Lost Gold? Supersticious Mountains? Need help? Map with cactus?

[gollum]

Hey Folks,

Macpoetsgirl was talking about the California Superstition Hills. I had corresponded with her dad a few times regarding this subject. Pegleglooker is right. The area is still manned and patrolled by the military, and it is still used as a bombing range (mostly blue training ordinance, but there is still old high explosive ordinance laying just under the surface there. Here is a pic from inside the range:

Roy,

There are absolutely NO Aztecs or any other type of Indian living in those hills. Because they are a granitic upthrust product of being part of the San Andreas Fault, they made all kinds of ungodly creaks and groans, which led the Indians to call them Superstitions. They are also supposed to hide the entrance to the underworld (although nobody has ever found it).

I have been through them North to South, and East to West. No lost or hidden mines. They are actually not that big. If you want to easily find them on Google Earth, just find Fish Creek Mountain. From there, look just off the East tip of Fish Creek Mt, and you will see a small string of hills to the East. Those are the Superstition Hills.

Anyone looking for lost mines and ledges, would be better served hiking just North of there, in the Santa Rosa Mountains.

Best-Mike

 

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[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigo Mike (and everyone),

Gollum wrote

Roy,

There are absolutely NO Aztecs or any other type of Indian living in those hills.

Did I say there were Aztecs or any other kind of Indians living in those hills? I can't find such a statement in any of my posts and don't recall ever making such a statement. It appears that there is some misunderstanding? I have said this several times in several threads, yet it appears that many folks are reading just the opposite of what I wrote. Here is what I posted on the subject of Aztecs or Indians still living in the Superstitions,

<oroblanco wrote>

HOLA mi amigo,

You appear to misunderstand my previous post, I agree that the idea of a group of wild Apaches still living in the Superstitions and remaining un-detected all this time is (IN MY OPINION) an extremely unlikely proposition. I do not propose that we have a group of Indios living in the Superstitions. Hence the earlier post, "A group or tribe of people trying to live and remain un-detected in North America I would say is extremely unlikely <snip>

from http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,4479.msg1035291.html#msg1035291

My point in my last post was that we are not SO good technologically speaking that people cannot escape our detection, whether in the tall tules or a big city. This is not the same as saying that there ARE wild Aztecs living in the hills, which I would say is extremely unlikely.

Gollum also wrote

I have been through them North to South, and East to West. No lost or hidden mines.

Wouldn't that statement read better as "I found no lost or hidden mines."? Rather than as a sweeping statement that implies you know every inch of those hills so intimately, that there is zero possibility that a mine could be hidden which you failed to find. Surely you are not that infallible Mike? As good as Google Earth is, a hidden mine is not going to be a simple thing to spot, and unless one has used ground-penetrating radar over every inch of the hills (and a better generation of GPR than what I have seen, which IS quite fallible - especially with rocks of differing densities) I don't think we can say with absolute certainty there is no possibility of a hidden mine being somewhere within the hills.

On the other hand, I agree with your suggestion that the Santa Rosas are a MUCH better hunting ground, and the granitic Superstitions are an unlikely place for gold deposits. However gold has a way of turning up in the most unlikely places...

Good luck and good hunting Mike and everyone, I truly do hope you find the treasures that you seek.
your friend in 'Dakota Territory'
Roy ~ Oroblanco

<EDIT> Dang it, forgot the COFFEE! It has been one of those days!

 

[gollum]

Hey Roy,

First, I will use the term "Superstition Hills" when referring to the California Location, versus "Superstition Mountains" when referring to the Arizona Location.

You did say EXTREMELY UNLIKELY, but that still leaves room (even though its' just a bit) for there to be unknown Indians living there. I can say unequivocally that there are no Indians LIVING in those hills at all. I emphasized LIVING, because there is a constant flow of illegals in and around there, but nothing permanent as there are no water sources there. You have to go further West into the Park for that.

With the possible exceptions of being caved in and/or rocked over, I can also say that there are no lost mines in the Superstition Hills. You are correct about only after having used GPR. I CAN say that there are no OPEN mines in those hills.

There are two stories about lost valuable items in those hills:

1. The Lost Hank Brandt Mine. It is most definitely not in the Superstition Hills. I know where it is. It was found and quietly worked out in the 1950s (or thereabouts).

2. Lost Cave of Rifles. I got that story from (not named). He stated to me that his dad used to point out where the cave was from the highway while they drove past on several occasions. He also stated that a neighbor of his actually recovered a pistol from the cache. The ACTUAL story was further South, in a little place called Davies Canyon. On the Northwest side of a smal;l mountain there was a cave that was hidden that contained several cases of rifles from a deal gone bad with Pancho Villa around the turn of the century. (not named)'s story about his dad pointing the mountain out THERE didn't hold any water, because Davies Canyon is not visible from any paved road. I couldn't get down there, as motor vehicles are not allowed in (the canyon runs straight into Mexico and Border Patrol have put it off-limits to motor traffic). Because it is used so frequently as a route for illegals, you REALLY would not want to leave a vehicle unattended for ANY length of time. It would be broken into, stolen, or they would wait for you to return and carjack you.

