LUE MAP THEORY, MAYBE SOME CONTEXT

[mdog]

As a Mason, which might mean I am biased, admittedly, this looks very Masonic to me..... not Spanish. Of course, I am no LUE expert, but I do consider myself a Masonic one, and using my "Masonic sense," etc... The author's use of the word Shibboleth (not a spanish word) was the clue, for me, to look at this 'map' Masonically and when I did......boy does it sceam MASONRY. Can you tell me what is Spanish about this 'map?' Did the Spanish use many pyramids, stair-steps, bricks, pillars, and all-seeing-eyes in their maps? (Masons use them all the time, not necessarily in maps though.....) Honest question. I'm not arguing. And when I say it looks Masonic, I am referring to the 'map' itself and not any GE images with lines on top, and of course, the author's use of the word Shibboleth.

The bottom, shaded area of Rayano's overlay shows a lot of Masonic symbolism. Like you said, it screams MASONRY.

 

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[cuzimloony]

Here are lot of the major elements of that map in this Masonic candle here. Triangles, pyramids, blazing stars, bricks, all seeing eye.....

 

[cuzimloony]

The bottom, shaded area of Rayano's overlay shows a lot of Masonic symbolism. Like you said, it screams MASONRY.

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The top does too.

 

[mdog]

Here are lot of the major elements of that map in this Masonic candle here. Triangles, pyramids, blazing stars, bricks, all seeing eye..... View attachment 2182714

That's cool. the pyramid is divided into three sections like the small triangle in the lower right quadrant of the LUE map. What is the significance of the pyramid, if you can tell us?

 

[mdog]

The top does too.

Do you have an opinion of the LUE map, could it have been a study guide Tracing Board for the Masonic degrees?

 

[cuzimloony]

Do you have an opinion of the LUE map, could it have been a study guide Tracing Board for the Masonic degrees?

I don't see this being very useful as a tracing board, as we typically use them.
Who knows though... I guess somebody out there may have thought differently, but tracing boards are for deep truths, not strange puzzles. This is a strange puzzle to me. I dont know. Lol, but again I don't see use in this as a tracing board. I wish Ib could tell you better, but I am honestly lost as to what it is, but its inclusion in a treasure book that says its a map written by a man known for honesty, leads me to say map...but I honestly dont know :/

 

[Ryano]

mdog,

Your work, as usual, is very compelling and I’m much less skeptical than before that the LUE has a Masonic heritage thanks to your deep dive.

maybe it’s worth looking in detail at what KVM published when his readers were supposedly cracking the LUE code and reported their recoveries to him ?

I don’t have access to Randy’s books (mine are in storage in another state) otherwise I’d look myself, because Randy did a fine job of indexing all the instances of LUE mentions in the Prospector’s Gazette. Building upon ideas that you and others have previously suggested or hinted at - I’m thinking… what if this was an armchair treasure hunt of sorts by KVM, for Masons who would recognize the LUE symbology as such, and they would discreetly confirm their recognition to him by using numbers sacred to Masons ?

For example, KVM might report: “Mr. Johnson of Phoenix recovered 7 gold bars and 11 pots of silver..”

I realize my hypothesis suggests that no one really went looking for LUE treasure; that it was just a game for KVM to identify fellow treasure-hunting Masons via the Postal Service, a wink and secret handshake of sorts. It’s just a thought I had but I do much prefer the idea there is (or was) a huge hoard of gold out there waiting to be discovered

 

[mdog]

mdog,

Your work, as usual, is very compelling and I’m much less skeptical than before that the LUE has a Masonic heritage thanks to your deep dive.

maybe it’s worth looking in detail at what KVM published when his readers were supposedly cracking the LUE code and reported their recoveries to him ?

I don’t have access to Randy’s books (mine are in storage in another state) otherwise I’d look myself, because Randy did a fine job of indexing all the instances of LUE mentions in the Prospector’s Gazette. Building upon ideas that you and others have previously suggested or hinted at - I’m thinking… what if this was an armchair treasure hunt of sorts by KVM, for Masons who would recognize the LUE symbology as such, and they would discreetly confirm their recognition to him by using numbers sacred to Masons ?

For example, KVM might report: “Mr. Johnson of Phoenix recovered 7 gold bars and 11 pots of silver..”

I realize my hypothesis suggests that no one really went looking for LUE treasure; that it was just a game for KVM to identify fellow treasure-hunting Masons via the Postal Service, a wink and secret handshake of sorts. It’s just a thought I had but I do much prefer the idea there is (or was) a huge hoard of gold out there waiting to be discovered

Hi Ryano,

In my theory of the map, there are three things that make it a treasure map, the two dots in the lower right quadrant and the Sun rays. I understand that the first edition had both dots in the lower right quadrant but the Ram edition, the one I have, didn't. Maybe Cuzimloony can confirm that the two dots also make the circle and the large triangle Masonic symbols, the point in the center of the circle and the all seeing eye in the triangle. Also, von Mueller's use of the word "Shibboleth" in his caption below the LUE map. So it could be that the picture with the dots that he put in the first addition was, like you suggested, a heads up to other Masons.

I hadn't considered that he might have used reports of LUE recoveries as coded information, but it's a good idea.

I don't think von Mueller created the LUE but I think he knew what it was. He also mentioned in his LUE caption that anybody who figured out the LUE would never be able to carry away all the riches they discovered. Maybe because there were no material treasures.

You are also correct that the LUE map could have been created at a desk with no work in the field.

That overlay you made is fantastic and shows a high level of planning by the creator of the LUE map. Thanks again.

 

[cuzimloony]

In Commandary (Templar Lodge) this week we had a special Christmas Observation. The general public was invited. Family and friend were walking around taking pictures of the Lodge. There were very high ranking people w/i the organization there and nobody cared so..... As I said earlier, this is on the facebook page and now surely on the pages of anyone who attended. I feel safe posting this.
This painting is what tells me to look at this map Masonically.

 

[mdog]

In Commandary (Templar Lodge) this week we had a special Christmas Observation. The general public was invited. Family and friend were walking around taking pictures of the Lodge. There were very high ranking people w/i the organization there and nobody cared so..... As I said earlier, this is on the facebook page and now surely on the pages of anyone who attended. I feel safe posting this.
This painting is what tells me to look at this map Masonically.
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Would this be the representation of "Shibboleth", the falling water and the sheaf of wheat? There also seems to be an eye shape in the tree and five stepping stones in the river. Was it this painting and the word "Shibboleth" in the LUE caption that got your attention?