LUE MAP THEORY, MAYBE SOME CONTEXT

[cuzimloony]

St. John the Baptist and St. John the Evangelist are also represented on the LUE map. The shallow curve that goes across the LUE map represents a celestial map. The high place on the right side of the curve, is June 22 and the low point on the left side of the curve is December 22. Both of these dates are close to the celebration of the special days for both saints.

What is on top of these pillars? The earthly sphere, and the celestial one..... As above, so below...but, there are SPIRITUAL implications here too....

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[mdog]

What is on top of these pillars? The earthly sphere, and the celestial one.....

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Yes, and if you look at the top of the columns on the Harris painting, you will see a representation of each.

Something else you might want to look at is the small triangle on the low right quadrant of the LUE map. From what I've read, Enoch found a gold triangle that measured a cubit on each side. I think that small triangle on the LUE map might represent that golden triangle and the measurement of one cubit and I think the two horizontal columns that the triangle separates, represent Jachin and Boaz.

 

[cuzimloony]

Yes, and if you look at the top of the columns on the Harris painting, you will see a representation of each.

Something else you might want to look at is the small triangle on the low right quadrant of the LUE map. From what I've read, Enoch found a gold triangle that measured a cubit on each side. I think that small triangle on the LUE map might represent that golden triangle and the measurement of one cubit and I think the two horizontal columns that the triangle separates, represent Jachin and Boaz.

Did you figure out what was written on that golden triangle?
Enoch is not in the second degree, however he does appear eventually.

 

[cuzimloony]

I think you may have responded to a post I just deleted, and now it's gone. My apologies. I was just going to clarify a bit about Masons helping each other. Long story short..... sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. It depends on the Mason and the circumstance.

 

[mdog]

Did you figure out what was written on that golden triangle?
Enoch is not in the second degree, however he does appear eventually.

The Holy name, I believe.

Wasn't the gold triangle on the alter?

 

[cuzimloony]

I think you're on to something man. I really do. I haven't looked into the map coordinates and the Kensington(?) stone and all that, but overall, in general, I do believe this is Masonic. There are too many things on here not to be. The 5 steps (which are not the final steps in to the middle chamber......), the checkerboard floor (not pavement, imho), the blazing star, the all seeing eye (created by the overlap of two circles, which COULD be the same meaning as the dot in the circumpunct...the Alpha or creator or BEGINNING of it all...), the pyramids and triangles, the circumpunct Alpha/Omega symbol itself and corresponding tangental parallel lines, the pillar..... all Masonic. All of it.
I'm excited to see what comes of this. I'll input when/where I can and when it seems relevant. If you're not a Mason, I'm impressed. Good work.

 

[cuzimloony]

Also..... here is a bit of insight into how Masons/Templars designed symbols using the tools of the Masonic trade ( and possibly map overlays........... Im looking at you KGC cashe hunters...but I really have no idea about that in all honesty as I've never found KGC anything.......)
If nothing else, this is a fun example of symbol design, as done by ancient Templars and the like...
It may be helpful here.... But maybe not. But in any case..... I would create circles first, and lines second.

 

[mdog]

Also..... here is a bit of insight into how Masons/Templars designed symbols using the tools of the Masonic trade ( and possibly map overlays........... Im looking at you KGC cashe hunters...but I really have no idea about that in all honesty as I've never found KGC anything.......)
If nothing else, this is a fun example of symbol design, as done by ancient Templars and the like...
It may be helpful here.... But maybe not. But in any case..... I would create circles first, and lines second.

Thank you for the video. The results were beautiful. I liked the Easter Egg part, lol.

 

[mdog]

I think you're on to something man. I really do. I haven't looked into the map coordinates and the Kensington(?) stone and all that, but overall, in general, I do believe this is Masonic. There are too many things on here not to be. The 5 steps (which are not the final steps in to the middle chamber......), the checkerboard floor (not pavement, imho), the blazing star, the all seeing eye (created by the overlap of two circles, which COULD be the same meaning as the dot in the circumpunct...the Alpha or creator or BEGINNING of it all...), the pyramids and triangles, the circumpunct Alpha/Omega symbol itself and corresponding tangental parallel lines, the pillar..... all Masonic. All of it.
I'm excited to see what comes of this. I'll input when/where I can and when it seems relevant. If you're not a Mason, I'm impressed. Good work.

