My Movie

[Saturna]

Soooo, go cheat at a park and find a gold ring that you (nor anyone you're with) had any knowledge of being there. And do us all a favor, don't "find" a ring in the sand at the volleyball pit or tot-lot. Why? Because it's impossible to tell if sand has been disturbed or not.

Yep, that's all it would take. Instead of endless claims of treasure found, if you want to disprove the skeptics (and I know the LRL users would love to) just do that simple task.
Go to a park, locate something of value with your LRL, and dig it up. Do this a few times in front of the camera, and it would be hard to argue the results.




... but we know that video will never be made, don't we.

 

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[Ted Groves]

Art, I switched off you a couple of years ago because of countless inconsistancies in your 4 thousand odd posts.
Every one who has half a brain knows that the Ranger Tell product is a fraud and anyone with a quarter of a brain who listens to your dribble and purchases a Ranger Tell should be able to sue you in conjunction with Ranger Tell for fraud by default.
Max ( Dowser 501)

He is in my Iggy list as well, and for the same reasons. Oh, and the fact that he refuses to use the Quote button is another strike against him, since his rhetoric nonsense is hard enough to read IF it was "quoted" properly - but it isn't, so it is generally impossible to get the gist. I applaud AF for responding to him like he does. He certainly has more patience for the poor guy than I do.

 

[ClonedSIM]

When I hunt in a park I feel like I am cheating by using a MFD.
Art, I've obviously never been too concerned about your feelings. Soooo, go cheat at a park and find a gold ring that you (nor anyone you're with) had any knowledge of being there. And do us all a favor, don't "find" a ring in the sand at the volleyball pit or tot-lot. Why? Because it's impossible to tell if sand has been disturbed or not.

What a rant AF…Are you hipper. How’s your breathing? I have been finding treasure even before you were born…Art

How's my breathing? I'm still alive, and what does any of this have to do with you not being able to tape yourself finding an unknown target in a patch of undisturbed ground?

 

[ClonedSIM]

Art, I switched off you a couple of years ago because of countless inconsistancies in your 4 thousand odd posts.
Every one who has half a brain knows that the Ranger Tell product is a fraud and anyone with a quarter of a brain who listens to your dribble and purchases a Ranger Tell should be able to sue you in conjunction with Ranger Tell for fraud by default.
Max ( Dowser 501)

He is in my Iggy list as well, and for the same reasons. Oh, and the fact that he refuses to use the Quote button is another strike against him, since his rhetoric nonsense is hard enough to read IF it was "quoted" properly - but it isn't, so it is generally impossible to get the gist. I applaud AF for responding to him like he does. He certainly has more patience for the poor guy than I do.

Whether it's tenacity or insanity, I'm hard-pressed to tell the difference anymore.

I'd just love to pin this guy down to a single theory, or a single answer, to any question at all. All the wishy-washyness is aggravating.

 

[aarthrj3811]

How's my breathing? I'm still alive, and what does any of this have to do with you not being able to tape yourself finding an unknown target in a patch of undisturbed ground?

And again AF you show your lack of knowledge about treasure hunting. When you are looking for items that were dropped by people that is a good way to search and looking for undisturbed ground would be a good idea. I have two exceptions to that rule would be when looking for “placer gold”. It will be in undisturbed ground but will be found mostly on Government land by a stream or river. The other exception would be finding ”gold float” which also can mostly be found on government land on the sides of mountains above rivers and streams.
If you are looking for stuff that has been buried you would want to look for mostly round low spots or spots that look like someone has disturbed the dirt by digging a hole or piles of rocks. I don’t know about you but I like it when I see that I have a target in Disturbed ground…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

How's my breathing? I'm still alive, and what does any of this have to do with you not being able to tape yourself finding an unknown target in a patch of undisturbed ground?

And again AF you show your lack of knowledge about treasure hunting. When you are looking for items that were dropped by people that is a good way to search and looking for undisturbed ground would be a good idea. I have two exceptions to that rule would be when looking for “placer gold”. It will be in undisturbed ground but will be found mostly on Government land by a stream or river. The other exception would be finding ”gold float” which also can mostly be found on government land on the sides of mountains above rivers and streams.
If you are looking for stuff that has been buried you would want to look for mostly round low spots or spots that look like someone has disturbed the dirt by digging a hole or piles of rocks. I don’t know about you but I like it when I see that I have a target in Disturbed ground…Art

Well, good for you, but what does any of this have to do with your inability to videotape yourself recovering an unknown target from a patch of undisturbed ground?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Art, I switched off you a couple of years ago because of countless inconsistancies in your 4 thousand odd posts.
Every one who has half a brain knows that the Ranger Tell product is a fraud and anyone with a quarter of a brain who listens to your dribble and purchases a Ranger Tell should be able to sue you in conjunction with Ranger Tell for fraud by default.
Max ( Dowser 501)

Good see that you are still kicking. Has not been much Sun activity in years but I still check the space weather hoping the Sun will wake up. Am still using my equipment and finding stuff ..Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

These two photo’s tells me that what is under this disturbed ground may be more valuable than what is under undisturbed soil… I was wrong because there is a man made tunnel or a natural cave under these spots…

 

[ClonedSIM]

These two photo’s tells me that what is under this disturbed ground may be more valuable than what is under undisturbed soil… I was wrong because there is a man made tunnel or a natural cave under these spots…

Not the point at all, Art, and I know you understand what I'm talking about here. In order to "see" that the LRL does anything at all, digging up a ring or coin from a piece of undisturbed ground is an easy way to do this.

