Legend of the Stone Maps

[Oso]

Oso

North Dakota

Well yah I'd be very skeptical, Down right full of ****.
But that's the bet, Frank will have to post weather I solved the maps, no doubt, or I'm full of ****. The price I pay is now Frank will know how they work.

But I'm good with that, I'm way ahead like out the door!
Cause like I said, I could post one pic, And you all would have no doubt.

As a side note I offered the same Deal to Ron Feldman and he chose,I'm full of ****. At a total cost of nothing. But that was at the very beginning of my search about 5/6 years ago. They could have done the ground work in months by horse back. But I did it by boots. Took a little longer!

Now will I give Frank all that the maps contain, No
Just enough and a tad more.

We see how it plays out.

Wrmickel1

Sorry for the typo, I actually do know north from south and up from down.

Good luck in your search.

Oso

 

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[coazon de oro]

'bout time ya checked in on all this with some of that, Matt.
But the other side of the story begins before the exchange took place, and for other reasons as well IMO.

Howdy Wayne,

The other side of the story begins with the misunderstanding of Travis words, and a lot of fake news news news, IMO.

Homar

 

[deducer]

Howdy Wayne,

The other side of the story begins with the misunderstanding of Travis words, and a lot of fake news news news, IMO.

Homar

IMO, the modern aspect of the story begins with Abe Reid, in the early 1930's.

 

[Azquester]

As far as the ownership of the Peralta stones after they were sold...I just saw the Strange Inheritance show where some people had their "Lee Harvey Oswald" tomb stone stolen out from under them by a relative and found out on the internet their cousin stole it the sold it for 45k!

It cost them 6 figures to get it back! And that was after hiring a lawyer and suing.

So I would dare say finders keepers!

It takes money to repossess what's rightfully yours in any case.

 

[sdcfia]

IMO, the modern aspect of the story begins with Abe Reid, in the early 1930's.

Ah, the 1930s - the Gold Act and the resulting golden years of treasure lore (pardon the pun). The allegations here are that Reid discovered a piece of gold ore that came from a Peralta mine which had been hidden by the Apaches.

That's a possibility, and it could be conjectured that the Peraltas were working old Jesuit sites, I suppose - a convenient way of getting the Jesuits into the story. The filmmaker seems to have intimated that the SoJ is claiming legal rights to a supposed bullion cache in the Superstitions. This allegation has been made before by another partnership that also claimed to be in league with church officials. Apparently, nothing came from that effort a decade or two ago.

 

[wrmickel1]

As far as the ownership of the Peralta stones after they were sold...I just saw the Strange Inheritance show where some people had their "Lee Harvey Oswald" tomb stone stolen out from under them by a relative and found out on the internet their cousin stole it the sold it for 45k!

It cost them 6 figures to get it back! And that was after hiring a lawyer and suing.

So I would dare say finders keepers!

It takes money to repossess what's rightfully yours in any case.

Depends on where you live, Riley[emoji23]

I would of sent my two Hugh brothers over to talk some since into them, I'm sure the thieves would have called before the Time limit was up, Saying they put it back.

Babymick1

 

[deducer]

Disclaimer - Disclaimer. I don't know what's buried "out there". I am as interested to find out as the next guy.

But; as to the SOJ involvement....I think (IMO) you guys need to broaden your horizons.

I think Wayne (Somehiker) is closer in his thoughts of what the Order may be in search of. I think its more along the lines of historic than monetary. I mean, have you looked at the Vatican? It probably has more gold on public display than almost any other place on earth. Silver and precious gems too. They already have plenty of that from the old and new world.

Although it can probably be said ...there is no such thing as too much gold... there are things more valuable to the holder than gold and other precious metals. I think the SOJ interest is more along these lines. Even something as humble as a list of converts, daily entries of long past Brother's thoughts, perhaps relics of Saints and shires. Vestments and articles of faith. These things provide a record that the Order was there. Lived, labored and died in service. If you are looking for motivation, I'd look more to these type things. Of course, if gold bars come out of the ground first, I don't think anyone is going to throw those away. But I do think if that's the only items found it would be somewhat of a disappointment. Just my thoughts.

List of converts, marriage ledgers, and things of the sort, as far as the old school Jesuits (pre-explusion) were concerned, would have never been kept hidden, but in fact published and shouted out from the rooftops, as all these were used to justify their aggressive forays in the Pimeria Alta and could be used to entice the Spanish royalty to continue funding their enterprise. Even an esteemed scholar as Bancroft readily admitted that the real purpose of the Moqui expeditions was to get the government to justify the establishment of a presidio in the Gila Valley.

