phone number and left a message?........................63bkpkr

 

[Goldwasher]

Brown Trout are not even a native species.Factually most trout fisheries contain fish that are non native.One of the main reasons for the destruction of frogs is planted trout.

 

[Oakview2]

Can't make it through all 60 pages, but Yosimite Toads does not sound good for us. Did you make it to your claim this weekend.

 

[Fullpan]

Hey guys, I emailed this Moler guy at fws (above) and actually got a response! He sounds like a PR guy for this project. His return email listed a whole bunch of beauratz gobbledy-gook. I strongly urge you to spend a minute and email this guy, at least he'll be required to log the responses. And when he returns the
email maybe someone can post his BS on here to let others read it. (I tried to attach but am too brain-dead).

And if someone gets a news letter published, by all means let us know, so we can jump on board with comments in support!

 

[63bkpkr]

Thank you Fullpan, you probed my brain into activity and I've acted upon that activity. Here's what I just sent off to him:

Mr. Moler,
Concerning "Three Amphibians and their Habitat Proposed for Federal Protections Service Seeks Public Comments" I believe it is not in the best interest of the public or the nation to have any portion of the proposed lands sequestered for special purposes such as the rejuvenation of these supposed endangered species. A much more useful plan would be to raise these amphibians in some appropriate setting and return them to the wild.

I know for a fact that the claims made for the reasons the amphibians are in decline are false! I know this as I hike the wilderness countries in the Sate of California where there is no human interaction with the game animals and other creatures and these amphibians are not there either. The claims about these animals being wiped out due to human activity are groundless. I've found pools of very unusual salamanders, small groups of snakes I've never seen before and other odd bugs and critters in these same wild countries so if these unusual animals are there and the frogs and toads are not it is not because of any human interaction with them. Therefore the basis for the removal of these lands for all uses is unwarranted.

Respectfully, Mr. Herbert G. Rettke

Let's see now, that would be locations like these:

and these are only a few of the places I've been where these supposed endangered species do not exist and man has not touched these places other than to just look at them and smile at the beauty!

 

[63bkpkr]

And here is Mr. Moler's Response to the above email:

Dear Mr. Rettke,

Thank you for your interest and comments regarding the proposed listing and proposed critical habitat rules for the Sierra Nevada yellow-legged frog, the Northern DPS of the mountain yellow-legged frog, and the Yosemite toad.


I appreciate that you sent this message to me, but I am the contact for media inquiries and not for official comments. I have forwarded your comments to the Chief of our Listing Division. To ensure your information is considered, please submit your comments online at the Federal eRulemaking Portal (http://www.regulations.gov the Docket Number for the proposed listing rule is FWS–R8–ES–2012–0100 and for the proposed critical habitat rule is FWS–R8–ES–2012–0074) or by U.S. mail to:
Public Comments Processing
Attn: FWS–R8–ES–2012–0100 or FWS–R8–ES–2012–0074
Division of Policy and Directives Management
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
4401 N. Fairfax Drive, MS 2042-PDM
Arlington, VA 22203


As you know, these are proposed rules. To ensure that our final decision will be based on the best scientific and commercial data available and be as accurate and as effective as possible, we are seeking comments particularly concerning:


1. Biological, commercial trade, or other relevant data concerning any threats (or lack thereof) to these species, and regulations that may be addressing those threats;


2. Additional information concerning the historical and current status, range, distribution, and population size of these species, including the locations of any additional populations of these species;


3. Any information on the biological or ecological requirements of these species, and ongoing conservation measures for these species and their habitats;


4. The factors that are the basis for making a listing determination for a species under section 4(a) of the Act, which are:

• The present or threatened destruction, modification, or curtailment of its habitat or range;
• Overutilization for commercial, recreational, scientific, or educational purposes;
• Disease or predation;
• The inadequacy of existing regulatory mechanisms; or
• Other natural or manmade factors affecting its continued existence.

5. The reasons why we should or should not designate habitat as critical habitat under section 4 of the Act (16 U.S.C. 1531 et seq.), including whether there are threats to these species from human activity, the degree of which can be expected to increase due to the designation, and whether that increase in threat outweighs the benefit of designation such that the designation of critical habitat is not prudent;


6. Specific information on:

• The amount and distribution of Sierra Nevada yellow-legged frog, the northern DPS of the mountain yellow-legged frog, and Yosemite toad, and their habitats;
• What areas are currently occupied and that contain features essential to the conservation of these species should be included in the designation, and why;
• What areas not occupied at the time of listing are essential for the conservation of these species, and why;

7. Land use designations and current or planned activities in the areas occupied by the species or proposed to be designated as critical habitat, and possible impacts of these activities on these species and their proposed critical habitats;


