More depth on the XLT???

[xdanthemanx]

you have to set up your own programs its that simple.
if your using the coins and jew program a simple way to get some depth is to modify your
disc.
accept at least - 50 and up will get you some depth if your using the 9.5 coil you can get 8-10 " depending on your ground
turn off accumulation

i usually jack the machine up until it starts to get efi and then back it off just slightly, you tend to get a bit of extra noise but it works

have you tried the berzerk program also? depending again on your soil this program has some excellent results , if your familiar with all the expert settings you can get it to stabilize real quick. I got this from another board member a while back in case you havent seen this here it is.

I hear the silly brand arguments all the time and its b.s. white's fisher tesoro i have yet to have anyone check my area and pull up something i missed. although i will say the f75 does get a better lock on deeper targets i still didnt miss the items.




Target Volume 50
Audio Threshold 25
Tone (Audio Freq.) 220
Audio Disc ON
Silent Search OFF
Mixed Mode OFF
A.C. Sensitiviy 45
D.C. Sensitivity 30
Backlight 0
Viewing Angle 25

PRO OPTIONS: AUDIO

Ratchet Pinpointing ON
S.A.T Speed 7
Tone I.D. OFF
V.C.O. ON
Absolute Value OFF
Modulation OFF
G.E.B./TRAC
Autotrac ON
Trac View ON
Autotrac Speed 14
Autotrac Offset 1
Trac Inhibit ON
Coarse G.E.B. AUTO
Fine G.E.B. AUTO

DISCRIMINATION

Accept -50 to + 95
Reject -95 to -51
Learn Accept OFF
Learn Reject OFF
Recovery Speed 15
Bottlecap Reject 1

DISPLAY

Visual Disc. ON
Icons OFF
V.D.I. Sensitivity 88
D.C. Phase ON
Graph. Averaging ON
Graph. Accumulating ON
Fade Rate 9

SIGNAL

Transmit Boost ON
Transmit Frequency 4
Preamp Gain 15
If you take notice, this program is "backwards" as it used the Pre-Amp gain more-so than the A.C. Sens. In my opinion, this gets you the depth. That, plus you have opened up the -50 VDI numbers which allow for more sensitivity which is equaled as depth. Yes, you will get ferrous and non-ferrous hits, but you being the professional hunter you are, you'll know which to dig.

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION!
After you have installed this program and go out to try it, you're probably going to see that when you ground balance, it will say "OVERLOAD". And then you'll say an explicative that isn't allowed here. Don't worry! Ground balance ONE MORE time! The "OVERLOAD" should go away. Once you start searching, you're going to hear the iron targets. If the machine becomes unstable, try ground balancing once more and if that doesn't fix the problem, back down the Pre-Amp Gain, NOT the A.C. Sensitivity.

As I mentioned, you will hear some iron targets. But, also as I mentioned, this opens up more sensitivity which equals depth. What you're going to want to PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to is the FAINT targets. These targets are going to require you to speed the coil up as you pass over the area. Once you speed your swing up, you will get a good solid signal. Once this is achieved, you'll want to pinpoint the area. It's probably going to be deep so BE PREPARED!

All of these coins I dug today were 8-10 inches. All of these coins had FAINT signals that I had to speed the coil over the target area to get a steady, solid signal.

 

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[Sarge]

I dis-agree with all the logic here.... think of this... how many people would cherry pick that park and dig only silver signals? Those IH's come up as screw caps for alot of users and many wont mess with taking the time to dig them......... It seems to me that you are hunting a place that you have been fortunate to pull out the IH's etc.... someone or many have cherry picked all the higher tone signals I would say

Randy

Randy what I meant was if he's finding Indians he should be finding silver coins, maybe more modern ones but still silver. Like you said most silver has probably been picked out due to their unmistakeable VDI compared to the much lower (trash type) VDI of an Indian. Finding Indians is a good indication that his detector is going deep enough to find silver. I've found, & this is profound,that if there ain't any deep targets to be found you ain't gonna find them. You just have to have faith in your detector that it'll get the deep,old stuff if it's there.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Okay, say I'm using the Jewelry Mode on the XLT with a jacked up pre-amp and sensitivity in a park that has produced wheats back to 1910 but silver no older than about 1930's-ish.

Can someone give me an idea of what to listen for if I was hunting Indians?

 

[George (MN)]

You may not like this idea, but the XLT will go much deeper in *non-motion* all metal (trigger forward) than in motion mode. I air tested with a Kennedy Half. At stable settings inside house 10" in motion mode & 18" in non-motion mode! I read of someone in Baltimore who used non-motion on XLT & dug anything beyond 4" that seemed right size & shape for a coin. I can understand their desparation as I read a detectorist in Baltimore found 1800s silver coins to 7" deep back in the 1970s.

As for reasons why Indians & no silver, a few possibilities. Pennies have more halo effect than dimes, besides being larger. On the larger coins, it takes them more years to get to the same depth- I found 1800s quarters at same depth as pennies that were much newer, in the same areas. Also, in 1900 average wage was 25 cents an hour, so if they knew they lost a coin, they might bother to look for it.

Some people just didn't bring a bunch of money to a place they weren't planning on spending any. I'd guess many didn't even carry a wallet, but may have carried a tiny coin container ("purse") so they wouldn't lose them if pocket had tiny hole or if they reached in their pocket for something else.

Metro Buffalo has a huge # of parks old enough to produce 1800s coins, but 40 years of detecting & all the renovations doesn't make finding those older coins easy, that's for sure. I've not found pennies as old as you have, & I've been detecting with a variety of detectors since 1976. HH, George (MN)

 

[minton7]

mixed mode has helped me alot.. once you get used to the choppy signals..... I went 10" with my XLT for a miner tag the size of a quarter....... and even hit shollower coins that I had missed before... esp in holes that had multiple coins or coins and trash.. that mode seems to help out in many ways.. but I wouldnt use it the first time to a trashy spot.. the signals will drive you insane LOL

Randy

 

[xdanthemanx]

well on my machine you have to know by what you hear when you come across an indian head first youl get a scattery signal but it will be repeatable showing a penny dime, depending on how fast you scan it it will bounce back from penny to quarter,heres the real pisser
once you scoop it out of the hole it will almost disappear from your machine completely unless you toggle to all metal so before you just push the dirt back in the hole get out your pinpointer

myself ang my hunting partner have netted about 12 indians the last few weeks my oldest 2 weeks ago 1865 @ 9" not a guessed 9" i have a scale on my digger , 6 of them came out of the same site in about 45 minutes. im using an xlt and hes using an f75 and they sounded identical on both machines

dan

 

[ICE ADDICT]

Thank you EVERYBODY for the overwhelming # of replies! Thanx for all the advice and theories as to what may be the reason for my lack of depth for coins. I will print out this whole thread and when the ground thaws out next spring put some of these ideas to the test..

Thank you ALL again!