In this instance, it has nothing to do with the value of the find, it has to do with the validity of the find. If you tape yourself walking to a little pile of loose soil and pulling a gold coin out of it, what have you proved? Nothing at all, from a proof point of view. Anyone at all could have placed that coin there prior to the beginning of your filming.

There's a reason behind the request for a target from an undisturbed piece of ground, you see.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Well, good for you, but what does any of this have to do with your inability to videotape yourself recovering an unknown target from a patch of undisturbed ground?

Boy are you hard headed…I have told this forum that I have found a Silver signal that I will try to film. My estimate of the target is ¾ of an ounce. It is under 500 feet from this spot. This target could be a whole lot of different items. It could be a few quarters or a few dimes or a few flakes of silver or something that someone has buried.
I will not know if the ground has been disturbed until the day of the filming. My schedule is now set by my wives Doctor so when I can do this I do not know….

In this instance, it has nothing to do with the value of the find, it has to do with the validity of the find. If you tape yourself walking to a little pile of loose soil and pulling a gold coin out of it, what have you proved? Nothing at all, from a proof point of view. Anyone at all could have placed that coin there prior to the beginning of your filming.

So in other words you are telling that I have no reason to even do this….What's new. You will just continue to spout you own party line anyway. I well not do this for a bunch of jerks. I will do it for the real people who come here hoping to learning something…Art

 

[davebien]

500 feet Boy, that IS a long distance to at least visually check. Art, I try to be open minded about these things, but let me tell you that you are not helping your case with some of these posts.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: My Movie
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500 feet Boy, that IS a long distance to at least visually check. Art, I try to be open minded about these things, but let me tell you that you are not helping your case with some of these posts.

500 feet is a short distance for these tools to pick something up. I picked up a ¾ oz. gold nugget at 6 miles one day. I recovered it the next day. I normally set my distance at ¼ miles now. You have to remember that each of these different LRL’s and MFD’s manufacturers will tell you the limits for their equipment. I own one that will search 64 square miles at a time.
I am not trying to make my case. Just trying to tell people the truth…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Well, good for you, but what does any of this have to do with your inability to videotape yourself recovering an unknown target from a patch of undisturbed ground?

Boy are you hard headed…I have told this forum that I have found a Silver signal that I will try to film. My estimate of the target is ¾ of an ounce. It is under 500 feet from this spot. This target could be a whole lot of different items. It could be a few quarters or a few dimes or a few flakes of silver or something that someone has buried.
I will not know if the ground has been disturbed until the day of the filming. My schedule is now set by my wives Doctor so when I can do this I do not know….

I'm hard-headed? You've been avoiding this particular question in mine for a week now, always changing the subject. And now you say you've been telling me about a silver target that you know the location of? Great, break out the camera and go get it. Even working around your wife's schedule, how long does it really take to walk 500 feet and dig a hole?

As far as knowing if the ground is disturbed, this smells like an excuse brewing. What's the problem with taking a walk over there now and getting a good look at the area? Why on Earth can you not do this prior to filming?

 

[aarthrj3811]

As far as knowing if the ground is disturbed, this smells like an excuse brewing. What's the problem with taking a walk over there now and getting a good look at the area? Why on Earth can you not do this prior to filming?

I have not even made the movie yet you are already giving your Skeptic excuses

Maybe Art can find someone else in his trailer park to assist him. Maybe one to hold the camera...one to wave a healthy-sized gold nugget on the side of the gimmick whilst Art controls the gimmick

Seems to be wish full thinking on your part. Don’t you ever get tired of your imagination controlling your every thought ?...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

As far as knowing if the ground is disturbed, this smells like an excuse brewing. What's the problem with taking a walk over there now and getting a good look at the area? Why on Earth can you not do this prior to filming?

I have not even made the movie yet you are already giving your Skeptic excuses

Swing and a miss, Art! Surprise, surprise.....

This is your excuse, Art. You say that you know that there is 3/4 of an ounce of silver 500 feet away. Despite this very specific information, you say that you don't know if the ground is undisturbed or not. All you'd have to do to verify this is to walk 500 feet, but somehow this taks isn't possible?