8. Information on the projected and reasonably likely impacts of climate change on the Sierra Nevada yellow-legged frog, the northern DPS of the mountain yellow-legged frog, and the Yosemite toad, and on their proposed critical habitats. Information on special management considerations or protection that may be needed in the proposed critical habitat areas, including management for the potential effects of climate change;


9. Any probable economic, national security or other relevant impacts that may result from designating any area as critical habitat that may be included in the final designation. We are particularly interested in any impacts on small entities, and the benefits of including or excluding areas from the proposed designation that are subject to these impacts;


10. Whether any specific areas proposed for critical habitat designation should be considered for exclusion under section 4(b)(2) of the Act, and whether the benefits of potentially excluding any specific area outweigh the benefits of including that area under section 4(b)(2) of the Act;


11. Whether our approach to designating critical habitat could be improved or modified in any way to provide for greater public participation and understanding, or to assist us in accommodating public concerns and comments; and


12. The likelihood of adverse social reactions to the designation of critical habitat and how the consequences of such reactions, if likely to occur, would relate to the conservation and regulatory benefits of the proposed critical habitat designation.

Thank you again for your interest.


The mission of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is to work with others to conserve, protect and enhance wildlife and wildlife habitat for the continuing benefit of the American people.



********Robert Moler
Assistant Field Supervisor for External Affairs
Sacramento Fish and Wildlife Office
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
Department of Interior
[email protected]
916.414.6606
Life is Wild






So OK, now I know what I really need to do and it will be a much longer letter and it will include the previous pictures as well as others. And, I would love to be a guide for the Senators or whomever will be voting on this thing to show them where these animals are just not there and it is not because MAN especially man in the form of prospectors/miners/dredgers have ever touched the place! so there!!.......................63bkpkr

And my brothers and sisters, what are you going to do?

 

[spillercanyon]

The greenies are up to their old tricks again. It is happening in Yosemite as I write this. Congress asked the NPS to evaluate what could be done to protect the Merced Watershed (the main river flowing through Yosemite Valley). Instead of looking at what could be done to improve the watershed, the NPS came up with removing a swimming pool and the ice skating rink as well as stop renting bicycles, all NPS agendas that have nothing to do with protecting the Merced Watershed. Not sure where this is going to stop but I certainly hope the pendulum starts swinging back here real soon.

 

[Fullpan]

Thats the same one I got, 63bkpkr - Classic response from "new burearats" who have given up on any leadership in these matters -from here on they'll just do what the most powerful segment of "stakeholders" want. If the majority of powerful people decide its better to burn the whole forest down, I have no doubt the USFS
would go along with it. What a sad state we have come to.

 

[vini]

I'll be writing a letter along with pictures of our claims and the creek that flows thru it showing fish in the creek and any other live critters we can find. Also the over grown areas that get very little foot traffic and there are trails where quads and motorcycles can ride and they do stay on those trails. There are deer hunters that go up and bear but not many, I should request getting some numbers from DFG of the hunting tags they get up there per year I bet its less then 200 in that 166,000 acre parcel. This area we're in is 5400 feet up it gets little traffic and no one hardly goes higher EXCEPT for hikers........

Thanks for working on this guys, we need our scientists and biologist involved in this but all they do is try and discredit them, i have seen it with the dredging situation, well established retied scientists and biologist and the environazis call them phony's and frauds, we're dealing with sick people here guys...

 

[MrLee]

My gold club meeting is Saturday. We usually have about 100 people there. I'll be sure to bring this up as well as post it on our site.

 

[vini]

Can't make it through all 60 pages, but Yosimite Toads does not sound good for us. Did you make it to your claim this weekend.

YES we did Ron we spent 2 hours setting quarter posts and walking our creek real good way to get to know your claim is to walk it LOL found some nice holes to hit. The water is still melting with snow on the peak up there so you can imagine how friggin cold the creek water is, yeah i lasted all of 15 minutes feet were freezing plus the water is high and rushing hard to dig but with just a few shovels i got 100 small pieces fly poop size, all surface stuff didnt dig any deeper then 6 inchs, seriously....

We found a USFS corner marker, guys dont try reading those numbers i smudged them out HEH HEH

 

[63bkpkr]

Vini,
Yes that water is really cold when it is coming right from the snow or a glacier. It being cold and rushing quickly by makes it very dangerous! Consider your fffffffeeeeetttt and how cold they were and then think about dropping your entire body into it, your chest muscles will cramp so you can not breathe and then you get swept into a boulder and it hurts and your head goes under and it ain't pretty after that unless a person can act very quickly to save themselves. Oh, I can read through the smudging just fine, see ya there next week!! lol.....................63bkpkr

Oh, and did you see any Y toads or yellow legged frogs?