NEW ATTACK TO SHUT DOWN CALIFORNIA AREAS NEARLY 2 MILLION ACRES

[vini]

[h=1]News Release[/h] [h=2]Three Amphibians and their Habitat Proposed for Federal Protections[/h]
[h=3]Service Seeks Public Comments[/h] [h=3]April 24, 2013[/h] Media Contacts:
Robert Moler, (916) 414-6606; [email protected]

Mountain Yellow-Legged Frog

Sacramento - The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) is proposing to list the Sierra Nevada yellow-legged frog and the northern distinct population segment of the mountain yellow-legged frog as endangered and the Yosemite toad as threatened under the Endangered Species Act (ESA). The Service is also proposing to designate critical habitat for these three amphibian species in California: 1,105,400 acres across 16 counties for the Sierra Nevada yellow-legged frog, 221,498 acres across two counties for the mountain yellow-legged frog, and 750,926 acres across seven counties for the Yosemite toad. With overlapping areas, the total proposed critical habitat for the three amphibians is 1,831,820 acres. Most of the proposed critical habitat is on federal lands.



Yosemeite Toad

“With two amphibian species possibly facing extinction, one more at serious risk, and almost two million acres of critical habitat being proposed, we will need the best available scientific information in order to make our final decision on protecting these species,” said Jan Knight, Acting Field Supervisor for the Sacramento Fish and Wildlife Service. “America’s wildlife resources belong to all of us, and ensuring the health of imperiled species is a shared responsibility. We encourage the public to submit information to help us better understand the condition of these species and their habitat.”



IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE I AM LINKING TO YOU WILL SEE "FEDERAL REGISTERNOTICES" THOSE ARE THE 2 FILES EXPLAINING WHAT THE PLAN IS , WHERE THE LOCATIONS WILL BE, WHY HOW AND INSANE MICRO MACRO DESCRIPTIONS OF THE PLAN, AND THESE ARE ALLL GOLD BEARING MINING AREAS,,,,THIS COULD ALSO BE LOOKED AT AS AN AGENDA 21 PLOT, I MEAN 2 MILLION ACRE CLOSER ?

HERES THE LINK

News Release April 24, 2013

 

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[Fullpan]

Just one more rant to get the poison out. There are 600 Environmental Scientists/Environmental Engineers at the Ca. Dept. of Fish and Wildlife. They all
make more than 60,000/yr. They're at least that many more scattered around the water boards, toxic substance control, and other tax-funded agencies.
These people are all "college educated" and are there for the purpose of improving environmental conditions. I don't know how many are floating around
at the federal level, the EPA, FWS, USFS, etc. but the results from all this scientific pool is pretty piss-poor. They are becoming reports/studies whore's who
never make definitive statements about anything! Saying this or that has the "potential" to cause this or that, is like saying, although i'm 70 yrs old, i have
the "potential" to be a Mars explorer. What a waste!

So when the time comes to decide something, what do these experts do? - they ask the "stakeholders" for input. Doesn't that make all of em' dead weight?
just my 2 cents.

 

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[Hefty1]

The mission of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is to work with others to conserve, protect and enhance wildlife and wildlife habitat for the continuing benefit of the American people.

Can anyone on this board or any other board or from anywhere I dont care where it comes from!
Tell me how you or anyone else you know that has benefited (And how) from these 3 species that they want to close 2 million acres for.

See if you get an answer to this from these clowns!

 

[goldenIrishman]

Seems to me that I saw a documentary on the tube a year or so ago that said the frogs all over the Americas were dying off because of some virus or fungus. In other words... Mother Nature and Natural Selection at work!!!!! Now what I want to know is how is closing off all this land going to stop that? Simply put... IT'S NOT!!!! It's like placing a band-aid on an amputated limb to stop the bleeding. Complete waste of time and money not to mention denying the public the right to use these lands which THEY OWN!!!

Yet again it's an effort to get these lands set aside and off limits to the public so the scientists can use them as their own private resorts. They're actually going in there panning all the gold out of the hills and only when they've finished that will we be allowed back into the areas in question. Yes... Like this statement the scientists make no sense!

 

[vini]

Vini,
Yes that water is really cold when it is coming right from the snow or a glacier. It being cold and rushing quickly by makes it very dangerous! Consider your fffffffeeeeetttt and how cold they were and then think about dropping your entire body into it, your chest muscles will cramp so you can not breathe and then you get swept into a boulder and it hurts and your head goes under and it ain't pretty after that unless a person can act very quickly to save themselves. Oh, I can read through the smudging just fine, see ya there next week!! lol.....................63bkpkr

Oh, and did you see any Y toads or yellow legged frogs?

