Hi all.
New here.
I live on Aruba a small island in the Caribbean. English is not the first language here so sorry for any mistakes in spelling.
Been trying to follow all your discussions on LUE map etc. it is a lot of data.
Great that you share some knowledge and points of view on the matter.
What is the big idea? To share points of view in order to find this treasure together ? or just to find it?
Is there any website which is holding all concrete or seemingly concrete findings together? I mean I like to compare notes and share of course. It would seem more effective to list concepts and ideas in a concentrated way.
I just like talking about treasure sites I have some understanding about. I like to share what I can, and I like to be exposed to new points of view. When you have an interest in something, it's easy to get locked into a certain way of thinking...alternative points of view area great way to break free of that.
I have no intention of making a recovery on the LUE at this point, I'm a researcher, plain and simple. I like to read, i like to chase down leads, I like to talk to people with mutual interests. I also come here because a few folks that know Von Mueller still lurk around and I like having a glimpse into the things Kalr Von Mueller did and the era in which he did his best work.
I like the idea of cracking this map together. However here are some basic questions I have. If anybody is willing to answer and help out so I can contribute as well.
Who has the real map? which institution or museum or other?
Anybody has the dimensions of the real map?
Anybody has a complete picture of the real map. Since LUE acronym was further described and mentioned to be noted on the side of the map. I have not seen such a picture yet.
Any other clues pertaining to this map? In text or additional documents?
It seems that in some book 2 people broke this code already? I guess they are not claiming they did? Anybody else claimed finding it?
Igadbois is incorrect, KvM disclosed how he came by the map, in as much as he could, on several occasions:
•NPG (1969): “The original map as copied and reproduced in the THM-7 was owned by a man who lived in or near Phoenix. The map had been in his family for years and has been seen by dozens of people prior to 1960. Despite this, there are several others who claim to have the original map in their possession.”
•ToVoS (1971): 1955 “Hardrock Hammond had come into possession of the LUE map and several of us were copying it (it had to be returned to the owner after we had copied it).”
The "real" map is presumably still in the hands of the last known owner, who that is, is not public knowledge. Your best glimpse (presumably) into the map is through the ORIGINAL version of the Treasure Hunter's Manual #7. That would be the 1966 version published by The Gold Bug. RAM publishing bought the rights to the book and began reprinting it in 1972. This is the version most people are familiar with but they made at least 2 subtle changes to the LUE map so most people are familiar with a modified version. How much impact the changes make on interpretation and recovery is anyone's guess.
Astute observation about the word LUE and Von Mueller's statements that he was presenting the complete map. Von Mueller wrote on several occasions that he got the word "LUE" from the first three letters of three words n the map. There are versions about of what those words were and how to interpret them. So far as I know, von Mueller never published that information. A writer in the early 1980s by the name of Boyd Jolley published parts of a letter from a correspondence with Von Mueller where we get the words: Lloro, Urrana and Enterrari Ultimately, it remains ot be seen if Von Mueller endorsed these words as being on the map, further research might solve this question at some point (I hope).
2 that broke the map, one would have been (at the time) Karl Von Mueller himself, the other would most likely either be Hardrock Hammond or Montana Larry Campbell. Montana Larry supposedly recovered a cache of LUE gold at Black Lake, NM along with Karl. A recent article I came across indicates Karl made a LUE recovery in 1957. Karl himself reported in the NPG of many other recoveries made after the map was published in 1966.
Will ask more later. Still wondering if you will welcome newbies.
I do have some theories already and like to share however I may just sound ridiculous. First I like to have more real information to verify and confirm my theories and ideas.
Hope to get some positive info.[/QUOTE]
Always welcome, good thread like this always needs fresh ideas...welcome aboard....