I'm very glad that you decided to post. I'm not a Mason but I have learned a lot about the brotherhood since last March. I have been hoping that a Mason would post on the thread and share whatever information he could. Thank you very much.

It wasn't until I looked hard at the Masonic Tracing Boards and an article about Lady Frieda Harris and projective geometry that things started making sense.

Lady Frieda Harris Masonic Tracing Boards

 

[cuzimloony]

Thank you for the video. The results were beautiful. I liked the Easter Egg part, lol.

His channel is fantastic for Masonic/Templar/Hermetic symbol knowledge. A great resource.

 

[mdog]

In my Lodge, it is shown as a sheath of wheat (or some type of grain like that), hanging from a rope next to a waterfall. We invite strangers to see the Lodge, there are pictures of this painting on the facebook page and this information seems to be freely available as shown in this thread so.... It may also mean "plenty" like the interwebs say, but we have the cornucopia for that. Also, in the bible story, if you got shibboleth wrong, you were killed in the river. Maybe that's where the arrow comes from....

You posted this in reply to a post that I made and I missed the clue that you provided. Here's my post that you replied to.

"Shibboleth is a Hebrew word that means "ear of corn" or "flood." In a Biblical story, the word was used as a password — a means to figure out who was part of your group and who wasn't. It still has that sense of identifying someone as a member of a group.

Dr. Roush said the LUE was also called the LEAUX, which is the French word for waters."

The French word LEAUX with a meaning of waters, could be a clue to the word SHIBBOLETH and the 2nd Degree Tracing Board.

I believe von Mueller said that LUE stood for

LLORO URRACA ENTERRARI​

Why would they use two different words, with the same pronunciation, to describe a map? It seems to me that the LEAUX map would be more appropriate for a map with so much Masonic symbolism.

 

[cuzimloony]

You posted this in reply to a post that I made and I missed the clue that you provided. Here's my post that you replied to.

"Shibboleth is a Hebrew word that means "ear of corn" or "flood." In a Biblical story, the word was used as a password — a means to figure out who was part of your group and who wasn't. It still has that sense of identifying someone as a member of a group.

Dr. Roush said the LUE was also called the LEAUX, which is the French word for waters."

The French word LEAUX with a meaning of waters, could be a clue to the word SHIBBOLETH and the 2nd Degree Tracing Board.

I believe von Mueller said that LUE stood for

LLORO URRACA ENTERRARI​

Why would they use two different words, with the same pronunciation, to describe a map? It seems to me that the LEAUX map would be more appropriate for a map with so much Masonic symbolism.

American and French Masonry have been fairly "split" since the late 1800's I think. I don't even think we allow visitation rights between the countries (that may vary from state to state though....not sure). Main reason is they allow atheists and women to join and for us, those are ancient precepts that cannot be broken. Because of that, by von Mueller's time I don't think there would have been much French influence, although there would have been during Revolutionary and Civil War periods. (However...this is not a rule. If a French Mason came to our Lodge, we would probably let him in..but Im not sure about that. We'd have to check the rule book. Our secretary is a stickler...). Adding to that, all of the ritual writers for the first three degrees used in the US, as far as I know, came from either London and York England, Scotland and Ireland. Neither Latin nor French are heard much in a US Lodge.
Looooooong story short. I don't know the answer to your question, but hopefully I provided a bit more context.

 

[mdog]

American and French Masonry have been fairly "split" since the late 1800's I think. I don't even think we allow visitation rights between the countries (that may vary from state to state though....not sure). Main reason is they allow atheists and women to join and for us, those are ancient precepts that cannot be broken. Because of that, by von Mueller's time I don't think there would have been much French influence, although there would have been during Revolutionary and Civil War periods. (However...this is not a rule. If a French Mason came to our Lodge, we would probably let him in..but Im not sure about that. We'd have to check the rule book. Our secretary is a stickler...). Adding to that, all of the ritual writers for the first three degrees used in the US, as far as I know, came from either London and York England, Scotland and Ireland. Neither Latin nor French are heard much in a US Lodge.
Looooooong story short. I don't know the answer to your question, but hopefully I provided a bit more context.

Thank you very much.

What about Canada? Are the American and Canadian Lodges good with each other?

 

[cuzimloony]

Thank you very much.

What about Canada? Are the American and Canadian Lodges good with each other?

