More smoke and mirrors from the state.

Goldwasher said:
Hey, Barry. Whats the count on the attempt to change the mining acts?
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About 148 times by my reckoning. The last two successful changes were the FLPMA in 1976 and The Placer millsite Act in 1960.

This latest version has been put in committee every budget since 2003. Introducing it makes a few Congressmen look good to their greenie constituents but it's never been a serious bill with a chance of passing. :sleepy2:
 

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*Cringe* no one calls it "Cali'. NorCal, SoCal, California are acceptable. :icon_thumleft:
 

Thankfully we have standup guys Like Doc Hastings, Doug LaMalfa, Tom McClintock, whom listen to their constituency


Federal Land Managers Intimidation, Bullying Threaten Citizens Rights, Create a Hostile Environment
WASHINGTON, D.C., July 24, 2014 - Thankfully we have standup guys Like Doc Hastings, Doug LaMalfa,Tom McClintockToday, the Subcommittee on Public Lands and Environmental Regulations held an oversight hearing on “Threats, Intimidation and Bullying by Federal Land Managing Agencies.” This hearing continued Committee oversight into bullying by federal land management agencies and federal law enforcement agencies on private, state, and federal lands. State and local governments, ranchers, business owners, and private citizens have been subject to threats, lack of cooperation, and numerous unfair or heavy-handed tactics which threaten public safety, the environment, endangered species, and the livelihoods of communities. Congressional oversight is necessary to provide an effective check on federal officials who abuse their regulatory powers.
Federal Land Managers Intimidation, Bullying Threaten Citizens Rights, Create a Hostile Environment - House Committee on Natural Resources
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2cmorau said:
Thankfully we have standup guys Like Doc Hastings, Doug LaMalfa, Tom McClintock, whom listen to their constituency


Federal Land Managers Intimidation, Bullying Threaten Citizens Rights, Create a Hostile Environment
WASHINGTON, D.C., July 24, 2014 - Thankfully we have standup guys Like Doc Hastings, Doug LaMalfa,Tom McClintockToday, the Subcommittee on Public Lands and Environmental Regulations held an oversight hearing on “Threats, Intimidation and Bullying by Federal Land Managing Agencies.” This hearing continued Committee oversight into bullying by federal land management agencies and federal law enforcement agencies on private, state, and federal lands. State and local governments, ranchers, business owners, and private citizens have been subject to threats, lack of cooperation, and numerous unfair or heavy-handed tactics which threaten public safety, the environment, endangered species, and the livelihoods of communities. Congressional oversight is necessary to provide an effective check on federal officials who abuse their regulatory powers.
Federal Land Managers Intimidation, Bullying Threaten Citizens Rights, Create a Hostile Environment - House Committee on Natural Resources
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It's not a quote of an article if you add text. It also has nothing to do with the legislators intent to make mining all but impossible.

Wow they held two meetings in over a year. Shows real concern! Do we still call it concern being that they didn't actually do anything to stop the abuse?

Did anyone bother to look at the multitude of other acts and bills that the subcommittee on public lands and enviroment are working on? Oh gezzz the same subcommittee that just introduced a bill to reform the 1872 mining act. The same people who are so concerned about abusive rangers that they held two meetings in over a year!

It looks like im beating a dead horse trying to get any of you to stand up and do something and help yourself so im just going to have to sit back with you and watch the house burn down.
 

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Clay Diggins said:
About 148 times by my reckoning. The last two successful changes were the FLPMA in 1976 and The Placer millsite Act in 1960.

This latest version has been put in committee every budget since 2003. Introducing it makes a few Congressmen look good to their greenie constituents but it's never been a serious bill with a chance of passing. :sleepy2:
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Abraham Lincoln lost his run for how many offices before he was elected president?

BTW the mining act is 142 years old.

Keep sleeping and one of these days small scale recreational mining will be extinct!
 

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"It looks like im beating a dead horse trying to get any of you to stand up and do something and help yourself so im just going to have to sit back with you and watch the house burn down."


im beating a dead horse
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small scale recreational mining will be extinct!