Best-Mike

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA Mike (and everyone),
Gollum wrote

You did say EXTREMELY UNLIKELY, but that still leaves room (even though its' just a bit) for there to be unknown Indians living there.

I will repeat my earlier statement, somehow it is not being understood - I agree that the idea of a group of wild Apaches still living in the Superstitions and remaining un-detected all this time is (IN MY OPINION) an extremely unlikely proposition.


I do not propose that we have a group of Indios living in the Superstitions. Hence the earlier post, "A group or tribe of people trying to live and remain un-detected in North America I would say is extremely unlikely.

I would not say "IMPOSSIBLE" because "anything is possible" although some things are just extremely unlikely, as extremely unlikely as my having won last years Lotto and will only find out tomorrow. You are willing to say impossible, I leave open the possibility as EXTREMELY unlikely, about as extreme as it can be but that is as far as I will go. I do not present any theory of wild Indians of any kind still living in California, Arizona or anywhere in the southwest and find such theories to be unlikely in the extreme. I think there is a better chance of finding a dead Bigfoot inside of a crashed UFO than of a tribe of wild Indios living in the Superstitions, of EITHER state.
Oroblanco

 

[cactusjumper]

All,

There are no wild Apache living in the Superstition Mountains. On the other hand, who says they have to be living there to have a presence in the mountains?

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

Cactusjumper wrote

There are no wild Apache living in the Superstition Mountains. On the other hand, who says they have to be living there to have a presence in the mountains?

Actually the Apaches never did LIVE in the Superstitions, rather they used it as a "haunt" or base for striking raids around the region, so it would be odd for any group to reside there on any kind of permanent basis.
Oroblanco

 

[gollum]

Which Supers are you talking about? Mountains=Az, or Hills=Ca. Macpoetsgirl was talking about the California Superstitions. So was I.

Best-Mike

 

[Twisted Fork]

Ok WW Seeing how good you are about reading spanish treasure markers What does this mean( 4 + \ the last one is a u laying on it side with a long tail hanging down will wait for your answer Buck

Is this a real treasure or just a Sears treasure

 

[Salvor6]

Has anyone heard from Macpoetsgirl in the last year or is this just a hoax?

 

[gollum]

Salvor,

Macpoetsgirl is the daughter of a well known (and very imaginative) TNet Member who passed away a while back.

Best-Mike

 

[Salvor6]

Hey Mike, I got that from her first post. That was 4-1/2 years ago and she has not posted anything since then. Do you find that kind of strange?

 

[gollum]

Not especially. She never posted here until she posted about her dad's death. She's only posted a couple of times. She's not really into any of this.

Mike

 

[Connecticut Sam]

Has anybody found gold at the Superstitious mountains?

 

[treasurechest]

There's also a few bandit loot stories around the Superstition mountain in CA.

http://www.southwestblend.com/cowchippoetry/Vallecito.htm

another article on it starts half way down the page, this is the title "Hidden Treasures Near Vallecito Station" http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=20526&pst=1075365

etc. etc.

Directly east of there, and south of Glamis, there's a town(?) Called Obregon. There are a few mines out there, such as The American Girl, and Tumco is just north of there. I don't find it too hard to believe that their might be some type of gold deposits on Superstition mountain in CA.
If you have google earth, just look up Obregon CA 92283

 

[Connecticut Sam]

#133, Thanks for the information.

 

[gollum]

Danny,

The entire Northern half of Superstition Hills (thats what they are) are part of the Carrizo Naval Bombing Range. There is a lot of unexploded ordinance there. I have been all over the area, and there is no sign of any mineralization in those hills. Just West of there in the Fish Creek Mountains it is a different story. Fish Creek Mt. is the location of the Lost Hank Brandt Gold Mine (that was found in 1965).

The Southeast end of the hills is all VERY deep blowsand where ATVs and MotoX Bikes play.

Not much there but heat.

Mike

 

[Connecticut Sam]

And snakes.

 

[gollum]

as many times as I have been in there, I have yet to come across a snake. Jackrabbits and hawks yes, but no snakes so far.

Mike

 

[Connecticut Sam]

True, but did you found any gold? I live in Bridgeport Connecticut and have no plans to go out west looking for gold or silver mines. Good luck to all of you.

 

[Oroblanco]

Connecticut Danny wrote

I live in Bridgeport Connecticut and have no plans to go out west looking for gold or silver mines.

Hey amigo you don't have to travel far to find some gold!
"Just about any river or stream in the state of Connecticut does have some gold bearing gravel in its bed."
http://factoidz.com/finding-gold-in-connecticut/

If you have never seen the western US, it is worth taking the trip just to see it; in my opinion it is the most beautiful country there is and you will not regret the expense or time to travel. Every state has its own charms and beauty of course but the west truly can be described as "spectacular".
Oroblanco