My prediction, you won't go anywhere near the "target" till you walk there with your camera and find.....?? What? A pile of loose dirt with a few silver dimes scattered through it?

This isn't an excuse from me, Art, it's a warning to you. If you post this video, and it comes out as I've described here, don't expect any applause. If this is the case, save yourself (and us) the time, and search for a new target, or just forget the whole thing, as you seem hell-bent on doing everything but the one simple request that has been made of you.

 

[aarthrj3811]

This is your excuse, Art. You say that you know that there is 3/4 of an ounce of silver 500 feet away. Despite this very specific information, you say that you don't know if the ground is undisturbed or not. All you'd have to do to verify this is to walk 500 feet, but somehow this taks isn't possible?

When I walk up there it will be the first time for me. You know that to find the object I will have to set on the exact spot. Until the time of filming you can bet your last dollar that I will not go there.

My prediction, you won't go anywhere near the "target" till you walk there with your camera and find.....?? What? A pile of loose dirt with a few silver dimes scattered through it?
How many Dimes does it take to get an estimate of ¾ oz. You have not been reading my post very carefully or you would know the answer to your question.
This isn't an excuse from me, Art, it's a warning to you. If you post this video, and it comes out as I've described here, don't expect any applause. If this is the case, save yourself (and us) the time, and search for a new target, or just forget the whole thing, as you seem hell-bent on doing everything but the one simple request that has been made of you.

Whoa… I got it AF….My movies are making you think about your belief system. I know when you see this tool do the stuff that you believe that it will not do it is a little intimidating. I promise you that this next movie will completely destroy your belief system…Art

 

[Saturna]

I know when you see this tool do the stuff that you believe that it will not do it is a little intimidating. I promise you that this next movie will completely destroy your belief system…Art

You should write ad copy for Ginsu knifes and 'miracle cleaners' for trade shows and late night TV info-mercials..

 

[ClonedSIM]

This is your excuse, Art. You say that you know that there is 3/4 of an ounce of silver 500 feet away. Despite this very specific information, you say that you don't know if the ground is undisturbed or not. All you'd have to do to verify this is to walk 500 feet, but somehow this taks isn't possible?

When I walk up there it will be the first time for me. You know that to find the object I will have to set on the exact spot. Until the time of filming you can bet your last dollar that I will not go there.

My prediction, you won't go anywhere near the "target" till you walk there with your camera and find.....?? What? A pile of loose dirt with a few silver dimes scattered through it?
How many Dimes does it take to get an estimate of ¾ oz. You have not been reading my post very carefully or you would know the answer to your question.
This isn't an excuse from me, Art, it's a warning to you. If you post this video, and it comes out as I've described here, don't expect any applause. If this is the case, save yourself (and us) the time, and search for a new target, or just forget the whole thing, as you seem hell-bent on doing everything but the one simple request that has been made of you.

Whoa… I got it AF….My movies are making you think about your belief system. I know when you see this tool do the stuff that you believe that it will not do it is a little intimidating. I promise you that this next movie will completely destroy your belief system…Art

Okay Art, I'm now completely convinced that you have a tough time with English....... I'm telling you to go check out the spot before making your video. If the target you found is hidden in a pile of loose dirt, or in the sand in a volleyball pit, then don't waste your time making the video.

Art, your movies, so far, have only made me think that you can't follow even the simplest of instructions, and has merely reinforced my thoughts about LRLs. And we're all still waiting for the belief-system destroying evidence you've prattled on about for months..... Somehow I doubt this video will be anything you haven't shown us before, especially with the whole song-and-dance routine you've prefaced it with.

 

[Ted Groves]

Still waiting for Art to make the move of him using the L-rod holding gimmick....stepping on a coin and the rods crossing.

That will be the clincher. It will seal the deal. It will bring this chapter to an end. It will zip-zing, flippity-flap

That would do it alright. Problem is, Art knows he can't step on a coin and get his dowsing rods to indicate (while mounted in the fixture); so he is not about to make that movie.

In the meantime, he will keep changing the subject, composing nonsense postings and generally just be the old Art with which we are all familiar.

By refusing to make the simple video above; he has essentially told us in no uncertain terms, that he CANNOT STEP ON A COIN AND GET HIS RODS TO MOVE, WHEN MOUNTED IN THE FIXTURE.

Thanks, Art.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Okay Art, I'm now completely convinced that you have a tough time with English....... I'm telling you to go check out the spot before making your video. If the target you found is hidden in a pile of loose dirt, or in the sand in a volleyball pit, then don't waste your time making the video.

Darn AF..I will not disturbed anything on purpose .I will not go and find the exact spot. No foot prints will be there I hope. You will not stop me from finding a UNKNOWN TARGET. I will relax and go thought my normal Treasure hung routine. The only comments that you will be able to say is I SAW HIS HANDS MOVE which we all know is what every skeptic say’s when the have been embarrassed by people who know how to use their tools….