Along these veins, whatever records would be found within hidden caches, (and the Jesuits were excellent record-keepers) would be ledgers that were never meant to see the light of day except within the order and furthermore concern only their self-advancement and future autonomy from the mother church with which they had a contentious relationship from the start.

So with that in mind, I am quite curious as to how this partnership between RG and the Jesuits came to be formed. Is it for example, a partnership with the local parish in San Antonio? In Phoenix? If I may ask, what is it they are seeking from all this, keeping in mind that they have a long established denial of "Jesuit treasures"?

Are they about to reverse that position?

 

[nobodie]

I will no longer call it the Jesuit treasure. It will just be treasure. They're not getting it from me.

 

[Old]

Good morning Deducer,

I can only provide the broadest of answers to your questions. No, the contacts are not local to Texas or Phoenix.

As to "treasure" that's an open definition word. That's why I alluded to broadening horizons. I'm speculating......be mindful of that. But I don't think the SOJ is focused on bullion but rather, artifacts. If any marking found on bullion (if it exists) can be directly attributed to the SOJ it would fill a hole in the history rather than just adding to the treasury. Again, just my speculation but "I think" they would be far more trilled with finding artifacts of the Order, whether made of precious metals or not.

 

[audigger53]

"Murray Rothbard noted that libertarians "conclude that even though the property was originally stolen, that if the victim or his heirs cannot be found, and if the current possessor was not the actual criminal who stole the property, then title to that property belongs properly, justly, and ethically to its current possessor." Wiki


Not in Texas. You have to "Prove" that it is NOT stolen property as there were so many robberies in Texas. If you can not PROVE your case it belongs to the State of Texas. Nice guys.

 

[wrmickel1]

Old,

Mel Fisher found one of the biggest hoards
In History, With countless church Treasures and the SOJ was'nt jumping on that.

Babymick1

So I would believe Ryan through them in as a Holy Wood Embellishment nothing more!

 

[Tnmountains]

Old

There seems to be a post of mine missing,
What you sucking on( deleted by mods)

Babymick1

Anyone else feel frisky and want a free vacation?

 

[EarnieP]

I'm not Carnac the Magnificent, but saw that one coming.

Think there may be some issues there, but it is what it is,
or as those Jesuits might have said; "Est quod est" .......(or maybe; "Id est quid id est")

 

[azdave35]

I'm not Carnac the Magnificent, but saw that one coming.

Think there may be some issues there, but it is what it is,
or as those Jesuits might have said; "Est quod est" .......(or maybe; "Id est quid id est")

was the big kabosh thrown down on someone?

 

[EarnieP]

was the big kabosh thrown down on someone?

Don't know about the kabosh, but looks like at least one of those time out 'vacations'.
Darn, we never got that picture.

 

[Dirt1955]

You are correct Josh on all points except one. There is a reference point that also dates them. The R in the upper right corner. R = Rodgers

What year was "Rodgers Canyon" named?

 

[sgtfda]

Around this time period I would guess. They were processing ore there to reduce what had to be hauled out

 

[Azquester]

List of converts, marriage ledgers, and things of the sort, as far as the old school Jesuits (pre-explusion) were concerned, would have never been kept hidden, but in fact published and shouted out from the rooftops, as all these were used to justify their aggressive forays in the Pimeria Alta and could be used to entice the Spanish royalty to continue funding their enterprise. Even an esteemed scholar as Bancroft readily admitted that the real purpose of the Moqui expeditions was to get the government to justify the establishment of a presidio in the Gila Valley.

Along these veins, whatever records would be found within hidden caches, (and the Jesuits were excellent record-keepers) would be ledgers that were never meant to see the light of day except within the order and furthermore concern only their self-advancement and future autonomy from the mother church with which they had a contentious relationship from the start.

So with that in mind, I am quite curious as to how this partnership between RG and the Jesuits came to be formed. Is it for example, a partnership with the local parish in San Antonio? In Phoenix? If I may ask, what is it they are seeking from all this, keeping in mind that they have a long established denial of "Jesuit treasures"?

Are they about to reverse that position?

RG Never struck me as a very religious man so I would dare say it must be monetary in nature. Maybe artifact driven? Unless they seek the Holy Grail which sort of validates the contention it must be in the America's. The stones carry no such symbol so it must be a different map that contains it. Are we missing something big here?

 

[deducer]

Anyone know what is up with Joe? (Cactusjumper)

Haven't seen him post in some time. Hope all is well with him.

 

[Oroblanco]

Anyone know what is up with Joe? (Cactusjumper)

Haven't seen him post in some time. Hope all is well with him.

I have not heard anything either, starting to get worried. Anyone heard any word from Cactusjumper Joe?