Louis XIV showed up at the "nipple site"

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

ZDD and Me

Six hours of steady swinging today at the nipple site, I call it that because I got a mid 17th C. nipple button there a couple of weeks ago.

Couldn't be more pleased with the results. Found a piece of an iron pot, and a lamp part, so if there was any kind of site there we were on it. Plus given the number of buttons, and a couple of coins.

I got a couple of firsts; (which is harder to do all the time, (after 7 years)) and makes it a good hunt.

1) french Liard either 1650's (edit, yes it's 1650's)or 1690's not sure just yet, but either way a major milestone copper for me. The first ever pos. IDable 1600's coin I've found, so am supper happy with that one. (that's one off the top ten list too)
2) a "french Marine" button, with the drilled shank
3) the small pin may be a "sweet heart pin, I'm not sure, but what we at forst thought said holy mary, I now know doesn't, it's latin same as on military badges, so any ideas ?
4) nice blow hole button
5) and a GEO II with readable date 1744

Big Time Fun.
And back at it tomorow.





First ever 1600's IDable coin









Sweet heart pin ? IDK, ROMEO ? I know you have one, but I think bigger.



3 q-tips of dirt off the pin, sitting on a quarter.



Good Luck Out There.
Rick

 

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WTG on the amazing finds! Still looking for my 1st French coin.

 

[Brian C.]

Nice coin Rick.

 

[CRUSADER]

THANKS David, very much, so I guess your saying the pin is french. I'll check out your link in a minute.
But again thanks very much for that info.

Haven't read all the posts, but its a British coat of Arms & that motto is commonly held in many of our Military Regiments.

Is the French drilled button 17th C?

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

Congrats Rick for breaking into the 1600s. That is definitely a cool coin, and one that I've never seen dug down this way. Hopefully a big early silver will show up next. HH ..... Bill

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Haven't read all the posts, but its a British coat of Arms & that motto is commonly held in many of our Military Regiments.

Is the French drilled button 17th C?

Yes got it on the pin, the COA is near same as my avitar silver.

The french marine button is "probably" 17th C. as I understand it this type/style used until 1710 or 1713. Keep in mind I may be wrong.

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Congrats Rick for breaking into the 1600s. That is definitely a cool coin, and one that I've never seen dug down this way. Hopefully a big early silver will show up next. HH ..... Bill

Thanks Bill, oh how I'd love a big silver from that time frame. Not sure when "next" chance will be, like to get at least one more dig in.

 

[CRUSADER]

Yes got it on the pin, the COA is near same as my avitar silver.

The french marine button is "probably" 17th C. as I understand it this type/style used until 1710 or 1713. Keep in mind I may be wrong.

Based on its look & construction, if I find it here I would say late 17th C. But they ones we get are not Marine buttons but Civvy.

 

[Iron Patch]

Yes got it on the pin, the COA is near same as my avitar silver.

The french marine button is "probably" 17th C. as I understand it this type/style used until 1710 or 1713. Keep in mind I may be wrong.

I'm not sure if you're wrong, but at this point I have more questions than answers. But honestly based on the questions I don't believe they are French marines.

The front has the groove on the edge, but if the website is right, it shows both variations made the same way and is different than the buttons you guys found. The Shank is also quite a bit longer, and again if the website is accurate it shows both the drilled shank and wire loop being about the same length. In addition to that early UK buttons are very familiar to me and I have seen many over the years that are very similar to what you found.... can't say an exact match, but certainly very close. On top of all that I can use my own experience because I have found a lot of these things. Only a small % have the loop intact, but for all I've found every one has been the wire type. For the over all construction they have varied slightly, but nothing close to what you guys found, so it's fairly hard to wrap my brain around digging so many of these and not a single early type? That would be like hunting an 1820s site and digging 50, 60, 70 early 1800s tokens and not a single George III. Having said all that, not only do I have a lot of doubt those two buttons are French Marines, I also have some doubt the website is accurate as I've never seen one bit of proof such a button (early drilled shank Fr. Marines) even exists. I would actually like to know the answer to this.

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

I'm not sure if you're wrong, but at this point I have more questions than answers. But honestly based on the questions I don't believe they are French marines.

The front has the groove on the edge, but if the website is right, it shows both variations made the same way and is different than the buttons you guys found. The Shank is also quite a bit longer, and again if the website is accurate it shows both the drilled shank and wire loop being about the same length. In addition to that early UK buttons are very familiar to me and I have seen many over the years that are very similar to what you found.... can't say an exact match, but certainly very close. On top of all that I can use my own experience because I have found a lot of these things. Only a small % have the loop intact, but for all I've found every one has been the wire type. For the over all construction they have varied slightly, but nothing close to what you guys found, so it's fairly hard to wrap my brain around digging so many of these and not a single early type? That would be like hunting an 1820s site and digging 50, 60, 70 early 1800s tokens and not a single George III. Having said all that, not only do I have a lot of doubt those two buttons are French Marines, I also have some doubt the website is accurate as I've never seen one bit of proof such a button (early drilled shank Fr. Marines) even exists. I would actually like to know the answer to this.

I would like to know definitively too.

I guess that is why I added "I could be wrong", as the information that I stated about the button came to me "second-handed" but the upstream source of said information I though was a good source, and I thought should have known.

Haven't seen the website to which you refer, but have to think is a slight difference in shank lenght vert important ?

As it's not what I'd call something great to look at anyway (plain janeish), if not military won't break my heart. It is only the second or third drilled shank type button I ever found, for that reason alone is a decent find...for me.

You want to post a link to that site ?

Also when you say "loop" do you mean the type that is affixed at one end only ?

I ALWAYS appreciate the correct ID. wishfull thinking don't make it so.

 

[Iron Patch]

I would like to know definitively too.

I guess that is why I added "I could be wrong", as the information that I stated about the button came to me "second-handed" but the upstream source of said information I though was a good source, and I thought should have known.

Haven't seen the website to which you refer, but have to think is a slight difference in shank lenght vert important ?

As it's not what I'd call something great to look at anyway (plain janeish), if not military won't break my heart. It is only the second or third drilled shank type button I ever found, for that reason alone is a decent find...for me.

You want to post a link to that site ?

Also when you say "loop" do you mean the type that is affixed at one end only ?

I ALWAYS appreciate the correct ID. wishfull thinking don't make it so.

Yes, I do think the length of the shank counts for a fair bit because all the wire shank ones I've found are consistent, and if the website is correct your shanks are much longer.... and as I said the face is different too.

France Page

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Yes, I do think the length of the shank counts for a fair bit because all the wire shank ones I've found are consistent, and if the website is correct you're shanks are much longer.... and as I said the face is different too.

France Page

I'd have to agree, being that it is a substancial (2X ?) difference, Steve PA did mention this (shank length) early on this thread.

So probably not military, and as CRU suggested a "civvy" . That's Still great, anything 17th C. is good to find.

 

[Guest 1551]

Wow! Too cool.

Today's the day! ~Mel Fisher

 

[Iron Patch]

I'd have to agree, being that it is a substancial (2X ?) difference, Steve PA did mention this (shank length) early on this thread.

So probably not military, and as CRU suggested a "civvy" . That's Still great, anything 17th C. is good to find.

I definitely agree they are old. I'd be quite surprised finding one here, and I'm talking sites that are 1730-1750. We find pewter buttons, and some blow hole ones. but don't recall anything as early looking.

 

[johnnyblaze]

Nice variety there Rick

1600's coin is on my wish list..

Congrats.

~Blaze~