NOPE NO FROGS that i've seen but at night my buddy lowctoy said he hears BULL FROGS so we're going gigging next time we're up to see what we can find HEH HEEHEHEHEHEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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OK guys i was reading and guess what i found, the BIGGEST THREAT to these frogs are THE TROUT which was introduced a Long time ago by no other then THE SIERRA CLUB..........

Ok so they wanted to get rid of the brown paper bags and got us all using plastic now we have a plastic bag epidemic, they wanted to go more green with the light bulds and they give us mercury filled bulbs that are a toxic site when they break, these people come up with GARBAGE ideas and im trying real hard no to lose my composure with these people but it's RIDICULOUS!!!!!!

 

[vini]

Regulations.gov

I made my comments and it was danged hard not to swear LOL

 

[vini]

Brown Trout are not even a native species.Factually most trout fisheries contain fish that are non native.One of the main reasons for the destruction of frogs is planted trout.

They even admit to those fact pville, thanks man your quite knowledgeable please sned in your comments.

 

[pmgsourdough]

The only native trout in the Black Hills is the Brook. Rainbow and Brown were introduced. Tourism=Profits. Period. "Come and experience the beauty of the Black Hills". "But dont you dare TOUCH anything!!!"

 

[Alex Burke]

I have a story which I think relates, a while back I had a friend and roommate who was a statistics major and an excellent online poker tournament player. He would play 5 or 6 tables at once and grind out about 35k a year after taxes. He would play several thousand hands a day. Volume was the key to this player coming out ahead, he would hit a break even month sometimes but his bankroll could support a 6 month downswing which never happened while I lived with him. He wasn't famous and obv didn't live a glamorous lifestyle.

Then one April 15th ironic right? The FBI took over the international poker websites and suddenly enforced the American law banning online poker! My roommate had several thousand dollars seized by the DOJ along with many other players.(This law was added by senator Frist (I think) to the patriot act. Did they have the right to seize millions of foreign and domestic money from international websites? Did they think bin laden was playing $10 tournaments on pokerstars? Why wait years to enforce the law? When this happened and ever since a small group of players has lobbied and lobbied to get back the right to play poker, even winning decisions saying its a game of skill but the Las Vegas and the Indian Casino lobbying dollars can't be matched and that's who the politicians listen to it seems. The demise came in waves just like this, they seized processors first and made most the good american players feel like criminals for playing. When they tried to cash checks to pay there bills they bounced. Eventually with a lack of recreational players losing money and no sites that were trustworthy or legal to play at pretty much all of them moved on to other jobs or left the country if they were that dedicated. My friend still lives in Vegas and had a job tending bar last time I talked to him.

The moral is I suppose unless something directly affects someone they don't care enough to protest it. Part of the problem is people are too busy trying to survive to care, but this complacency is making it worse, people would rather watch American idol than the news and I don't know any way to remedy that. If people don't know whats happening they can't begin to reform it. Rome failed because the rich pushed the poor too close to desperation. Modern politicians know to divide and conquer, they will not allow us to unite on issues across party lines they would rather run it till the wheels fall off. I intend on leaving at least one good sized stone tablet when I die so when they read the history books in 500 years (if they can still read) they'll see some of us cared.

Regulations.gov

 

[vini]

EXACTLY guys you've both hit matters on the head.

I think that we're more informed then most because we are directly being touched by guvment, no one else seems to care much what happens every one sheepishly goes along with the flow.

 

[MadMarshall]

It is so easy to point fingers at orginazations and other people....Truth is when you live in a society that raises children to be "Doctors and Lawyers" not to help people but just to make allot of money then it is no surprise...The very people you complain about are your neighbors, Friends,Family!!! Who do you think work these jobs!!!!! Maybe instead of pointing fingers we should take a look on what we are showing and teaching our children...And in truth what does it matter? I am just someone else's plaything!!
I'm told Where When and what everyday of my life.. If I don't get a job and pay taxes I will starve becouse it's a crime to survive without giving our great country a dollar..When I was born I was't given an oppurtunity I was given a shackle to pay my dues for the privelage of bening a citizen! When a society basis it's whole morals on the foundation on profit well this it what you get!!! Anyone ever hear that history repeats itself!!! Maybe humanity should work for knowledge and forgoe profit...But one fun would that be!! becouse if we did that all men would truly one day be equal...And who want's to be equal? It is so much better to be better then someone else to have nicer stuff to be able to brag about living in the greatest country... There is nothing a man can not do!!(we been walked on the Moon we split atoms ect ect) But some how we can not manage to really give a crap about mankind!!!We are so worried about a man made existance then actually giving life it's true due's!!!!