Absolutely. France is the only outlier I can think of.....
Canadian ritual is in English, btw.... there might be an odd Lodge in Montreal or something that speaks French, but its English ritual in Canada for the most part.
I know of Lodges in the US that are 100% in Español, but they aren't common. They are surely the exception, even here in AZ.

 

[cuzimloony]

Maybe to make the LUE map? lol
Plenty of Masonic artists make their own interpretations of the degrees, including their own representations of the tracing boards, and sell them. Here is one from Florida who also speaks on a podcast I sometimes listen to.

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More representations of the 2nd degree, painted by a Mason for sale on his website. The arrow (plumb) is prominant. I see a lot of LUE in these paintings.......
Another thing to consider, Masons aren't always concerned with exact distances, but proportion. I dont know if that applies here, but a lot of geometry is proportional, not necesarily measured with a tape measure. I hope that makes sense.........
What you make next is based on what you made previously, proportionally....or something like that. It sounds dumb maybe, since you need to measure to figure out the proportions......but compass work is different. Hopefully you'll find a nugget to chew on there.

 

[mdog]

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More representations of the 2nd degree, painted by a Mason for sale on his website. The arrow (plumb) is prominant. I see a lot of LUE in these paintings.......
Another thing to consider, Masons aren't always concerned with exact distances, but proportion. I dont know if that applies here, but a lot of geometry is proportional, not necesarily measured with a tape measure. I hope that makes sense.........
What you make next is based on what you made previously, proportionally....or something like that. It sounds dumb maybe, since you need to measure to figure out the proportions......but compass work is differen

t. Hopefully you'll find a nugget to chew on there.

Thank you.

It seems that the Masonic artists created Tracing Boards as a source of income, and they were free to paint their interpretations of the different degrees. If that is true, there could be thousands of tracing boards that were created, over the years, and each one different. Could that be true?

Also, there's a little curly line on the bottom left quadrant of the LUE map, do you think that might represent the Shibboleth?

 

[cuzimloony]

Thank you.

It seems that the Masonic artists created Tracing Boards as a source of income, and they were free to paint their interpretations of the different degrees. If that is true, there could be thousands of tracing boards that were created, over the years, and each one different. Could that be true?

Also, there's a little curly line on the bottom left quadrant of the LUE map, do you think that might represent the Shibboleth?

"Thank you."
My pleasure!

"It seems that the Masonic artists created Tracing Boards as a source of income, and they were free to paint their interpretations of the different degrees. If that is true, there could be thousands....."
I wouldn't say thousands, but there are a lot...more than a few. And we create more than just tracing boards. As far as them being different, well, just like the Bible, everything is interpreted by the "man between the ears" of the individual so, yes.

As far as the curly line. Im in line at Home Depot so, I cant look at the map right now, but, I cant think of any reason why a curly line would represent shibboleth. I might change my mind when I get a chance to look however.....

 

[LUE-Hawn]

Greetings Everyone:

Everything in the L U E has a corresponding natural feature. You only have to use common sense and you can identify each of them. The Spanish didn’t have computers nor did they have an overview of the terrain like we do today.

Bests In Treasures

LUE-Hawn

 

[cuzimloony]

Greetings Everyone:

Everything in the L U E has a corresponding natural feature. You only have to use common sense and you can identify each of them. The Spanish didn’t have computers nor did they have an overview of the terrain like we do today.

Bests In Treasures

LUE-Hawn

As a Mason, which might mean I am biased, admittedly, this looks very Masonic to me..... not Spanish. Of course, I am no LUE expert, but I do consider myself a Masonic one, and using my "Masonic sense," etc... The author's use of the word Shibboleth (not a spanish word) was the clue, for me, to look at this 'map' Masonically and when I did......boy does it sceam MASONRY. Can you tell me what is Spanish about this 'map?' Did the Spanish use many pyramids, stair-steps, bricks, pillars, and all-seeing-eyes in their maps? (Masons use them all the time, not necessarily in maps though.....) Honest question. I'm not arguing. And when I say it looks Masonic, I am referring to the 'map' itself and not any GE images with lines on top, and of course, the author's use of the word Shibboleth.

 

[mdog]

Greetings Everyone:

Everything in the L U E has a corresponding natural feature. You only have to use common sense and you can identify each of them. The Spanish didn’t have computers nor did they have an overview of the terrain like we do today.

Bests In Treasures

LUE-Hawn

Hi LUE-Hawn,

I don't see Spanish on the LUE map but I see a lot of Masonic influence.

Please give us your interpretation of the map.