Can not go extinct if there never was.
 

Recreational? Being on the end of a shovel for many , many hours cannot be compared to golf or checkers. What is your
agenda ?
 

rodoconnor said:
Recreational? Being on the end of a shovel for many , many hours cannot be compared to golf or checkers. What is your
agenda ?
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My agenda WAS to inform everyone of what our politicians are doing to end mining as we know it and get them to join together and fight. Obviously none are interested in doing anything. They must think if they ignore the issues the issues will just go away.

I can't fight alone so I'm going to sit back and watch it happen.

Recreational mining will be no more!
 

You live on the east coast none of these issues affect you. You are not fighting for anything. In fact you have not been on this forum or any other long enough to even know the background and efforts of the people here who are making you look extremely foolish. You post links that back up the facts we present continually yet, claim we aren't listening to you. How can you post links to cases and events where the subject is about people standing up for their constitutional rights and say miners are blind, unknowing and unwilling to fight? How can you, in the face of people who are saying we know the laws and will stay within them, and that we won't let unlawful regulations and propaganda stop us from doing something we have been doing for years and decades, call us the problem? You are saying we can't do something we know we can and accuse us of doing nothing, and just standing by. You have not been paying attention. You use links taken out of context and without complete text to try to prove some point and claim to be trying to help. You are helping nothing. There is no such thing as "Recreational Mining"
 

You are the one saying Brandon's case won't matter. He could have folded he hasn't. The cases in San Bernadino. Standing up to the overstepping rangers in A.S.R.A. The protests in Idaho where the E.P.A didn't even bother to show even though they were pretty much called out. You give yourself way to much credit considering you do not share company with any of these upstanding miners. I can't think of a single campfire anyone would want to share with a person who tries to help the way you do.
 

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Goldwasher said:
You live on the east coast none of these issues affect you. You are not fighting for anything. In fact you have not been on this forum or any other long enough to even know the background and efforts of the people here who are making you look extremely foolish. You post links that back up the facts we present continually yet, claim we aren't listening to you. How can you post links to cases and events where the subject is about people standing up for their constitutional rights and say miners are blind, unknowing and unwilling to fight? How can you, in the face of people who are saying we know the laws and will stay within them, and that we won't let unlawful regulations and propaganda stop us from doing something we have been doing for years and decades, call us the problem? You are saying we can't do something we know we can and accuse us of doing nothing, and just standing by. You have not been paying attention. You use links taken out of context and without complete text to try to prove some point and claim to be trying to help. You are helping nothing. There is no such thing as "Recreational Mining"
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When they amend the Clean Water Act from navigable waters to all waters it is going to affect me and everyone who mines in every State. Even those who use drywashers in a drywash.

The 2012 tnet about stealing property from his claim... What was the outcome... Nothing! They got away with it!

The rest of your statements are as absurd as your there is no such thing as recreational mining statement. https://www.google.com/search?q=rec...google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8

You seem to comprehend everything the opposite of reality.
 

chlsbrns said:
When they amend the Clean Water Act from navigable waters to all waters it is going to affect me and everyone who mines in every State. Even those who use drywashers in a drywash.

The 2012 tnet about stealing property from his claim... What was the outcome... Nothing! They got away with it!

The rest of your statements are as absurd as your there is no such thing as recreational mining statement. https://www.google.com/search?q=rec...google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8

You seem to comprehend everything the opposite of reality.
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LOL.....No they didn't Hefty got his stuff back.....YOU DON'T READ
 

I think that most rational people would agree that recreation and mining are contradictory terms.
 

"recreational mining" was a term coined to take the rights from prospectors. Again you using it is hurting not helping.
 

Goldwasher said:
LOL.....No they didn't Hefty got his stuff back.....YOU DON'T READ
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Post me a link to him getting his stuff back. I wasn't about to read 20 pages of tnet posts. I read the first page and the last page two years later where someone was asking what the outcome was.
 

Goldwasher said:
"recreational mining" was a term coined to take the rights from prospectors. Again you using it is hurting not helping.
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Hummmm... There is a difference between prospecting and mining.
 

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