 

[Goldwasher]

W.T.F.A.Y.T.A?

 

[Fullpan]

EXACTLY guys you've both hit matters on the head.

I think that we're more informed then most because we are directly being touched by guvment, no one else seems to care much what happens every one sheepishly goes along with the flow.

Vini - we aren't totally alone. There's other small groups fighting too
Sierra Access Coalition - Home

 

[NuggetN8]

This whole thing is ridiculous. It looks like they're going to give half of the state to the frogs... They may as well kick everyone out of California to give the animals more space. The animals are already running our state.. Who in their right mind would go through the trouble to try to save a frog?! Who cares?! There's plenty of frogs in the world. I see plenty of frogs at the river. I catch them and use them for fish bait. There's no shortage of them. When you go to the river at the right time of year you can see thousands of tadpoles EVERYWHERE. I use them as food for the crawdads in my aquariums. Now this might not be the same type of frog but they all look the same to me. Next time I see a frog ill check to see if its legs are yellow haha.

 

[Fullpan]

I just added my two bits on Regulations.gov Its kinda scary cause,even tho I didn't give full info on myself, I can't help thinking that soon there will be an
electronic target on the roof of the house for drones. Tell me i'm unjustly paranoid, please! Congrats to the others who spoke their pieces.

 

[Jeff95531]

The only native trout in the Black Hills is the Brook. Rainbow and Brown were introduced. Tourism=Profits. Period. "Come and experience the beauty of the Black Hills". "But dont you dare TOUCH anything!!!"

This isn't funny! When I went into the FS here in town, I asked them what their position is on recreational gold prospecting in the parks. He said "Prohibited"
After a long awkward pause I began to speak and he interrupted me and said "No metal detectors either". It's like he enjoyed this a little too much at my expense.

 

[vini]

Seems to me that I saw a documentary on the tube a year or so ago that said the frogs all over the Americas were dying off because of some virus or fungus. In other words... Mother Nature and Natural Selection at work!!!!! Now what I want to know is how is closing off all this land going to stop that? Simply put... IT'S NOT!!!! It's like placing a band-aid on an amputated limb to stop the bleeding. Complete waste of time and money not to mention denying the public the right to use these lands which THEY OWN!!!

Yet again it's an effort to get these lands set aside and off limits to the public so the scientists can use them as their own private resorts. They're actually going in there panning all the gold out of the hills and only when they've finished that will we be allowed back into the areas in question. Yes... Like this statement the scientists make no sense!

HERE IT IS IRISHMAN you were right.

Pregnancy Test Frog May Have Spread Fatal Fungus

 

[vini]

I just added my two bits on Regulations.gov Its kinda scary cause,even tho I didn't give full info on myself, I can't help thinking that soon there will be an
electronic target on the roof of the house for drones. Tell me i'm unjustly paranoid, please! Congrats to the others who spoke their pieces.

No your not being paranoid anythings possible and i'm feeling it too, let not fear stop you from doing the right thing, regret is worse then death

 

[vini]

This isn't funny! When I went into the FS here in town, I asked them what their position is on recreational gold prospecting in the parks. He said "Prohibited"
After a long awkward pause I began to speak and he interrupted me and said "No metal detectors either". It's like he enjoyed this a little too much at my expense.

You need to find out what the regulations are for the area you want to mine, if your in a park there is no prospecting allowed at all but in the forest there is.

 

[vini]

Vini - we aren't totally alone. There's other small groups fighting too
Sierra Access Coalition - Home

Also the off road vehicle guys are joining in I saw one who had posted and comment there, everyone should be chiming in on this issue, its enormous!!

 

[Fullpan]

Having read the enemy's comments on regulations.gov website (john Buckly of the non-profit CSERC) I'll quote some and paraphrase others. "The presense of introduced, non-native
fish into the SNYLF habitat is certainly the primary threat to the species' survival, but it may also be the most difficult threat to remove due to the intensity
of work to remove non-native fish from high Sierra waterways." He goes on to say THE COWS ARE IN SOME MEADOWS TOO, so lets blame them, after all
we don't want to hike around on weekends and run the risk of getting cow poo on our hiking boots. No evidence presented that
cows are harming anything (sound familiar?) Its all so evil.